Judicial review thread - day 2 (11 Viewers)

[WiganSkyBlue]

Sisu QC "ACL had been saddled with an unaffordable loan so ACL saddled the club with an unaffordable rent"

Wasn't the rent set at a time before SISU? Should have done due diligence diligently, I think.

 

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[Monners]

Both places are infinitely more attractive than Northampton. I've always fancied a foray into Europe.

Northampton is ok. But I take your point - we don't get too many tourists here

 

[Sub]

Both places are infinitely more attractive than Northampton. I've always fancied a foray into Europe.

only way we will get into europe

 

[_brian_]

Hello Les - now working as a court groupie, are we?

I think you're on to something!!!

ladespiser = les reids pa!!!

Oh my LOL!!!

 

[torchomatic]

Maybe so, but it the rent had to be pegged high in the first place because of the loan.

Wasn't the rent set at a time before SISU? Should have done due diligence diligently, I think.

 

[Rob S]

I think you're on to something!!!

ladespiser = les reids pa!!!

Oh my LOL!!!

By my reckoning there are about 15 people connected to the intarwebs in here right now so I'll do some digging

 

[fernandopartridge]

Maybe so, but it the rent had to be pegged high in the first place because of the loan.

Indeed. I said similar myself last year. I might claim IPR from SISU's QC

 

[Rob S]

First interruption from the judge. CCC QC a lot louder and sounds more like a QC should. Which means nothing to the result of course...

 

[Sub]

Coun QC "Sisu may believe they are God's gift to Coventry. Others are entitled to be sceptical."

 

[Deleted member 5849]

First interruption from the judge. CCC QC a lot louder and sounds more like a QC should. Which means nothing to the result of course...

Has he been taught to stand legs apart and ROAR?

 

[Rob S]

CCC QC refers to Sisu rent & licence fee strike creating situation in which ACL was under v. real threat.

Council took action to divert that threat.

 

[Rob S]

The council was where it was in Dec 12-Jan 13 and had to respond to bank pressure

 

[fernandopartridge]

Has he been taught to stand legs apart and ROAR?

Don't mention the Scottish play? I think in this context it's the bail out

 

[Rob S]

Small fraction of Sisu's arguments have any relevance to the legal arguments here

 

[Sub]

Simon Gilbert@TheSimonGilbert · 32s Coun QC says Sisu engineered situation where ACL and council investment was at risk through club's rent strike.

 

[martcov]

Sisu QC says council recognised the state aid risk but thought it was OK to become a bank to ACL. This was “ridiculous,” he says.

thats the winner line from SISU and the judge cant disagree with that.

SISU QC may say these things, but it doesn't mean it is true. Don't forget the judge will hear both sides and come to his own conclusion which may well mean disagreeing with SISU and their lawyer. I think you have an agenda and are bending the facts to push your agenda.

 

[shmmeee]

SISU QC may say these things, but it doesn't mean it is true. Don't forget the judge will hear both sides and come to his own conclusion which may well mean disagreeing with SISU and their lawyer. I think you have an agenda and are bending the facts to push your agenda.

Les Reid confirmed.

 

[Rob S]

Judge questioning which CCFC company was liable to ACL. CCC QC seems unsure. Lots of muttering at the back now. CCC QC gave wrong info. Sisu QC being questioned and giving correct info.

Oops for CCC QC. First mistake!

 

[Sub]

Council QC says it acted within its “wide parameters of discretion” with regard to state aid.
One of ACL’s income streams was its rent and licence fees “which Sisu bought into with eyes wide open.”
Sisu created a situation in which ACL and the council’s interest in ACL were under threat

 

[torchomatic]

Funny how his replacement has done a 180, isn't it?

Les Reid confirmed.

 

[fernandopartridge]

SISU QC may say these things, but it doesn't mean it is true. Don't forget the judge will hear both sides and come to his own conclusion which may well mean disagreeing with SISU and their lawyer. I think you have an agenda and are bending the facts to push your agenda.

Where? Was that not a quote from Court then?

 

[Sub]

Council QC says there are two brief answers to Sisu’s case. Council was not obliged to do a deal with Sisu. Council did explore deal with Sisu but it never came off.
In January 2013 council had to act.

 

[Sub]

Simon Gilbert@TheSimonGilbert · 4m Coun QC also blames Sisu for breakdown of deal for part of ACL in 2012 for failing to meet conditions of heads of terms agreement

 

[Rob S]

Les Reid confirmed.

Fletcher family grudge confirmed.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Council QC says there are two brief answers to Sisu’s case. Council was not obliged to do a deal with Sisu. Council did explore deal with Sisu but it never came off.
In January 2013 council had to act.

Why did it have to act if there was an offer on the table from YB. That is the question.

 

[shmmeee]

Fletcher family grudge confirmed.

Sorry, don't know your parents.

BTW I call it how I see it. Reid's a nutter.

 

[Sick Boy]

BTW I call it how I see it. Reid's a nutter.

Priceless.

 

[shmmeee]

Priceless.

I could go find quotes. Most of them will involve the phrase "Midlands journalist of the year" mind.

 

[Rob S]

Simon Gilbert@TheSimonGilbert · 4m Coun QC also blames Sisu for breakdown of deal for part of ACL in 2012 for failing to meet conditions of heads of terms agreement

Where are you in court?

 

[Sub]

Council QC points out ACL has kept up to date with the loan for the last 18 months.

 

[martcov]

Where? Was that not a quote from Court then?

Yes. Still take the opinion and interpretation with a pinch of salt. "ridiculous" was not a quote from the judge and he is not obliged to accept SISU's QC's opinion.

 

[Sub]

Where are you in court?

In coundon court
reading twitter

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

@TheSimonGilbert: Coun QC says there was no conflict with directors of ACL also working for council as officers were used to provide advise.

 

[Rob S]

Sorry, don't know your parents.

BTW I call it how I see it. Reid's a nutter.

Translation: My Dad hates him. (Unless he's praising his reporting on other issues.)

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

@TheSimonGilbert: Club QC accuses Sisu of ignoring fact ACL and charity are not the council and lumping everyone's views in together.