Latest CCFC letter on planning application - Planning Meeting (17 Viewers)

[oldskyblue58]

think all the leaked stuff and the more public statements regarding ccfc refer to months ago and give no date. Which could mean October or before but could equally mean March or April

 

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[stupot07]

Nick, you need to understand that we are all giving opinions.
You seem to defend Sisu/CCFC at every opportunity and give them the benefit of the doubt.
While people like you effectively defend them and entertain their actions, nothing ever gets flushed out.
Anybody challenging them in an attempt to drive them for a plan on our future is nullified.

People discussing things on a forum isn't stopping anyone from challenging sisu for a plan.

No ones giving them the benefit of the doubt, they are grade a c-units, but nick and others are just pointing out it's not all sisu and others also have to be held account for their actions.

Whilst you accuse nick of defending them at every opportunity, the same can be said of you and wasps, who know full well the impact they are having on the club yet don't give a flying fuck. Yes, they only need to look after themselves, but they are being ruthless bastards and us as cov fans should be condemning that.

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[italiahorse]

Do you seriously think anyone would be interested? I can't imagine anyone other than a fan considering it.

As I have said. Wasps will acquire CCFC without actually having to do anything.
Won't be worth anything, maybe liquidated, but they will have all the facilities in place to just pick us up and run with us.
This will happen when Sisu have exhausted the legal process and will probably be better for us if they actually win it.

 

[Nick]

People discussing things on a forum isn't stopping anyone from challenging sisu for a plan.

No ones giving them the benefit of the doubt, they are grade a c-units, but nick and others are just pointing out it's not all sisu and others also have to be held account for their actions.

Whilst you accuse nick of defending them at every opportunity, the same can be said of you and wasps, who know full well the impact they are having on the club yet don't give a flying fuck. Yes, they only need to look after themselves, but they are being ruthless bastards and us as cov fans should be condemning that.

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Pretty much, instead of Italia (the same guy having a go at people for not supporting SISU) just telling everybody to get behind Wasps.

 

[Nick]

As I have said. Wasps will acquire CCFC without actually having to do anything.
Won't be worth anything, maybe liquidated, but they will have all the facilities in place to just pick us up and run with us.
This will happen when Sisu have exhausted the legal process and will probably be better for us if they actually win it.

Ah, so they are distressing us to get us cheap? Rings a bell, I seem to remember a lot of outrage when that was happening to a stadium management company. Imagine what would happen if people did that to our football team.

 

[Captain Dart]

Saying they want something for free is a statement.

I thought it was sarcasm.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Pay more than wasps paid for the lot - no veto, still paying £1.3 million rent, no dividends, no voting rights

Amazed they didn't when you think about it.

The shareholders both held the right to veto, and had equal rights. We managed to negotiate the rent down to £400k without owning a share (and no it wasn't agreed that it would go back up), so owning half of the company may have been even more beneficial to negotiations.

 

[Nick]

I thought it was sarcasm.

Really?

And who would be responsible for that - SISU or someone else who wont conveniently just let them have whatever they want for free?

Doesn't look like it.

Still, people lap that shit up...

The same as the rumours that a party in all of this used to put out, gobble gobble.

 

[italiahorse]

People discussing things on a forum isn't stopping anyone from challenging sisu for a plan.

No ones giving them the benefit of the doubt, they are grade a c-units, but nick and others are just pointing out it's not all sisu and others also have to be held account for their actions.

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Understand, but Nick and the others should at least take Sisu to task now and again.
You fall into the same trap. "Sisu are not blameless but ..........................."

 

[Nick]

Understand, but Nick and the others should at least take Sisu to task now and again.

How do you suggest? Making stuff up like others on forums? That is really going to get to them isn't it? Maybe we could make a GIF saying we hate them?

Should we all go and watch Wasps in support to show SISU we hate them?

 

[Nick]

You fall into the same trap. "Sisu are not blameless but ..........................."

BUT we aren't going to sit around making shit up and can actually see the bigger picture.

 

[Nick]

The room is starting to filling up ahead of planning committee getting underway.
Tim Fisher is here for CCFC and there’s around 20 people in the public seating area.
We’ve received some late representations.
In addition to the comments from the FA, CSF and CCFC covered in recent stories - the Rugby Football Union have also written to give their support to the application.
The council document handed around suggest these late representations are “not material planning considerations”.
We’ll be underway properly very shortly.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Tim Fisher is at the planning meeting right now...

 

[stupot07]

Understand, but Nick and the others should at least take Sisu to task now and again.
You fall into the same trap. "Sisu are not blameless but ..........................."

And you should take wasps, ccc, CSF, higgs and acl to task occasionally...

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[italiahorse]

No, people aren't giving opinions are they.

Saying they want something for free is a statement. So if somebody asks about it, surely the best way is to reply saying why they want something for free rather than just ask a different ranty question?
It is the same as when people say SISU are taking millions out of the club etc etc.
Making shit up doesn't pressure anybody does it? Deal with facts, it hurts more doesn't it?

