Legal action 2 (3 Viewers)

[Nick]

Probably because Wasps have no claim over the AEHC at present as they do The Ricoh.

They are making statements like they do.

 

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[stupot07]

The academy is very important however the future of the club is also just as important

There will always be chance for another deal, that was proved by going to six fields and coming back - we have a deal at the Ricoh until 2018, we have been served noticed and only has one year left. Once the academy has gone and the infrastructure removed, thats not coming back.

You're barking up thr wrong tree here.

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[dongonzalos]

There will always be chance for another deal, that was proved by going to six fields and coming back - we have a deal at the Ricoh until 2018, we have been served noticed and only has one year left. Once the academy has gone and the infrastructure removed, thats not coming back.

You're barking up thr wrong tree here.

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I am not barking up the wrong tree I want the club to negotiate on a dual front with promise of ditching legal action if an agreement can be found just as important as each other.

If what the likes of some on here believe, I think even maybe you? Wasps don't want us and see us as competition so why do you suddenly now believe there will always be a deal to be had?

 

[dongonzalos]

A genuine question on legals (excuse my ignorance)
If we were under new ownership would that leave SISU free to continue the legals independently and the club free to rebuild relationships without those legals being used as a bargaining tool against it?

Would be nice as well if SIDU didn't think owning the club somehow helps with this litigation.
Maybe still having ownership of the club would impact somewhat of the anount of compensation you can apply for? I have no idea just a guess.

 

[stupot07]

I am not barking up the wrong tree I want the club to negotiate on a dual front with promise of ditching legal action if an agreement can be found just as important as each other.

If what the likes of some on here believe, I think even maybe you? Wasps don't want us and see us as competition so why do you suddenly now believe there will always be a deal to be had?

They arent going to drop legal action. Even if 2k people 100% agree. To me this is just another "look sisu wont drop legal action so its there fault wasps won't talk to them"

Its bollocks. And just deflecting from wasps and CSF shafting the academy.

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[ccfc1234]

I know justice is a subjective term, but I for one respect the fortitude of SISU in fighting a Covert agenda by the vengeful council and calculated self serving businessman to oust the primary sporting club this city has had for over a decade. In favour of a sporting franchise akin to MK Dons (without a fraction of the negative Press)

I can only wonder what would have happened to ccfc had Anne Lucas not been such a huge "supporter"of her club!!?!

 

[skybluetony176]

They are making statements like they do.

Yeah but they only tell the truth when it suits. Wasps are the new TF

Point is that they have no ownership currently at the AEHC so they can't give ultimatums at this moment in time. I would have thought that obvious which is why the question was surprising in the first place.

 

[skybluetony176]

Would be nice as well if SIDU didn't think owning the club somehow helps with this litigation.
Maybe still having ownership of the club would impact somewhat of the anount of compensation you can apply for? I have no idea just a guess.

I thought it was indicated during the appeal that compensation if they won (other than costs) wouldn't be that substantial?

 

[skybluetony176]

They arent going to drop legal action. Even if 2k people 100% agree. To me this is just another "look sisu wont drop legal action so its there fault wasps won't talk to them"

Its bollocks. And just deflecting from wasps and CSF shafting the academy.

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The problem here of course might be that if the third-party litigation talk is true SISU may well not be able to stop the litigation even if they wanted to. We could be on a path that SISU have no control of and this could be disastrous for the club.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Just looking at the poll - currently stands at 82.5% saying yes to Don's question, though only 27 people have voted.

There's 89 people who have read this thread. To use an election analogy, that’s only about a third of a turnout to vote.

Could I suggest that those viewing could please cast a vote? Lets get an idea where most people stand. If its a big swing in favour of one way or another way, this needs to be communicated to the interested parties. SBT is perhaps the busiest place where City fans actually get involved in discussions and the differing opinions are vast and diverse: who blames who, who said what...with the dissection of facts presented and examined as thoroughly as possible given the circumstances.

While a small percentage of the fan base, SBT is IMHO a definitive indicator of what the general feeling of the CCFC support. I believe if there is massive support for this poll, it needs to be communicated to SISU and reported by Les and Simon. Similarly, if there was massive support to boycott WASPs or put pressure on Higgs/WASPs to enable the City to keep the academy in situ, this also should be reported similarly.

