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Irish Sky Blue

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oucho said:
It saddens me that there are grown adults, intelligent-sounded people like yourself who are not morally outraged by SISU's forcible breaking of the lease through Phoenixing tactics, and who wouldn't celebrate when they were foiled in their objectives by the council whipping the rug from under them by selling to Wasps. It was so richly deserved, it was delicious.
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I can understand why you would be pleased that Sisu got their comeuppance but only if that hadn't harmed CCFC. The act of selling to Wasps has almost fatally damaged our club, has taken any hope away for a sustainable, successful future and I am sure is responsible for many fans walking away and giving up. That is also with out considering Wasps fans in the south- east. Just as Coventry City are a major part of people's lives in this area, so presumably would Wasps be to 4K or 5k people down there. A rich business man was allowed to wrench that club away from it's community and plonk it down 90 miles away in an area with which it has no affinity what so ever. There will be people there, like up here, that have followed their club for 40, 50, 60 years and now , on a rich man's whim , have lost it. Surely clubs only really mean anything at all if they stay rooted in their own communities?Shame on the Rugby Football Union for allowing this to happen,for disregarding Wasps fans (sporting body disregards fans- where have we heard that before) and shame on them for disregarding the history and heritage of this cities own first class rugby team, sitting in the doldrums and whose task to win hearts, minds and bums on seats has been made so much harder by the arrival of the franchise. Despite council assurances I think both Cov and City have been very badly damaged by the arrival of Wasps. One in the eye for Sisu, good. But not at any cost.
 
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martcov

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Grendel said:
The real point is though a billionaire owner would look at a club who own an 11,000 stadium before looking at a club that rents 23 days a year and gets no commercial benefits whatsoever.
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Yes, but at least they wouldn't have the Problem of getting rid of the League 2 stadium before investing in a 32000 stadium.
 
Irish Sky Blue

Irish Sky Blue

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Yeah but any prospective owner can look at the years before 2005 and see crowds of 13k at Highfield Road.

Let's be honest, the high crowds was a new stadium bounce. Our last few averages in Highfield Road were woeful
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I have always felt like the Ricoh was waiting to take off as a football ground. The stadium is great, it just needed success on the pitch to turn it a really special place for CCFC. On a couple of occasions, the Blackburn cup replay, the return to the Ricoh match against Gillingham, the place was bouncing and the potential for a great home for CCFC could be seen. That was before Wasps. (Having said that, the atmosphere at some games last season wasn't bad for what was effectively a two sided ground).
 
Captain Dart

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rupert_bear

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Grendel said:
A long term deal would be massively skewed in wasps favour. Who would ever purchase a football club that if successful would give commercial earnings to an inferior landlord.

The only options are;

Another 2+2 extension
An agreement after next season to play short term at the butts

In the second scenario a site for a new ground would also have to be part of it.

People need to accept a long term deal at the Ricoh would mean no other owners with serious intent will come along.
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You live in la la land pal. I doubt the FL would accept another 2+2 deal based on the broken assurances Fisher gave to them last time, in my opinion hard and fast plans will have to be got and the project actually underway for the league to okay it, other members would definitely crib if they gave us extra favours. Also I don't go along with this endless
guff trotted out by yourself and others on here that we are
permenantly shafted because Wasps own the Ricoh. The situation isn't ideal admittedly but with
the right owners there will be options to buy into the stadium I'm sure. If that happened and the football club owned let's say 25% of it that would be 25% more than it ever has owned.
 
Calista

Calista

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Grendel said:
I don't think any organisation would have paid anything for the higgs share in isolation. Also at the time Gidney felt the club were a huge inconvenience and a himderence to his madcap scheme of rivalling the NEC
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Not even the organisation (CCFC) for which a stake in the stadium business was strategically crucial, which had relinquished that stake, and whose owners knew the agreed terms of buying back in before they took over?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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rupert_bear said:
You live in la la land pal. I doubt the FL would accept another 2+2 deal based on the broken assurances Fisher gave to them last time, in my opinion hard and fast plans will have to be got and the project actually underway for the league to okay it, other members would definitely crib if they gave us extra favours. Also I don't go along with this endless
guff trotted out by yourself and others on here that we are
permenantly shafted because Wasps own the Ricoh. The situation isn't ideal admittedly but with
the right owners there will be options to buy into the stadium I'm sure. If that happened and the football club owned let's say 25% of it that would be 25% more than it ever has owned.
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I think they'd be delighted that they don't have to worry about getting embroiled in our situation for another couple of years at least.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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The Gentleman said:
They won't charge us £2million a year. You have no facts to back this up. I don't the other way
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oucho said:
Dave you seem like a nice and smart bloke unlike many of those on here but i do want to take you doen the pub and explain it all to you.
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Explain away. When you look at what is being said on here and elsewhere the suggestion is we abandon any thought of a ground at BPA, CCC have stated there are no other sites available in the city and the local MPs are asking the FL to refuse any application by the club to play outside the city.
In that situation the club has absolutely no position to negotiate on. We're told CCFC make very little contribution to ACL so why would they care if we walk away, we've even been told they'd be better off if we did as other events on match days would generate more.
I can't see anything that would stop Wasps asking for any amount they wanted as rent and the club having no choice other than to accept.
Sky Blue Kid said:
Wrong! SISU put CCFC into Administration
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And what triggered that? ACL made an application to the High Court for the club to be placed into administration. That doesn't happen immediately so SISU placed the club into administration after ACL had made their application in order that they get their choice of administrator.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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I thought that CCC stated that there wasn't any 65 acre sites in the city rather than any site at all? If the BPA is to be believed it would seem our owners have reduced their expectations a tad. Has anyone from the club approached CCC asking for help looking for a smaller site?
 
