Nick
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It's not though is it? If 10000 people said my car was a Ferrari it doesn't make it one.
I'd have to see the situation to see how ccfc it was.
It's not though is it? If 10000 people said my car was a Ferrari it doesn't make it one.To you. Not to the Newport Fucking County fans! You really are inmsulting them by taking away their history and their strength as fans.
No it just wouldn't be ccfc and have the history.
The same as sphinx doesn't but they have a sky blue stripe kit.
Because they aren't ccfc either. They didn't have 1987, Jimmy hill, me and my dad when I was a kid.Not sure why you keep mentioning random clubs in Coventry that have nothing to do with CCFC. We aren't talking protest clubs or other clubs in the city, it's a continuation of CCFC.
Lets be real though. It's highly unlikely to actually come to this.
It's not though is it? If 10000 people said my car was a Ferrari it doesn't make it one.
I'd have to see the situation to see how ccfc it was.
So if every city fan went to watch cov United it makes them ccfc? Not to me it doesn't.It really is imsulting to those that have been through it. At the end of the day, the club is the community that support it, anything else is transient.
From Newport County's official website:To you. Not to the Newport Fucking County fans! You really are inmsulting them by taking away their history and their strength as fans.
Following the sad demise of Newport County in February 1989, a new club, Newport AFC, was created by a group of County supporters three months later. The intention was to play at the highest level possible in the Football League Pyramid, with the ultimate aim of returning League football to Newport. The new club was founded, financed and run by supporters. Its motto was “Football with a Future”.
It is important to distinguish between Newport County (the Ironsides) a club of the past and Newport County AFC (the Exiles) the club of the present and the future).
It is.It's not though is it?
How is it insulting? If you look at the websites of the clubs it has happened to they very clearly state it is not the same club.It really is imsulting to those that have been through it. At the end of the day, the club is the community that support it, anything else is transient.
Wasnt that bad used to drink there on a Wednesday when I was at Henley college during my apprenticeship.Yeah in Wood End.
But say it quietly !
Think I went in there once, just as strange as going in the aldermoor.Wasnt that bad used to drink there on a Wednesday when I was at Henley college during my apprenticeship.
Again, you miss completely...From Newport County's official website:
So if 10000 city fans said that cov United is now ccfc that means it is?Again, you miss completely...
The fans would say otherwise. The paraphrasing about John Aldridge etc I put up earlier? Part of research (currently unpublished) conducted into this very subject. Clubs looked at were Newport, Aldershot, Acrrington, Bradford (Park Avenue), Wimbledon / MK... and two I forget off the top of my head
Conclusion, after speaking to the fans, was that the continuum is indeed the same club. The literalism is totally irrelevant!
But did all fans migrate to the new club? If not do they just not matter anymore?Again, you miss completely...
The fans would say otherwise. The paraphrasing about John Aldridge etc I put up earlier? Part of research (currently unpublished) conducted into this very subject. Clubs looked at were Newport, Aldershot, Acrrington, Bradford (Park Avenue), Wimbledon / MK... and two I forget off the top of my head
Conclusion, after speaking to the fans, was that the continuum is indeed the same club. The literalism is totally irrelevant!
It's you that is failing to grasp a very simple point. If we are liquidated that is it, the club that was managed by Jimmy Hill, that won the FA Cup no longer exists.Again, you miss completely...
The fans would say otherwise. The paraphrasing about John Aldridge etc I put up earlier? Part of research (currently unpublished) conducted into this very subject. Clubs looked at were Newport, Aldershot, Acrrington, Bradford (Park Avenue), Wimbledon / MK... and two I forget off the top of my head
Conclusion, after speaking to the fans, was that the continuum is indeed the same club. The literalism is totally irrelevant!
If popular consent were that it was the case, then yep.So if 10000 city fans said that cov United is now ccfc that means it is?
Newport Council denied us use of Somerton Park, claiming that we were Newport County in disguise trying to sneak back into the ground from which the old club had been evicted for non payment of rent & rates, while the Football Association of Wales claimed we had no connection with the old club and denied us sanction to play in Wales in the Football League pyramid. They couldn't both be right; in fact neither of them were!
Did all fans migrate to Northampton, or when Marlon signed for us, or when Otium Entertainment Group become our legal entity? If not, do they just not matter anymore?But did all fans migrate to the new club? If not do they just not matter anymore?