FFS Most people can see that Sisu have never wanted to invest in the club.
If CCC and then 'unfortunately' Wasps had not stepped in Sisu would have acquired the 'white elephant stadium' for a pittance eventually and unencumbered. If it was free they would have taken it.
If they win the JR they 'will' take millions out the club. They have tied the club up with shares that will mean any eventual JR money will flow straight out to them.
They are not the whiter than white business you continue to defend by deflection.

 

[italiahorse]

And you should take wasps, ccc, CSF, higgs and acl to task occasionally...

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I rest my case !!

 

[Nick]

FFS Most people can see that Sisu have never wanted to invest in the club.
If CCC and then 'unfortunately' Wasps had not stepped in Sisu would have acquired the 'white elephant stadium' for a pittance eventually and unencumbered. If it was free they would have taken it.
If they win the JR they 'will' take millions out the club. They have tied the club up with shares that will mean any eventual JR money will flow straight out to them.
They are not the whiter than white business you continue to defend by deflection.

Do you think they will win the JR then? I don't.

 

[italiahorse]

Tim Fisher is at the planning meeting right now...

That's fukced it. Anybody but that arrogant individual.

 

[italiahorse]

Do you think they will win the JR then? I don't.

Yes. Otherwise why continue?
Eventually they will get the right judge.

 

[Nick]

I rest my case !!

Doesn't really prove anything does it? It means the blind hatred for SISU means everybody else is doing what they want and they get away with it.

How many of the unproven facts do you hear about CCC / Wasps / Higgs like the "Joy is taking millions off CCFC"?

 

[Nick]

Yes.

Really? Had better start getting angry at the council for losing all of that tax payers money then.

 

[Captain Dart]

And we are off.. nearly

 

[chiefdave]

FFS Why Fisher???

 

[chiefdave]

The council are on the ball "Coun Miks has asked which one is Mr Fisher."

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

FFS Why Fisher???

Because he is a lovely guy.

 

[Nick]

Conservative leader Coun John Blundell is also in the public gallery which is now standing room only. Almost 50 people watching from the back.
Head of planning Tracy Miller is continuing to go through the plans which include a kicking barn, gym and the conversion of football pitches to rugby pitches.
Coun McNicholas chips in to say he’s a Wasps season ticket holder asking if there’s a conflict of interest.
Solicitor says no need to declare as not relevant, and neither would being a CCFC holder.

So it is Tracy Miller doing a presentation on the plans? Surely it should be Wasps / CSF presenting it and explaining?

 

[Nick]

He has 3 minutes....

Tim Fisher now speaking. He’s being given a microphone.
Coun Brown says it will be a strict three minutes.
He thanks the chair for opportunity to speak. He says he is not opposing Wasps wanting to develop a training facility. It is only concerned on impact of Academy which could be seriously impaired at best, lost at worse.
It’s the jewel in the crown of Coventry City in the community.
Club was not involved in pre-planning discussions.

“There is no information or direction from council or sports foundation on how the critical academy 2 status can be retained”
Nine first team squad players are from the Academy. We have a track record of bringing Academy players through.
Mark Venus is also in the audience.

From economic perspective over £4.5m has been spent on the Academy.
He’s been cut off having run out of time.

Seems a bit pointless....

 

[Nick]

Wasps planning consultant now speaking - Mr Holmes.
He will be given 5 minutes.
He’s taking up Wasps’ plans as “world class” and says it will facilitate full relocation of Wasps to Coventry.

Course he will be given 5 minutes

 

[oldskyblue58]

No Nick it is the planning officers justifying their decision

 

[Nick]

No Nick it is the planning officers justifying their decision

See that now, as Wasps are speaking now

 

[Nick]

Mr Holmes is responding to objections from CCFC.
He points out agreement for CCFC runs out in June 2017. He says whether they continue at the centre “is a commercial decision” and not related to this application.
He says there will be no loss of a sports pitch, just a change in function and quality of pitch. He says application will result in better facilities and an increased number of facilities.
He says the community will have greater access to facilities than previously.

Mr Holmes says “Whether you are a rugby fan or not, having an elite rugby club is a massive social and economic benefit to the city”
Now he’s finished.

 

[chiefdave]

Wasps chap says "He says the community will have greater access to facilities than previously." Why then did their chief exec say the facilities would be specialist and not suitable for public use?

 

[italiahorse]

Ah, so they are distressing us to get us cheap? Rings a bell, I seem to remember a lot of outrage when that was happening to a stadium management company. Imagine what would happen if people did that to our football team.

Sisu have stressed themselves. Everybody else including Wasps are just taking CCFC at their word and don't actually have to do anything.

 

[Nick]

Wasps chap says "He says the community will have greater access to facilities than previously." Why then did their chief exec say the facilities would be specialist and not suitable for public use?

A lot of the space is very specialist. Our gym for instance would be of little use to the average member of the public. Of course the full gym facility available at the Higgs Centre next door is still there.

Things like the hydrotherapy unit are private to us, but by far the biggest space there is the kicking barn and we’re making that available to the community.

 

[chiefdave]

Not sure if its just the way the CT are covering it but this is seeming a bit of a box ticking exercise.