 

[Grendel]

Just looking at the poll - currently stands at 82.5% saying yes to Don's question, though only 27 people have voted.

There's 89 people who have read this thread. To use an election analogy, that’s only about a third of a turnout to vote.

Could I suggest that those viewing could please cast a vote? Lets get an idea where most people stand. If its a big swing in favour of one way or another way, this needs to be communicated to the interested parties. SBT is perhaps the busiest place where City fans actually get involved in discussions and the differing opinions are vast and diverse: who blames who, who said what...with the dissection of facts presented and examined as thoroughly as possible given the circumstances.

While a small percentage of the fan base, SBT is IMHO a definitive indicator of what the general feeling of the CCFC support. I believe if there is massive support for this poll, it needs to be communicated to SISU and reported by Les and Simon. Similarly, if there was massive support to boycott WASPs or put pressure on Higgs/WASPs to enable the City to keep the academy in situ, this also should be reported similarly.

The poll is a joke as it has no relevance.

It's like saying CCFC would own the Ricoh if Joy Seppalla ate a full English breakfast every day for a year.

Would you want her to or not?

Most sensible people on here are award that he cause and effect are not as portrayed on this poll.

 

[skybluetony176]

The poll is a joke as it has no relevance.

It's like saying CCFC would own the Ricoh if Joy Seppalla ate a full English breakfast every day for a year.

Would you want her to or not?

Most sensible people on here are award that he cause and effect are not as portrayed on this poll.

Don't you get stroppy when the poll doesn't go in favour of SISU. Were you dismissing the other poll that no one understood? Probably not as the results were going the other way.

 

[dongonzalos]

Just looking at the poll - currently stands at 82.5% saying yes to Don's question, though only 27 people have voted.

There's 89 people who have read this thread. To use an election analogy, that’s only about a third of a turnout to vote.

Could I suggest that those viewing could please cast a vote? Lets get an idea where most people stand. If its a big swing in favour of one way or another way, this needs to be communicated to the interested parties. SBT is perhaps the busiest place where City fans actually get involved in discussions and the differing opinions are vast and diverse: who blames who, who said what...with the dissection of facts presented and examined as thoroughly as possible given the circumstances.

While a small percentage of the fan base, SBT is IMHO a definitive indicator of what the general feeling of the CCFC support. I believe if there is massive support for this poll, it needs to be communicated to SISU and reported by Les and Simon. Similarly, if there was massive support to boycott WASPs or put pressure on Higgs/WASPs to enable the City to keep the academy in situ, this also should be reported similarly.

It just might be a way forward.
If Wasps are not lying and they will only do a long term deal once the legal action comes to an end.

Then why doesn't the club say ok let's negotiate let's see if we can get an agreeable deal on both academy and Ricoh.

If we can then yes the legal action is on the table.

It maybe a way to get both back to the table and yes I imagine if everyone voted you would have 95% supporting this idea.

 

[skybluetony176]

It just might be a way forward.
If Wasps are not lying and they will only do a long term deal once the legal action comes to an end.

Then why doesn't the club say ok let's negotiate let's see if we can get an agreeable deal on both academy and Ricoh.

If we can then yes the legal action is on the table.

It maybe a way to get both back to the table and yes I imagine if everyone voted you would have 95% supporting this idea.

Too sensible. A stand off is clearly the way to get a result

 

[dongonzalos]

Grendel if Wasps put a contract on the table that was good for the club on both fronts academy and Ricoh.
However for it to happen we would need to drop all legal action.

Forget your attempts to side track with it wouldn't happen, it's not the issue, they would renege on it, SISU would renege on it. They have already laid down a take it or leave it offer.

Forget all of that just a straight forward yes or no would you sacrifice the legal action if it meant we got signed up long term to both academy and Ricoh

A simple yes or no please?

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Grendel if Wasps put a contract on the table that was good for the club on both fronts academy and Ricoh.
However for it to happen we would need to drop all legal action.

Forget your attempts to side track with it wouldn't happen, it's not the issue, they would renege on it, SISU would renege on it. They have already laid down a take it or leave it offer.

Forget all of that just a straight forward yes or no would you sacrifice the legal action if it meant we got signed up long term to both academy and Ricoh

A simple yes or no please?