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The Gentleman

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chiefdave said:
Explain away. When you look at what is being said on here and elsewhere the suggestion is we abandon any thought of a ground at BPA, CCC have stated there are no other sites available in the city and the local MPs are asking the FL to refuse any application by the club to play outside the city.
In that situation the club has absolutely no position to negotiate on. We're told CCFC make very little contribution to ACL so why would they care if we walk away, we've even been told they'd be better off if we did as other events on match days would generate more.
I can't see anything that would stop Wasps asking for any amount they wanted as rent and the club having no choice other than to accept.

And what triggered that? ACL made an application to the High Court for the club to be placed into administration. That doesn't happen immediately so SISU placed the club into administration after ACL had made their application in order that they get their choice of administrator.
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I see that glass is still half empty. The FL haven't said we cannot play outside Coventry so at the current stage we are at, we have the ability to negotiate. Forget talking around the houses which you seem to love to do, we are in a position to negotiate. The general consensus on here is that people would love a shiny new stadium near the city, but also the sensible ones also realise that we need somewhere to play. What a lot of people on here also know is that this is Fisher and Sisu we are talking about and in their whole time here have not given us a single shred on anything concrete to suggest that they will build a stadium or could sustain playing away from the Ricoh. Hence why CCFC fans would rather have somewhere to play, instead of nowhere to play.

But we are and will continue to go round in circles, so lets make it interesting. You've already proved you're of a Nick type with regard to questions so I simply cannot be arsed asking anymore. What I will put up instead is a wager. If we do end up signing a rent deal at the Ricoh, if it is £2miilion a year or more I will give £100 to a charity of your choice. If it is any less than £2million a year then you will give £100 to one of my choosing.

Lets see if you have any bollocks and believe what you actually type.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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The Gentleman said:
The FL haven't said we cannot play outside Coventry so at the current stage we are at, we have the ability to negotiate.
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Indeed they haven't but it isn't the current situation being talked about. Its a hypothetical future scenario that is the preferred route for some not the current situation.

Let me try and make the point as simple as possible for you:
It is being suggested that the club abandons all plans to play at any ground other than the Ricoh, be that a new ground or groundshare in or out of the city.
It is being suggested that should the club attempt to set foot over the city boundary the FL do not sanction it.
It has been repeatedly stated that the income generated for Wasps by having the club at the Ricoh is at best insignificant, at worst detrimental.

On that basis what leverage does the club have in any negotiations? If Wasps say we want £250K, 500K, 1m or 10m what happens if the club says no? Does that automatically mean the rent will be millions, of course not, although I would be surprised, given what has happened over this season and last with ancillary matchday costs, if any offer made by Wasps does not see an increase in the rent over the current agreement.

When you say 'at the current stage we are at, we have the ability to negotiate' you are confirming what I have been saying. While there is even a slight potential of other options we have some leverage, not withstanding the notion that our presence is detrimental, remove all of those options and we have none.
 
Rusty Trombone

Rusty Trombone

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skybluetony176 said:
I thought that CCC stated that there wasn't any 65 acre sites in the city rather than any site at all? If the BPA is to be believed it would seem our owners have reduced their expectations a tad. Has anyone from the club approached CCC asking for help looking for a smaller site?
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What about the land behind the John White Centre, looks big enough for a stadium, and could access from the A46. Presumably Council owned.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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rupert_bear said:
You live in la la land pal. I doubt the FL would accept another 2+2 deal based on the broken assurances Fisher gave to them last time, in my opinion hard and fast plans will have to be got and the project actually underway for the league to okay it, other members would definitely crib if they gave us extra favours. Also I don't go along with this endless
guff trotted out by yourself and others on here that we are
permenantly shafted because Wasps own the Ricoh. The situation isn't ideal admittedly but with
the right owners there will be options to buy into the stadium I'm sure. If that happened and the football club owned let's say 25% of it that would be 25% more than it ever has owned.
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They would accept a 1 year deal if it meant CCFC could fulfill its fixtures. It's not going to punish the club for not signing a long term deal, completely illogical.
 
