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[torchomatic]

He certainly proved me wrong yesterday. He commanded his box well, caught the ball brilliantly and stopped shots well. There was only one scary moment early in the game when a pretty tame shot squirmed under his body, luckily it was the wrong side of the post. Still think, long term, we need someone more experienced.

Good to see the young lad proving his critics wrong.

 

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[Grendel]

Good to see the young lad proving his critics wrong.

Agreed - now we now at least have a full back who defends. If we had persisted with Haynes we would definitely be relegated.

Worry is stokes goes back soon - unless Johnston gets fit soon that will give us a big problem.

 

[torchomatic]

I think Stokes gets better with each game. The experience of playing week in week out is improving his game.

 

[Grendel]

I think Stokes gets better with each game. The experience of playing week in week out is improving his game.

He's only on a 28 day loan isn't he? First priority for Mowbray is to sort a deal out somehow to keep him.

 

[rupert_bear]

Well I can only judge by what I see, the last two home games imo he has handled okay, made some good saves too. Has been criticised for the two free kicks, which I haven't seen again but lets be honest they were in very dangerous positions, could he have set the wall up better ? not sure ? I would love him to succeed and I think we can. What is a worry is what is backing him up so for that reason if we can bring in an older keeper for the rest of the season we should, someone like a Mark Swartzer in their late 30s early 40s any candidates ?, but that costs and I doubt Waggott will pay to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Still think, long term, we need someone more experienced.

Surely long term he becomes more experienced?

 

[Grendel]

Surely long term he becomes more experienced?

It would be very high risk to have him as the only keeper in the run in.

 

[rupert_bear]

He's only on a 28 day loan isn't he? First priority for Mowbray is to sort a deal out somehow to keep him.

Reading what you say there what a state Waggott has put our club in. Just what is this bloke thinking of. IMO Chris Stokes is good enough to be signed full time, on a contract and worked on, wouldn't be expensive.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It would be very high risk to have him as the only keeper in the run in.

Not sure I countthe run-in as long term, tbh!

 

[Grendel]

Reading what you say there what a state Waggott has put our club in. Just what is this bloke thinking of. IMO Chris Stokes is good enough to be signed full time, on a contract and worked on, wouldn't be expensive.

Agreed - it would be nonsense to let him go.

Full backs who actually defend are rare commodities at this club. Adams was another who couldn't defend for toffee.

I assume he can't be signed full time unless he cancels his contract but it would be stupid just to let him go.

 

[rupert_bear]

Loan players can sign after the transfer deadline I think but I suppose Forest Green will want some sort of recompense, wouldn't be thousands but as you know we don't buy players anymore. I think if we don't sign him someone else will. As for Haynes he may do okay playing in front of Stokes but not sure if we can experiment yet. We are certainly treading on egg shells squad wise in a number of departments.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You can't sign someone on a permanent contract now, unless they were unattached before the deadline.

 

[stupot07]

Loan players can sign after the transfer deadline I think but I suppose Forest Green will want some sort of recompense, wouldn't be thousands but as you know we don't buy players anymore. I think if we don't sign him someone else will. As for Haynes he may do okay playing in front of Stokes but not sure if we can experiment yet. We are certainly treading on egg shells squad wise in a number of departments.

There is a cut off day but not sure when it is.


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[rupert_bear]

The loan deadline date is March 26th, 5pm, if that's what you mean.

 

[torchomatic]

YEs, of course, however, i think we need the experience NOW. I would still only use Burge in Cup games.

Surely long term he becomes more experienced?

 

[steveecov]

Did your lad enjoy himself, Torch? Hope so. Hope he tells HIS mates....they really are our future.

He may be that good luck charm :guitar2: we've been missing. PUSB

 

[rupert_bear]

Our squad situation is pretty dire and our local media should be on Waggott's case constantly until the deadline has passed. As you know I am not Waggotts best fan but our survival is likely to be as much down to him as anybody and who he and how many he allows Mowbray to bring in, atleast 3 more outfield imo and then there's the goalie position. The local hacks need to nail him on this.

 

[torchomatic]

YEs, he had a great time he always does. No, he's not a good luck charm. We've done a few aways this season and last and that's the first win he's seen.

Funnily enough I was talking to the guy next to me and he was saying to my lad that even though CCFC are struggling at least he sees his heroes, not like his class mates who support Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and seriously...Real Madrid. They get to see their heroes on tele.

He loves it singing and shouting all the way through. He was even singing in the Tescos by the ground afterwards.

Did your lad enjoy himself, Torch? Hope so. Hope he tells HIS mates....they really are our future.

He may be that good luck charm :guitar2: we've been missing. PUSB

 

[dongonzalos]

I think if the lad hits 15 games he gets an automatic contract extension. It is worrying that we have a completely untested keeper on the bench. I presume the logic is that is Burge gets injured they do an emergency loan. The problem with getting a keeper ion loan now. The theory is they are back up to LB unless the keeper currently is third choice elsewhere I can't see the attraction for them to come.
It is a shame that our younger players have to develop now in such a critical make or break situation. Especially as a goalkeeper where mistakes generally automatically cost goals.

