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wingy · Jun 23, 2013

luwalla said:
By the same reasoning then.. A dozen or so people turning up for their protests does not represent their membership either ?

Sorry that's a terrible argument.

All member concerns should be listened too.. And when it's multiple members, airing pretty much the same concerns, then I thinks it's clear you have a potential issue...

Yeah I think they have been tame ,but I don't come on here bleating about it ,as I recognise you can never tailor such a body to E-fit into everybody's mindset ,so I cut them some slack and assume that a unified stance will save the Club from the Actions of the Owners. These people @ the Trust are just like you or I and are acting out of concern, devoting shed loads of time at cost to themselves .They are just Ordinary people and approachable ,I just wonder if anyone on this thread has actually made a genuine attempt to express any concern to the Trust personally before sounding off taking cheap shots in here.

jesus-wept · Jun 23, 2013

My argument with the Trust is they meet mid-week, in my opinion it should be a matchday somewhere near to or even at the Ricoh about 12/1 o'clock Gives out of town supporters a chance to go. Monday night is prohibitive in my opinion and is proved by the small attendences and small attendences gives the psgm1s of the world the ammunition to point fingers. But the Trust won't change the day because it suits one particular individual.

Nick · Jun 23, 2013

Why is it ok for the trust to shout sisu out and get personal about Tim Fisher because they don't agree with how the club is run but trust members can't say they don't agree with how the trust are doing things?

Colin1883 · Jun 23, 2013

By actively backing and promoting nopm, have the trust given sisu/otium a way of deflecting responsibility for low attendances next season if we groundshare? ... Can Sisu/ otium say the sbt have have actively dissuaded their 2000 members from attending 'home games'?

wingy · Jun 23, 2013

Nick said:
Why is it ok for the trust to shout sisu out and get personal about Tim Fisher because they don't agree with how the club is run but trust members can't say they don't agree with how the trust are doing things?

I don't have any issue with anyone wishing to do any of that ,but am quizzicle as to why they wish to do it on here ,at this juncture.

TBH Nick this Site has been a little over protective of a guy who Is Set on the destruction of relationships with the support ,there has been plenty taken down.

So for instance I could ask is this site independent of the Club in every way? Have the club asked to take down anything on here? Is you're roll on here to have like "Editorial Input ".

As its your site should you post your opinion as "Nick".

wingy · Jun 23, 2013

Colin1883 said:
By actively backing and promoting nopm, have the trust given sisu/otium a way of deflecting responsibility for low attendances next season if we groundshare? ... Can Sisu/ otium say the sbt have have actively dissuaded their 2000 members from attending 'home games'?

Not really Colin If you wish to follow timelines ,the evidence is in every Poll /Petition that the support is decimated due to the Stance/Attitude and Disregard of Fan opinion from the Owners.

Colin1883 · Jun 23, 2013

wingy said:
Not really Colin If you wish to follow timelines ,the evidence is in every Poll /Petition that the support is decimated due to the Stance/Attitude and Disregard of Fan opinion from the Owners.

Sisu don't need much of excuse to do anything, just cast a bit if doubt that's it's not all their fault...

Nick · Jun 23, 2013

wingy said:
I don't have any issue with anyone wishing to do any of that ,but am quizzicle as to why they wish to do it on here ,at this juncture.

TBH Nick this Site has been a little over protective of a guy who Is Set on the destruction of relationships with the support ,there has been plenty taken down.

So for instance I could ask is this site independent of the Club in every way? Have the club asked to take down anything on here? Is you're roll on here to have like "Editorial Input ".

As its your site should you post your opinion as "Nick".

Surely they do it on here as its a ccfc forum?

I do post my opinion as Nick?

This site is independent of everybody, I pay for it myself.

Things are always being requested to be taken down from all sides, most of it is deleted not because anybody asks, but because it is usually nasty, hateful stuff.

luwalla · Jun 23, 2013

wingy said:
Yeah I think they have been tame ,but I don't come on here bleating about it ....I just wonder if anyone on this thread has actually made a genuine attempt to express any concern to the Trust personally before sounding off taking cheap shots in here.

Wingy , the only thing I would say to these two points is firstly.. This is a forum, and a Coventry city forum at that, coming on here to "bleat" is its bread & butter! And secondly, as people in this thread have already pointed out numerous times, yes emails have been sent to the trust pointing out those members concerns.. Some, like nick, have even gone further & offered additional help, and those emails and offers have either been knocked back, or in other cases just not been replied to at all.. Hence I guess why some have felt the need to try and make themself heard by posting on here. come on, we know the trust guys read this forum.. Post on the forum.. And used the forum to try and increase its membership.. So It's a legitimate place to air concerns. What other choice do they have if they can get no response from the trust directly.. And when they feel that the organisation, that claims to represent them, is making statements they don't agree with ?

I'm sure .. In fact Im positive, the guys running the trust have the best interest of the club at heart... But the trust is not just about the guys running it and their own views & decisions. Maybe that's got lost along the way recently, that's all we are saying

Chinny_Hill · Jun 23, 2013

Nick said:
Surely they do it on here as its a ccfc forum?

