covcity4life
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for sure. the council did it out of spite and to "beat" sisu
they do not care that ccfc were the biggest losers
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for sure. the council did it out of spite and to "beat" sisu
they do not care that ccfc were the biggest losers
Nick
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SkyBlueZack
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Wondered when you would be along waving your council flag. The charity wouldn't have lost a shed load of money. Oh, and if your bothered about them losing money, why not query with the CCC why the lease was not extended prior to the sale thus increasing the value? It was out of spite, sorry if that ruins your romantic image of the council. The council would have lost a grand sum of 10 million, small price to pay for regenerating that part of the city really. Still, as long as it's one in the eye for SISU, who cares? Certainly not you.
Brylowes
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I agree with this, the last thing we need is more debt, some honest straight forward investmentDid the forecasts include Wembley etc?
If they pull their wallets out, let's just hope it isn't a loan with silly interest that will just add to what a new buyer has to pay
I'd much rather they didn't loan CCFC anything.
In the football club they own would be great though.
Nick
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The fans are openly trying to starve them out, the ground owners are doing the same etc. Can you see them donating their own money for no return?
This is where some football fan expectations confuse me.
SkyBlueZack
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Slightly off topic, Hoffman agreeing a deal to play at the Ricoh for a club he doesn't own, while the Ricoh owners refuse to negotiate with the owners of the club. Does this not provide more evidence to the FA that control of the club is trying to be wrestled from them?
dongonzalos
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And my lucky council pants. No flags just speaking common sense which when the other person is floundering to deal with that they tend to turn to childish retorts
Please explain to me how ACL going bust would not have lost the charity money
If Wasps wouldn't buy at that price then you are back to the business getting distressed and going out of business
Sorry saying that the council made such a massive decision purely out of spite puts you up there with those loons on social media who believe SISU are making millions every year out of CCFC. Or the likes who say SISU intentionally lost JR1.
Crazy talk.
Really? You seem to well up on things with the council.....
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Does it? Why would you give a fuck very strange!
No, it proves that Wasps will talk with people not involved in a JR which will cost them time and money as they will be called to give evidence. Seems to be that, if you drop the JR, Wasps will talk to you. If SISU cared about the club, they would drop the JR which would allow the club to get into negotiations. SISU's main concern is their investors- not particularly CCFC.
dongonzalos
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No it's a common sense business approach. Why would you bid for CCFC unless you knew you could either build a new stadium in 12 months. Or you provisionally agreed with someone that if you were successful buying CCFC that person would allow them to play there.
It's shows they were planning to bid for CCFC which they did.
It also shows that a man who is very highly regarded in the financial sector felt that the club could be financially ok signing rental agreement at the Ricoh
Nick
Administrator
It isn't strange really, the more things that SISU can show that others are against CCFC the more leeway they get when it comes to things like moving...
Nick
Administrator
The club probably would be financially OK with his offer. It doesn't prove anything at all.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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So that's the reason it's mentioned yes ok
SkyBlueZack
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Nick
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Longer lease means it wouldn't have been able to get distressed. The value of ACL would have also been 40+m wouldn't it?
SkyBlueZack
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Why did negotiations start then?
SkyBlueZack
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It was a question, does anyone not think SISU will say that to the FL to justify any action they take? When will people wake up, it's not supporting SISU, it's working out ways to not give them excuses. Wasps have agreed for Hoffman to have a team there, but refuse to negotiate with the team he wants to play there. It's a green light for SISU and the FL.
Oh, and I assume based on your logic, he has also spoken to just sports and the people that do the programmes? Ticketmaster?
Bit in bold. Haha. Thought SISU were OK at the start didn't he? Why if he is such a top boy didn't he know what they were all about?
dongonzalos
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please explain
SkyBlueZack
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What other reason then?
Nick
Administrator
CCFC worth - by lecturer in football finance Liverpool
Saying that Hoffman thought a long term deal with Wasps would be ok doesn't prove anything, does it?
dongonzalos
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The FL have already said they won't get in the way of rental disputes.
As long as SISU pay a bond that they intend to come back. As long as they maintain the fixtures they will be allowed to go.
They had no justification last time and were allowed.