No for me.
We live in a democracy hundreds of thousand of lives have been lost fighting for it, so if SISU believe they have been wronged then they have the right to seek justice.

 

[RegTheDonk]

The poll is a joke as it has no relevance.

It's like saying CCFC would own the Ricoh if Joy Seppalla ate a full English breakfast every day for a year.

Would you want her to or not?

Most sensible people on here are award that he cause and effect are not as portrayed on this poll.

Sorry, be honest with yourself Gren thats a poor comparison, you are better than that. The question isn't about if, whats and maybes, its a clear question based on the statements we have at hand from the mouths of the two CEOs involved.

If you want to talk about cause and effect, WASPs are quoting background noise as a barrier - and Don's question is quite valid and relevant: drop legal action in return for a suitable deal. Weather someone agrees or disagrees with the answer, the question is relevant.

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[stupot07]

Sorry, be honest with yourself Gren thats a poor comparison, you are better than that. The question isn't about if, whats and maybes, its a clear question based on the statements we have at hand from the mouths of the two CEOs involved.

If you want to talk about cause and effect, WASPs are quoting background noise as a barrier - and Don's question is quite valid and relevant: drop legal action in return for a suitable deal. Weather someone agrees or disagrees with the answer, the question is relevant.

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Surely the question is about if, what's and maybes, because its all around a hypothetical if wasps can offer us a good enough deal. Without wanting to repeat myself:

They arent going to drop legal action. Even if 2k people 100% agree. To me this is just another "look sisu wont drop legal action so its there fault wasps won't talk to them"

Its bollocks. And just deflecting from wasps and CSF shafting the academy.

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And as tony said, if its a no fee no win type company sisu might not be able to stop it.

I don't get what the aim of the poll is trying to achieve other than shift any blame away from wasps and back onto sisu.


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[Otis]

Yes apparently people didn't understand my question and were not choosing legal action over securing the future of the club.
They were merely saying Wasps shouldn't be involved.
However they are and they are saying no deal can be concluded until the legal action has concluded.
So I am saying call their bluff, offer to get round the table for both academy and Ricoh. If a deal is reached agree to drop the legal action when we sign it.
We will see two things are Wasps bluffing and don't really want us.
Are SISU prepared to drop the legal action to save the club and academy

Nope, I didn't understand the last poll.

 

[Nick]

I don't get what the aim of the poll is trying to achieve other than shift any blame away from wasps and back onto sisu.


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I don't know, there was one about litigation before that everybody pretty much agreed on.

It is trying to prove something though.

 

[skybluetony176]

No for me.
We live in a democracy hundreds of thousand of lives have been lost fighting for it, so if SISU believe they have been wronged then they have the right to seek justice.

Do SISU actually believe that they've been wronged? They're testing the water on a previously unchallenged piece of law. Do they think they have a case? I'm sure they do. Do they believe that they've been "wronged"? Probably not as the JR is deliberating on that. Four respected, highly qualified and experienced judges have ruled over it now and all four have said very strongly that SISU haven't been wronged. That's a pretty decisive conclusion.

 

[dongonzalos]

I don't know, there was one about litigation before that everybody pretty much agreed on.

It is trying to prove something though.

Grendel didn't think I was right in suggesting we should say to Wasps
Ok if we find an agreement that suits us both then yes the legal action could be dropped.
He asked me to start a thread about it a couple of times. He felt most would disagree with the idea.
So I have obliged. Worded it badly first time.
Made it clearer and simpler this time.
The legal action should be on the table for dropping, if a suitable deal is negotiated first.

Effectively a compromise.

Wasps are telling us the legal action is the issue
SISU always say they make decisions in the best interests of the club.

So neither side should reject this idea

 

[dongonzalos]

No for me.
We live in a democracy hundreds of thousand of lives have been lost fighting for it, so if SISU believe they have been wronged then they have the right to seek justice.

Yes they can say no if they want that's the democracy.
However this is like an out of court settlement where they choose this over the legal action.
It happens in democracy everyday.

 

[dongonzalos]

Surely the question is about if, what's and maybes, because its all around a hypothetical if wasps can offer us a good enough deal. Without wanting to repeat myself:





And as tony said, if its a no fee no win type company sisu might not be able to stop it.