We've already been liquidated. That entity no longer exists.If we are liquidated that is it, the club that was managed by Jimmy Hill, that won the FA Cup no longer exists.
If you establish if it is the same club based on the fans continuing to attend then presumably Coventry City ceased to exist when the club moved to Northampton and the fans stopped attending?It's not as simple as saying new club, old club. The entity may be new, but the connection is with what has gone before. The fans decided their club is Newport County. Why deny them that fact? To some I'm sure they gave up when they went bust - they'll have also gained new fans since but, that heritage is of vital importance for their identity.
What if fish could fly, and cats were dogs?What if 5002 voted for one club to be the new one and 5001 voted for another?
Nether would be ccfc
Come on you’ve got to admit it’s mad to compare people leaving a team for various reasons with people not supporting a new team.Did all fans migrate to Northampton, or when Marlon signed for us, or when Otium Entertainment Group become our legal entity? If not, do they just not matter anymore?
Everyone matters on an individual level but you can't force people to follow a team. If they were to decide to go off and do some gardening instead, and go shopping at Asda on a Saturday afternoon while looking back fondly to the days when Coventry City won the Cup then fine, that's their decision.
Alternatively, why do those who feel that way have any right to deny others tyhe chance to follow Coventry City?
If 10000 people told me my dog was a cat does it mean it is?What if fish could fly, and cats were dogs?
Are you being deliberately thick? This has been explained over and over again and is very simple.We've already been liquidated. That entity no longer exists.
Why people want to deny others the right to follow Coventry City I find very odd indeed.
We've already been liquidated. That entity no longer exists.
Why people want to deny others the right to follow Coventry City I find very odd indeed.
If Triumph comes out of adversity, then what comes out of despair?If 10000 people told me my dog was a cat does it mean it is?
KawasakiIf Triumph comes out of adversity, then what comes out of despair?
I think you are.Are you being deliberately thick?
The natural assumption if that were the case, would be to assume that Tim Fisher has hacked a few here.I think Dave Johnson has hacked NW’s account
If you establish if it is the same club based on the fans continuing to attend then presumably Coventry City ceased to exist when the club moved to Northampton and the fans stopped attending?
Or how about this. There is a split in the fanbase and two clubs are setup, Coventry AFC and AFC Coventry. Both play at the Butts, 5K don't bother with either but each club has 2.5K attending, which club is Coventry City under your rules?
2012/13 average attendance was 10,906 2013/14 average attendance was 2,287.Did all fans migrate to Northampton
Look, we've had this argument plenty of times in the past, and it's an utterly stupid one. Nobody has the power to liquidate CCFC bar SISU. The reason we don't have a rival Coventry City at this point in time is because there would be no appetite for it.
However, it's utterly stupid to then say there is no appetite for a Coventry City FC. Nobody, I repeat nobody, has the right to tell somebody else what they can and can't support. Nobody had the right to stop people going to Northampton, or to not watch because the way SISU have run the club has alienated them.
Likewise, nobody has the right to tell people what they would be watching would not be Coventry City, if the cultural conditions are in place.
Nobody is saying they do. What do you think SISU will do if Wasps continue to refuse talks and we lose our place in the FL, keep Coventry City going out of their undying love for the club?Nobody has the power to liquidate CCFC bar SISU.
Nobody has said there is no appetite for Coventry City to continue, what has been said is that some people seem to think liquidation is a viable option to enable regime change and that the club would, at worse, be back in the FL within a couple of seasons. That will not happen no matter how much some people wish it.However, it's utterly stupid to then say there is no appetite for a Coventry City FC.
Nobody has said that either.Nobody, I repeat nobody, has the right to tell somebody else what they can and can't support. Nobody had the right to stop people going to Northampton, or to not watch because the way SISU have run the club has alienated them.
Again nobody has said otherwise. However if I go and watch Manchester City playing in Sky Blue and announce to everyone I am watching Coventry City it doesn't make it factually correct.Likewise, nobody has the right to tell people what they would be watching would not be Coventry City, if the cultural conditions are in place.
They certainly didn't on the outset of this thread. And there certainly isn't an appetite for that to deserve bringing it into this thread. It's a non-starter.what has been said is that some people seem to think liquidation is a viable option to enable regime change
A lot of the 'facts' on this board = bollocks.factually correct
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