There are far too many Wasps apologists in Coventry at the moment, and a lot of them can be found on this thread.
Everyone knows SISU are cunts, no one argues that it wasn't largely their fault we've ended up in this mess. How on earth however people can argue stuff like 'you can't blame Wasps', 'the council did the right thing' and the rest of the shit you try to spiel. It's just clearly and attempt to justify what you know is an immoral trip to the Ricoh to watch 'premiership rugby'.
A lot of CCFC fans are now going to watch the rugby instead, but all that means, no matter how disillusioned you are with the football, is that you are a glory supporter. Something we were supposed to have grown up hating being a loyal, local football club. It makes me sick. Honestly, how can you jump into bed with them, the enemy? It's going against all the principles you should have growing up as a Coventry supporter.
Yes, SISU are pricks, but the introduction of Wasps taking advantage of a vulnerable situation, and the council supporting them throughout this just means that CCFC are collateral damage. The denial over that is astounding.
Wasps are in no means innocent in playing their part in the destruction of CCFC.
It's proves that Hoffman who is very clued up in the financial sector believes the club can be ok on a rental deal that we do not have to have access to 24/7 income streams . Unless you are saying that is what he negotiated?
Wasps took advantage of a vulnerable situation- that is what businesses do. Cannot blame a business for acting in it's own interests. Except, of course, SISU because they took over a club with a loyal fan base and by acting in what they thought was in their interests, managed to screw the whole thing up. What businesses shouldn't do is put themselves in a vulnerable position. The fault in this case lies squarely by SISU.
They wouldn't have even looked at the place without the lease extension - something which will always raise the value.
If he's so clued up he'd know full well the offer would be rejected out of hand by the clubs owners - so why offer it in the first place?
Was the lease extension agreed before or after the sale of the Higgs share of the business?
My thought is that he is indirectly acknowledging it is worth 10 million by suggesting the add ons to bring it to that amount. If he had said 10 million cash, Joy would have said 20 - guess - and they may have gone for 15 ( something like that ). By starting low and hinting at a possible 10 he is suggesting that the haggling is about how much is cash up to the 10 million. Pure conjecture on my part, but I think his bid is reasoned and not just a figure.
I don't think the consortium has anything like £10 million
Wrong to distress ACL. Ok to distress the club. Wrong to move to Northampton. OK to move from Wycombe to Coventry. Doouble standards. Hypocrisy. Call it what you like. Our fans have it in abundance.
Wasps took advantage of a vulnerable situation- that is what businesses do. Cannot blame a business for acting in it's own interests. Except, of course, SISU because they took over a club with a loyal fan base and by acting in what they thought was in their interests, managed to screw the whole thing up. What businesses shouldn't do is put themselves in a vulnerable position. The fault in this case lies squarely by SISU.
There are far too many Wasps apologists in Coventry at the moment, and a lot of them can be found on this thread.
Everyone knows SISU are cunts, no one argues that it wasn't largely their fault we've ended up in this mess. How on earth however people can argue stuff like 'you can't blame Wasps', 'the council did the right thing' and the rest of the shit you try to spiel. It's just clearly and attempt to justify what you know is an immoral trip to the Ricoh to watch 'premiership rugby'.
A lot of CCFC fans are now going to watch the rugby instead, but all that means, no matter how disillusioned you are with the football, is that you are a glory supporter. Something we were supposed to have grown up hating being a loyal, local football club. It makes me sick. Honestly, how can you jump into bed with them, the enemy? It's going against all the principles you should have growing up as a Coventry supporter.
Yes, SISU are pricks, but the introduction of Wasps taking advantage of a vulnerable situation, and the council supporting them throughout this just means that CCFC are collateral damage. The denial over that is astounding.
Wasps are in no means innocent in playing their part in the destruction of CCFC.
If he's so clued up he'd know full well the offer would be rejected out of hand by the clubs owners - so why offer it in the first place?
So, SISU can't fuck a fan base over, but Wasps can?
If you're going to defend Wasps by saying 'they're just a business', then surely you can't blame SISU for acting in their business interests...