Not they needed an excuse but they already have it over the Butts saga.
Nick
Administrator
Exactly. Meanwhile everybody just shouts let down by the football league etc.
dongonzalos
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It's proves that Hoffman who is very clued up in the financial sector believes the club can be ok on a rental deal that we do not have to have access to 24/7 income streams . Unless you are saying that is what he negotiated?
SkyBlueZack
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And encouraging things like dealing with Wasps. Buy the club, then deal with Wasps. Who is it that bangs on about the cart before the horse? Is this not a prime example?
Nick
Administrator
They can't get in the way of rental disputes, they can give leeway on moving and decide what is / isn't allowed etc.
It will be with the FL as one of their clubs being distressed to force ownership change, they will have pity and help.
Nick
Administrator
Read about his offer for ccfc and why it's never going to be accepted unless it drastically changes. (as of the last one)
SkyBlueZack
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Wrong to distress ACL. Ok to distress the club. Wrong to move to Northampton. OK to move from Wycombe to Coventry.
Doouble standards. Hypocrisy. Call it what you like. Our fans have it in abundance.
Doouble standards. Hypocrisy. Call it what you like. Our fans have it in abundance.
dongonzalos
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They just needed to get to next summer. Have no deal agreed. Tell the FL they are building their own stadium. Pay a bond, move away and sit and wait and hope Wasps go bust over the years. With CCFC costing nothing hopefully running at breakeven .
Just a wild guess at a scenario that may pan out.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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We didn't need backing in the January transfer window.
We had a team that was averaging 3 goals a game. Mowbray's team selection was the biggest problem and cost us promotion due to that favouritism.
SkyBlueZack
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You wouldn't buy a club without knowing it had a place to play football. The people who bought a club without checking these things properly before they completed the deal were SISU.
The rest is history. Let's hope any new owners have a solution to the stadium problem.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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There are far too many Wasps apologists in Coventry at the moment, and a lot of them can be found on this thread.
Everyone knows SISU are cunts, no one argues that it wasn't largely their fault we've ended up in this mess. How on earth however people can argue stuff like 'you can't blame Wasps', 'the council did the right thing' and the rest of the shit you try to spiel. It's just clearly and attempt to justify what you know is an immoral trip to the Ricoh to watch 'premiership rugby'.
A lot of CCFC fans are now going to watch the rugby instead, but all that means, no matter how disillusioned you are with the football, is that you are a glory supporter. Something we were supposed to have grown up hating being a loyal, local football club. It makes me sick. Honestly, how can you jump into bed with them, the enemy? It's going against all the principles you should have growing up as a Coventry supporter.
Yes, SISU are pricks, but the introduction of Wasps taking advantage of a vulnerable situation, and the council supporting them throughout this just means that CCFC are collateral damage. The denial over that is astounding.
Wasps are in no means innocent in playing their part in the destruction of CCFC.
Everyone knows SISU are cunts, no one argues that it wasn't largely their fault we've ended up in this mess. How on earth however people can argue stuff like 'you can't blame Wasps', 'the council did the right thing' and the rest of the shit you try to spiel. It's just clearly and attempt to justify what you know is an immoral trip to the Ricoh to watch 'premiership rugby'.
A lot of CCFC fans are now going to watch the rugby instead, but all that means, no matter how disillusioned you are with the football, is that you are a glory supporter. Something we were supposed to have grown up hating being a loyal, local football club. It makes me sick. Honestly, how can you jump into bed with them, the enemy? It's going against all the principles you should have growing up as a Coventry supporter.
Yes, SISU are pricks, but the introduction of Wasps taking advantage of a vulnerable situation, and the council supporting them throughout this just means that CCFC are collateral damage. The denial over that is astounding.
Wasps are in no means innocent in playing their part in the destruction of CCFC.
SkyBlueZack
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Let's hope they will cave in to Wasps demands.
They had a contract with ACL, so yeah they bought the club knowing they had somewhere to play. No they didn't address the extortionate rent.
Exactly. If Hoffmann is talking to Wasps, he will be asking what it costs to play football at the Ricoh etc. If it is too much, he might look at other options or not go ahead. Pity SISU didn't check these things or go for negotiating a better deal with ACL before completing the takeover.