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The Gentleman

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chiefdave said:
Indeed they haven't but it isn't the current situation being talked about. Its a hypothetical future scenario that is the preferred route for some not the current situation.

Let me try and make the point as simple as possible for you:
It is being suggested that the club abandons all plans to play at any ground other than the Ricoh, be that a new ground or groundshare in or out of the city.
It is being suggested that should the club attempt to set foot over the city boundary the FL do not sanction it.
It has been repeatedly stated that the income generated for Wasps by having the club at the Ricoh is at best insignificant, at worst detrimental.

On that basis what leverage does the club have in any negotiations? If Wasps say we want £250K, 500K, 1m or 10m what happens if the club says no? Does that automatically mean the rent will be millions, of course not, although I would be surprised, given what has happened over this season and last with ancillary matchday costs, if any offer made by Wasps does not see an increase in the rent over the current agreement.

When you say 'at the current stage we are at, we have the ability to negotiate' you are confirming what I have been saying. While there is even a slight potential of other options we have some leverage, not withstanding the notion that our presence is detrimental, remove all of those options and we have none.
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Yes the current situation is being talked about, doesn't mean that it will be so. I said you were being ridiculous about making what I thought was a stupid comment. You obviously got the hump because you're such a glass half empty person. You see, I don't buy the line that we will be forced not to step foot outside the city and on that basis Wasps can charge us what they want because if they charged us something silly like you suggest and we went bump, would all of the parties involved in that decision be open to yet further court cases from our owners, because they were forced into it?

But after my last post, you obviously haven't got the bollocks to put your money where your mouth so often is. Why make a comment if you're not prepared to back it up Dave?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Rusty Trombone said:
Used to have football pitches marked out and goals, but nothing there at the moment. Not used for anything as far as I'm aware.
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Sounds ideal. Like you said, could have access onto the A46. I wonder if anyone from the club has made enquiries about it? If not for a stadium, training facilities and the academy looks possible.
 
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Captain Dart

Captain Dart

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Now SISU have to come up with some money and negotiate in good faith with the owners. :angelic:
 
Sky Blue Kid

Sky Blue Kid

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The grounds behind Binley WMC. They were CCC owned and being above the "Pit" always had fantastic drainage. Would make an ideal plot for a Stadium but as I remember it, wouldn't be any good for access to or from. Railway lines more or less circumnavigate the pitches.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Sky Blue Kid said:
The grounds behind Binley WMC. They were CCC owned and being above the "Pit" always had fantastic drainage. Would make an ideal plot for a Stadium but as I remember it, wouldn't be any good for access to or from. Railway lines more or less circumnavigate the pitches.
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Right by the A46 though isn't it? An access road potentially could be pretty simple.
 
Sky Blue Kid

Sky Blue Kid

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skybluetony176 said:
Right by the A46 though isn't it? An access road potentially could be pretty simple.
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I think it would be a major operation to build a bridge/bridges because the railway lines are lower than ground level. Mind you, I haven't been that side of Coventry for over 35+ years so don't know the layout as it is today. ;)
 
Captain Dart

Captain Dart

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One thing is certain the nimby force in Willenhall is much weaker than in Earlsdon. :rolleyes:
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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There are two pitches on the Binley Rec I agree with SBK mind, the access is awkward and with it being an out of town site, it would need some parking (although perhaps that could be on the site south of the railway line). Either way, it'd be a massive cost to develop, building bridges over the WCML would be expensive especially if it meant having to close the line for periods.
 
olderskyblue

olderskyblue

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fernandopartridge said:
There are two pitches on the Binley Rec I agree with SBK mind, the access is awkward and with it being an out of town site, it would need some parking (although perhaps that could be on the site south of the railway line). Either way, it'd be a massive cost to develop, building bridges over the WCML would be expensive especially if it meant having to close the line for periods.
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They could build a tunnel like at Tollbar. It wouldn't take long.. ;)
 
Sky Blue Kid

Sky Blue Kid

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fernandopartridge said:
There are two pitches on the Binley Rec I agree with SBK mind, the access is awkward and with it being an out of town site, it would need some parking (although perhaps that could be on the site south of the railway line). Either way, it'd be a massive cost to develop, building bridges over the WCML would be expensive especially if it meant having to close the line for periods.
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There used to be a hell of a walk from changing rooms to the pitches at the far end of the "Rec" and I would say big enough to build a 25k stadium, but like we've been saying, lots of restrictions hinder it ;)
 
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