I do post my opinion as Nick?

This site is independent of everybody, I pay for it myself.

Things are always being requested to be taken down from all sides, most of it is deleted not because anybody asks, but because it is usually nasty, hateful stuff.

I had the same thoughts regarding you posting your opinion. Given there are more members of this site than the trust and then you (like it or not) should have a more considered view than most. Also in your original post you asked who "X" was, I dont think anyone answered you on that point, so just to be clear the intention from the trust would be for you to replace "X" with your name. Again I am not a "trust person" just trying to help.

Nick · Jun 23, 2013

Chinny_Hill said:
I had the same thoughts regarding you posting your opinion. Given there are more members of this site than the trust and then you (like it or not) should have a more considered view than most. Also in your original post you asked who "X" was, I dont think anyone answered you on that point, so just to be clear the intention from the trust would be for you to replace "X" with your name. Again I am not a "trust person" just trying to help.

Why can't I have an opinion?

lordsummerisle · Jun 23, 2013

Chinny_Hill said:
I had the same thoughts regarding you posting your opinion. Given there are more members of this site than the trust and then you (like it or not) should have a more considered view than most. Also in your original post you asked who "X" was, I dont think anyone answered you on that point, so just to be clear the intention from the trust would be for you to replace "X" with your name. Again I am not a "trust person" just trying to help.

By a "more considered view", you mean agreeing with everything that the Trust does without a word of criticism then?

"Considered" views hardly the raison d'etre of most on here is it?

Chinny_Hill · Jun 23, 2013

lordsummerisle said:
By a "more considered view", you mean agreeing with everything that the Trust does without a word of criticism then?

"Considered" views hardly the raison d'etre of most on here is it?

Oh no its the CCFC fan equivalent of Bob Monkhouse. Whatever you say Bob, whatever you say

Chinny_Hill · Jun 23, 2013

Nick said:
Why can't I have an opinion?

This for me and the good lords response encapsulates where we fall down. There are only extreme views, I am not saying you can't have an opinion (and if I did I would be the moron that Wozey called me) and considered view does not mean blindly agree with the trust. I just feel some of us are too scathing too quickly.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 23, 2013

Nick's is an extreme view?

That he wants the Trust to be more moderate?

Is moderate the new extreme?

lordsummerisle · Jun 23, 2013

Chinny_Hill said:
Oh no its the CCFC fan equivalent of Bob Monkhouse. Whatever you say Bob, whatever you say

They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian.

They're not laughing now.

wingy · Jun 23, 2013

Nick said:
Surely they do it on here as its a ccfc forum?

I do post my opinion as Nick?

This site is independent of everybody, I pay for it myself.

Things are always being requested to be taken down from all sides, most of it is deleted not because anybody asks, but because it is usually nasty, hateful stuff.

Thanks for the answer Nick ,it was as I expected and asked in the right tone in "The right place".
The point I've been trying to make is that a lot of the Trust stuff is just disparaging ,maybe i'm too defensive of it . But certainly feel stronger together with it than Not. Maybe there "Is" a communication issue?

Nick · Jun 23, 2013

Chinny_Hill said:
This for me and the good lords response encapsulates where we fall down. There are only extreme views, I am not saying you can't have an opinion (and if I did I would be the moron that Wozey called me) and considered view does not mean blindly agree with the trust. I just feel some of us are too scathing too quickly.

My view is extreme? Is it not extreme to go all the way to London to post a letter and protest to an empty office?

RegTheDonk · Jun 23, 2013

Colin1883 said:
By actively backing and promoting nopm, have the trust given sisu/otium a way of deflecting responsibility for low attendances next season if we groundshare? ... Can Sisu/ otium say the sbt have have actively dissuaded their 2000 members from attending 'home games'?

If they have low gates Colin, it matters not what they say. Fans have stayed away whatever the reason. If the gates are high that would be a worry.

Paxman II · Jun 23, 2013

Hold on a mo. It's a forum we all have opinions and express them freely. If Nick were to appear on here anonymously I would be disappointed.
He operates the forum as a courtesy which I'm grateful for.

Moff · Jun 23, 2013

Nick said:
My view is extreme? Is it not extreme to go all the way to London to post a letter and protest to an empty office?

Nick you are extreme.

I mean it is pretty extreme to run a site for free, in your own time, for depressed Coventry fans to bitch at each other and then to find some label you for the temerity of having your own opinion....well thats extreme!

I for one, and many others, thank you for your time and effort without which we wouldnt be able to fight like children :laugh:

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 23, 2013

Me too pax man

wingy · Jun 23, 2013

Who said Nick was Extreme??

Moff · Jun 23, 2013

wingy said:
Who said Nick was Extreme??

Chinny Hill

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 23, 2013

My god there is an awfull lot of anger on here today I wonder if anybody can tell me why? Clue this happens once a year and the Victorians gave some people a tag that we still use today :thinking about:

Chinny_Hill · Jun 23, 2013

Moff said:
Chinny Hill

No I didn't.