 

[sw88]

He certainly proved me wrong yesterday. He commanded his box well, caught the ball brilliantly and stopped shots well. There was only one scary moment early in the game when a pretty tame shot squirmed under his body, luckily it was the wrong side of the post. Still think, long term, we need someone more experienced.

That was a worrying moment wasnt it!! And his kicking needs I proving but toothed than that he's doing reasonably OK shot stopping, and catching / commandin his area wise anyway. Still feel more confident with an experienced head, but times is short so might have to make do with him for the time being and reassess who is available in the summer

 

[wingy]

I think if the lad hits 15 games he gets an automatic contract extension. It is worrying that we have a completely untested keeper on the bench. I presume the logic is that is Burge gets injured they do an emergency loan. The problem with getting a keeper ion loan now. The theory is they are back up to LB unless the keeper currently is third choice elsewhere I can't see the attraction for them to come.
It is a shame that our younger players have to develop now in such a critical make or break situation. Especially as a goalkeeper where mistakes generally automatically cost goals.

Yeah Don It shouldn't be happening In
such critical circumstances
We will find out If the lad sinks or swims! though hopefully without consequence to the Club
I have to say overall I am. disappointed with the output of Oggy over how many years Is It ?

 

[Sick Boy]

Oggy basically has a job for life at the club which sadly isn't based in his ability as a coach. Alright for some eh?

The club know that if they brought in someone better then they'd have to face the backlash from the fundamentalists. They were the ones who kept thorn in the job too long and essentially relegated us.

 

[Nick]

Oggy basically has a job for life at the club which sadly isn't based in his ability as a coach. Alright for some eh?

The club know that if they brought in someone better then they'd have to face the backlash from the fundamentalists. They were the ones who kept thorn in the job too long and essentially relegated us.

and invented Carl Baker day?

 

[Grendel]

Yeah Don It shouldn't be happening In
such critical circumstances
We will find out If the lad sinks or swims! though hopefully without consequence to the Club
I have to say overall I am. disappointed with the output of Oggy over how many years Is It ?

Burge isn't young. Westwood and Murphy were first team regulars at his age.

He can't be developing in his mid twenties still. Alsop is what, a year older?

People should be asking waggot why he wasn't retained for the whole season. He was a better keeper and it's another poor recruitment strategy by waggot - as has the whe goalkeeping strategy all season.

Worryingly I'm starting to sound like Rupert.

 

[dongonzalos]

Burge isn't young. Westwood and Murphy were first team regulars at his age.

He can't be developing in his mid twenties still. Alsop is what, a year older?

People should be asking waggot why he wasn't retained for the whole season. He was a better keeper and it's another poor recruitment strategy by waggot - as has the whe goalkeeping strategy all season.

Worryingly I'm starting to sound like Rupert.

There doesn't seem much difference in ability between Alsop and Burge. Allsop has the advantage of having for more experience. However despite having had far more experience he did not seem that much better. He seemed slightly more consistent.
Which is obvious if you have had far more experience.
It's Burge's time to get his experience now. Just a shame we are not safe first.

I would have tried to keep him on. However if Burge was playing like he is now. Allsop would be on the bench.
Was it not Allsops own decision to return?

 

[dongonzalos]

Oggy basically has a job for life at the club which sadly isn't based in his ability as a coach. Alright for some eh?

The club know that if they brought in someone better then they'd have to face the backlash from the fundamentalists. They were the ones who kept thorn in the job too long and essentially relegated us.

(The owners are fundamentalists, interesting)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Burge isn't young. Westwood and Murphy were first team regulars at his age.

He can't be developing in his mid twenties still. Alsop is what, a year older?

People should be asking waggot why he wasn't retained for the whole season. He was a better keeper and it's another poor recruitment strategy by waggot - as has the whe goalkeeping strategy all season.

Worryingly I'm starting to sound like Rupert.

You are indeed...

tbf keepers usually do develop later than outfield players, if for no other reason than you can't really bring one on for 20 minutes at the end of a game. So at, what, 22(?) no reason why he can't improve. Can't coach shot stopping, but the experience of reading a game, the confidence of commanding a defence comes with games.

And if not a regular unlike the two you mention, that's partly delusions of grandeur of the club thinking it's better than it is.

Do agree about the farce of having a keeper for half a season though. Burge may as well have done his growing pains at the beginning when there was less pressure. That said, who knows how much Worcester set him back, and how Pressley managed that.

 

[PVA]

Think he really should have saved their second goal yesterday.

 

[steveecov]

What is alarming is if he does get injured. Even when England select world cup squads, they take 3 goalies out of their 23. Our mini-season is longer than Englands' is.