Senior Vick from Alicante
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The points deduction should be larger than Evertons due to the scale of the overspend.
Leicester points deduction (2 Viewers)
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Gynnsthetonic
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Hope so
Danceswithhorses
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Do, me stupido !
That bloody 's' ...2 point deductions or 2 points deduction have very different meanings lol
RegTheDonk
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Ah fair enough, jumped the gun there.
Hobo
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I thought it was because they breached Prem rules which couldn't be punished in the Championship. So it only kicked in again once they were promoted
I really hope they get stuffed for 15 points. Some Leicester fans I know still think it will be a price worth paying if they get all the Prem cash and the parachute payments. They’re a bunch of shits and I never bought ‘ the good old Leicester ‘ bollocks that went round. Like many other teams they cheated off the back of billionaire owners !
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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They’re right though. They’ll come down and piss the league again. It’s why we need to get up whilst parachute payments are a thing.
FFP is bollocks just to keep the status quo anyway
Gynnsthetonic
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Won't the EFL being punishing them if they come back down though for breaching FFP from last season?
StrettoBoy
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I thought it was because they breached Prem rules which couldn't be punished in the Championship. So it only kicked in again once they were promoted
That's true but they are also allegedly in breach of the EPL's rules. If I remember correctly they brought the legal action to prevent that being enforced last season and potentially denying them promotion.
StrettoBoy
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They should be.
A lot of Premiership clubs want the FFP rules scrapped or at least the sanction restricted to fines. That's a joke for those clubs, such as Man City and Newcastle, which are owned by oil-rich countries. Hopefully the rules will continue to apply in the EFL.
I was opposed to the breakaway European league but I'm beginning to think it's a good idea. Let's get rid of clubs like Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd. and Newcastle and have a properly competitive English league.
San Francisco
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Still think the general sentiment is that all the TV rights, money and focus would then go into a Super League type setup thus taking a lot of income away from the teams that would remain in the EPL.
In all honesty I think the super league is inevitable no matter what UEFA or the gov says or does. Go let the billionaires and plastic fans from Asia have their ESL and let us proper fans get on with real football in a competitive league.
Para1140
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Once a cheat always a cheat. its not the first time they have bent the rules
ccfc922
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Bournemouth did the same, paid £5mill before coming back down IIRC so no punishment.
HadjiChippo
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Should’ve been a transfer/player registration ban for the summer, points deductions means nothing for teams who are preparing to get relegated anyway. They’ve gamed the system by getting promoted whilst cheating, spent another load of money in the summer and then dominate the league again when back down here with their ill gotten gains.
Terry Gibson's perm
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Plus they should lose their parachute payments.
torchomatic
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Remember the punishment Luton got? The authorities are not as harsh nowadays. There's no disincentive for any club not to break the rules.
anything to do with the fact that ‘those in charge know, they will eventually have to bring Man City’s charges to a conclusion.HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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You say that but FFP has meant that United have a higher threshold than Newcastle despite winning less games in the CL
united ended up with like 40m more CL money due to historical performances. How’s that fair?
Hobo
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Well it's the clubs that set the rules. They voted for points deductions rather than fines, because by overspending they have gained a sporting advantage. They felt the penalty should reflect that which is why they deduct points. However there is no template so each case is looked at individually. Forest gambled that they could still stay up despite a points deductions and it paid off.
shepardo01
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The EFL tried/wanted to sanction them as they had the biggest wage bill the Championship had ever seen. Leicester refused to submit requests for info, work with EFL, knowing they would go up.I thought it was because they breached Prem rules which couldn't be punished in the Championship. So it only kicked in again once they were promoted
MusicDating
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Yup. They seem to think cheating to get out of the Championship (twice) is fine, but not being able to cheat in the Premier League to compete with Man City is not fair. Ok then.
It’s not just PL clubs who are railing against FFP / PSR. The owners of Stoke are seriously wealthy and desperate to pump money into the club. But they can’t.
I think the upcoming Man City decision could be a seismic moment for the game in this country and Europe for many reasons.