Although ironically its exactly this sort of reponse I am talking about Whose turn is it to take this out of context?

wingy · Jun 23, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
My god there is an awfull lot of anger on here today I wonder if anybody can tell me why? Clue this happens once a year and the Victorians gave some people a tag that we still use today :thinking about:

Expand Old Chap??

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 23, 2013

wingy said:
Expand Old Chap??

Wingy you're a clever guy what day is today?

Steve.B50 · Jun 23, 2013

psgm1 said:
First it was open honest and transparent - that soon disappeared when it was challenged!

Then it was we will sit down with the owners regardless - which P'd off the majority of the membership!

Then this incoherent waffle - No wonder Linnell (sorry pinnochio - as he is clearly sisu's puppet) loves these people so much!

This is why they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the reins of the club!

I thought they were ultra democratic? What has changed?

Precisely as predicted they fall apart! You have people like John Fletcher saying their board treat everyone with utter respect, then when questioned he pretends that the insults weren't from a board member - which is odd considering there website contains only one member with the name Steve, and Steve.B50 has made announcements on behalf of the trust.

Indeed Steve said he wanted to meet in private (what is it he cannot say in public?

It's as if they feel compelled to adopt as their own every single campaign, on the basis that if they claim them as theirs, then everyone will join the trust! Trouble is these campaigns are diametrically opposed, or at the very least aren't fully adopted by every member. But hey the clique are only democratic when it suits them. Clearly there is wouldn't call him a bully, but certainly let's just say a domineering presence on their inconceivably large board, which as can be seen from this drivel taking over the group. Again if their membership fully support this then fine, but looking fromn the comments, they clearly do not!

Think it will not belong now before the group finally collapses in on itself.

And then you have sisu's pawn Pinnochio holding court again on this forum trying to garner support and shirk off the cloak that he is a sisu puppet. ( I must really be getting to that sycophant - all of a sudden everyone on this forum is brilliant - except one person wonder who that can be?) Thought he said he treats everyone with respect? Clearly not!

Problem is these idiots porfess they are the voice of coventry - and this they most definitely are not

RIP SBT

Get your facts right, never said I wanted to meet in private.

Samo · Jun 23, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Wingy you're a clever guy what day is today?

Full Moon. 'Lunatic'

Nick · Jun 23, 2013

In all fairness to Steve, he is the only reason I signed up to the trust.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 23, 2013

Samo said:
Full Moon. 'Lunatic'

:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands:Yes its Supermoon Sunday Well done

ajsccfc · Jun 23, 2013

The moon was really illuminating when I caught it late last night/this morning, although all those orange street lights have been replaced with brighter white ones, so I'm not sure who gets the credit - moon or council?

Steve.B50 · Jun 23, 2013

psgm1 said:
From Oct 15th 2012 meeting minutes:

"It was agreed that SB would purchase a tenor drum with the intention of getting the Sky Blue Trust logo printed on it for a volunteer member to play on behalf of the Trust at future CCFC matches at the Ricoh."

This is for real? No wonder the only people who are even attempting to defend these clowns on this forum are people who claim they aren't members! What sort of moron supports such a group, yet wouldn't pay a pound to join?

Then you have a founder member of the clique making an attack, which could oh so easily be pointed at every single group member who posts on here with the obligatory "What have you done?" rubbish.

And yet these people not only want, but because Hoff/JE or P4 have apparently come out and said they would give 20% of the club so they expect it will be them! This should Never be allowede to happen. Why are the clique so opposed to a share issue for all fans? Could it be that it would make them officially defunct? But this would be great news for the club, it would guarantee fans are part of the club - which is their stated aim. I simply do not understand how giving away a part of the club to these people would benefit the fans. They do after all only represent at best 10% of the fanbase! So all it would do is give 20% of the club to 10% - and for free!

No wonder their top heavy group are so desperate to silence any criticism! However tonight has shown themselves up for what they really are. And isn't it noticeable that it has alienated the very people it claims to represent!

and all they have to defend them is the moron LAST. And with friends like that - who needs enemies! Even Grendel isn't impressed !

No wonder they were so desperate to try and silence me!

Your a very sad individual, you do not know al the facts.

letsallsingtogether · Jun 23, 2013

No he won't reply to you Steve he wants answers? accuses and calls everyone who is in the trust Morons he doesn't know them personally.

He has sent personnel messages to other posters on here (threats) I have seen them he gets his mate to threaten posters like simple Simon then blames every one else.

I do not believe for one minute that the trust can get every thing right, but I have to defend them for trying and would defend anyone, Lets all knock everyone else lets have a vote on what everyone wants, lets put it live on the internet. If people were really that bothered they would attend.
I work shifts I have booked off time to attend different functions because it is close to my heart, I have made suggestions some ok some shit I am very passionate and fight for what I believe, is that not my right.

We will get the same old questions does being a Trust member make you better does attending closed offices make any sense does sending e-mails really work does talking to Sisu, ACL or anyone else really work fuck knows but like I said before I am not going to sit back and let them ruin my club anymore without trying.

I don,t really care who organises anything I will attend if I can,whether it is the Trust, PGSM, or even sky blue sam so stop knocking and organise. I will be right behind you

Steve.B50 said:
Get your facts right,

never said I wanted to meet in private.

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