I don't get what the aim of the poll is trying to achieve other than shift any blame away from wasps and back onto sisu.


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Not trying to shift the blame
trying to get a solution

 

[stupot07]

Not trying to shift the blame
trying to get a solution

So great you get 100 posters 100% agreeing. Then what?

Sisu say no. Then what?

I know "sisu wouldn't/ couldn't drop the JR, they're being unreasonable, its their fault not Wasps"

Its not really about trying to find a solution, as there is only 1 option - drop the JR.

The vast majority want the legals to be dropped but the club shouldnt be used or bullied by wasps to get at sisu.

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[Otis]

So great you get 100 posters 100% agreeing. Then what?

Sisu say no. Then what?

I know "sisu wouldn't/ couldn't drop the JR, they're being unreasonable, its their fault not Wasps"

Its not really about trying to find a solution, as there is only 1 option - drop the JR.

The vast majority want the legals to be dropped but the club shouldnt be used or bullied buy wasps to get at sisu.

Buy Wasps? Not going to happen!

 

[Grendel]

Wasps

Not trying to shift the blame
trying to get a solution

No you are playing into wasps hands by pretending that this is a chain of events that could happen and it isn't - it's no way forward.

Oddly hasn't caused a ripple on the wasps forum - whereas some ideas do.

 

[Grendel]

Yes they can say no if they want that's the democracy.
However this is like an out of court settlement where they choose this over the legal action.
It happens in democracy everyday.

Out of court settlement with a third party - wasps wouldn't actually. E in that meeting would they?

 

[dongonzalos]

Grendel if Wasps put a contract on the table that was good for the club on both fronts academy and Ricoh.
However for it to happen we would need to drop all legal action.

Forget your attempts to side track with it wouldn't happen, it's not the issue, they would renege on it, SISU would renege on it. They have already laid down a take it or leave it offer.

Forget all of that just a straight forward yes or no would you sacrifice the legal action if it meant we got signed up long term to both academy and Ricoh

A simple yes or no please?

Think you missed this Grendel?

 

[dongonzalos]

Out of court settlement with a third party - wasps wouldn't actually. E in that meeting would they?

Same theory

Wasps


No you are playing into wasps hands by pretending that this is a chain of events that could happen and it isn't - it's no way forward.

Oddly hasn't caused a ripple on the wasps forum - whereas some ideas do.

What Wasps forum?

 

[dongonzalos]

So great you get 100 posters 100% agreeing. Then what?

Sisu say no. Then what?

I know "sisu wouldn't/ couldn't drop the JR, they're being unreasonable, its their fault not Wasps"

Its not really about trying to find a solution, as there is only 1 option - drop the JR.

The vast majority want the legals to be dropped but the club shouldnt be used or bullied by wasps to get at sisu.

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SISU wouldn't say no if it's the best thing for the future of the club.
They have repeatedly said that they always make decisions with the best interests of the club put first.
Look at their recent rousing statement about the club.

Why do you think they would say no?
Hardly anyone thinks they have a chance of winning so really they will be putting Wasps on the spot and in an very awkward position if Wasps are but genuine in their line about the legal action

 

[Grendel]

Think you missed this Grendel?

No I'm not indulging you.

It's a pro wasps stance and I'm not playing.

 

[stupot07]

SISU wouldn't say no if it's the best thing for the future of the club.
They have repeatedly said that they always make decisions with the best interests of the club put first.
Look at their recent rousing statement about the club.

Why do you think they would say no?
Hardly anyone thinks they have a chance of winning so really they will be putting Wasps on the spot and in an very awkward position if Wasps are but genuine in their line about the legal action

They wikk say no because 1) they still think they can win and 2) they will not want to be bullied into it by wasps.


Well done though, you're setting it up nicely to blame sisu for talks not going ahead.

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[Grendel]

They wikk say no because 1) they still think they can win and 2) they will not want to be bullied into it by wasps.


Well done though, you're setting it up nicely to blame sisu for talks not going ahead.

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Exactly another wasps cheerleader.

 

[dongonzalos]

They wikk say no because 1) they still think they can win and 2) they will not want to be bullied into it by wasps.


Well done though, you're setting it up nicely to blame sisu for talks not going ahead.

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You don't want s compromise do you?
As usual letting your personal hate for Wasps overrule everything else