You should change your 'Refugees Welcome' banner to a 'Wasps Welcome' one instead!
So, SISU can't fuck a fan base over, but Wasps can?
If you're going to defend Wasps by saying 'they're just a business', then surely you can't blame SISU for acting in their business interests...
You should change your 'Refugees Welcome' banner to a 'Wasps Welcome' one instead!
Longer lease means it wouldn't have been able to get distressed. The value of ACL would have also been 40+m wouldn't it?
It was a question, does anyone not think SISU will say that to the FL to justify any action they take? When will people wake up, it's not supporting SISU, it's working out ways to not give them excuses. Wasps have agreed for Hoffman to have a team there, but refuse to negotiate with the team he wants to play there. It's a green light for SISU and the FL.
Oh, and I assume based on your logic, he has also spoken to just sports and the people that do the programmes? Ticketmaster?
Bit in bold. Haha. Thought SISU were OK at the start didn't he? Why if he is such a top boy didn't he know what they were all about?
Extending the lease would still mean it would be distressed eventually, if it didn't have its anchor tennant. It would need to find a new tennant. Plus the charity were always saying they wanted out.
There are far too many Wasps apologists in Coventry at the moment, and a lot of them can be found on this thread.
Everyone knows SISU are cunts, no one argues that it wasn't largely their fault we've ended up in this mess. How on earth however people can argue stuff like 'you can't blame Wasps', 'the council did the right thing' and the rest of the shit you try to spiel. It's just clearly and attempt to justify what you know is an immoral trip to the Ricoh to watch 'premiership rugby'.
A lot of CCFC fans are now going to watch the rugby instead, but all that means, no matter how disillusioned you are with the football, is that you are a glory supporter. Something we were supposed to have grown up hating being a loyal, local football club. It makes me sick. Honestly, how can you jump into bed with them, the enemy? It's going against all the principles you should have growing up as a Coventry supporter.
Yes, SISU are pricks, but the introduction of Wasps taking advantage of a vulnerable situation, and the council supporting them throughout this just means that CCFC are collateral damage. The denial over that is astounding.
Wasps are in no means innocent in playing their part in the destruction of CCFC.
Sounds like it was written by Fisher
It would not have solved the issue of getting Higgs some money. Allowing Higgs to leave.
It would not have solved the problem of finding a replacement anchor tennant which many on here were keen to point out was not possible.
Also ACL would continue to be distressed.
It also may have made finding an alternative impossible.
Don't forget we were building our own stadium at the time and were not negotiating or coming back under any circumstances.
It would not have solved the issue of getting Higgs some money. Allowing Higgs to leave.
It would not have solved the problem of finding a replacement anchor tennant which many on here were keen to point out was not possible.
Also ACL would continue to be distressed.
It also may have made finding an alternative impossible.
Don't forget we were building our own stadium at the time and were not negotiating or coming back under any circumstances.
It's under nonsense to suggest that ACL would not have been better with a long lease from the outset. It would have increased valuation, length of borrowing terms and one would assume a sensible payment and revenue deal for the club.
To blame sisu for the charities failings is just absurd - if the club had gone into administration at the time the lease would have had to have been renegotiated and another buyer could easily have forced ACL under - that's what would have happened if Richardson and wasps were around in 2007
Yes, but in all these points it was the parties that signed and agreed to the short lease and high rents that caused the problems, including SISU not questioning these things before taking on all liabilities. It shows amazing naivety by all parties.
Yes, but in all these points it was the parties that signed and agreed to the short lease and high rents that caused the problems, including SISU not questioning these things before taking on all liabilities. It shows amazing naivety by all parties.
Sounds like it was written by Fisher
The council wanted ACL on a short lease. The club had to sign to whatever it was offered as to an extent did Higgs.
No. If it had, it would have been signed just "Robins"
Well at least it wasn't in the dirt box!:facepalm:I still haven't got this letter asking me to renew my season ticket. An email from them advertising UB40 though, straight in the inbox.
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