City look to be near the end of a cycle:
- Few new signings
- squad is not old but ‘mature’
- Pep looks to have itchy feet
If they get a harsh punishment, they won’t take it lying down. It would probably incentivise them to Brexit away from the PL. Newcastle and Chelsea would be thinking the same. Barcelona, RM and Juve never gave up. PSG and Bayern could be tempted this time….
The EPL can’t exactly go soft on City. These 115 charges came about as a last ditch effort to avoid independent regulation:/ control. You’d assume that charging them with 115 separate offences means you expect (and probably need) at least half to stick, however expensive, creative and aggressive City’s lawyers might be.
My guess is they will go soft on them because they will belatedly realise they are about to kill their golden goose. But let’s not kid ourselves…., a slap on the wrist will make the EPL look like complete idiots.
If they go in hard (I.e. relegation or worse), I think it could trigger a chain reaction which starts the ‘super league’ quite quickly.
I think the upcoming Man City decision could be a seismic moment for the game in this country and Europe for many reasons.
City look to be near the end of a cycle:
- Few new signings
- squad is not old but ‘mature’
- Pep looks to have itchy feet
If they get a harsh punishment, they won’t take it lying down. It would probably incentivise them to Brexit away from the PL. Newcastle and Chelsea would be thinking the same. Barcelona, RM and Juve never gave up. PSG and Bayern could be tempted this time….
The EPL can’t exactly go soft on City. These 115 charges came about as a last ditch effort to avoid independent regulation:/ control. You’d assume that charging them with 115 separate offences means you expect (and probably need) at least half to stick, however expensive, creative and aggressive City’s lawyers might be.
My guess is they will go soft on them because they will belatedly realise they are about to kill their golden goose. But let’s not kid ourselves…., a slap on the wrist will make the EPL look like complete idiots.
If they go in hard (I.e. relegation or worse), I think it could trigger a chain reaction which starts the ‘super league’ quite quickly.
Nick
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The EFL should refuse them entry when they get relegated then.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Haven’t Stoke completely taken the piss with FFP regardless? Just as Man City will avoid a meaningful punishment.
Probably but nowhere near as much as they’d have liked.
SkyBlueMatt
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They will be "tough" but effectively meaningless.
I predict something like a 30 point loss, saves face for both arguments. They will miss out on winning the title but will probably win the CL anyway. There will be a big story of how they defied the odds.
PL football is absolutely meaningless, the sooner they f*ck to the "super league" the better. They will still be on S*y Sports, so is anyone really going to notice?
I do feel for the real match going fans but for these clubs, that support is dying off.
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It feels like they might do something like 30 points. But the problem for the PL is that Everton got docked 6 points for one offence. So if the Man City punishment isn’t in line (assuming of course that they’re found guilty), they will look weak and risk having independent regulation imposed.
I do agree that the ‘traditional’ match going fans are dying off in the EPL (being deliberately killed off by the clubs themselves).
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I wonder if the Sheikh got bored would he find it hard to get anyone to take over? Having those charges sitting in the background can't help getting a good deal.
skyblue025
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Stoke owners gift the club money rather than loaning it. You can gift as much as you like and not breach FFP as it doesn't show as debt.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Vile club.
Covkid1968#
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Is that right? Surely these wealthy people who just love a bit of spotlight would just gift it then?
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I think the debt is effectively to prevent a hostile takeover. If you control the debt you control any admin process - ala SISU
Hobo
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Comparing the cases of Everton and Forest to the Man City situation is like comparing apples and pears. It is not that the Prem have been soft with Man City, it is a far more complex case involving not just the club but individuals who have the right to defend themselves and present their own defenses.
Everton and Forest were straight forward cases of spending too much in a given time period compared to the revenue coming in.
In the Manchester City case most of the 115 charges won't go anywhere unless the main 1 or 2 charges can be proved. In order to prove any over spend at Man City it has to be proved that they committed one of the worst and hardest to prove allegations in the business world. That is basically that accounts that have been submitted and accepted were basically false. In other words, false accounting; fraud. Forget points deductions; directors and accountants potentially could go to prison. It could rumble on for years
That is why it has taken so long to date, not because anyone is soft on Manchester City but because it is a complex case and potentially immensely serious far beyond being deducted a few points.
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