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johnniericoh · May 24, 2011

I still can't get my head around the principle and ethics of the current loan player system.

Obviously in theory it is a route for "wealthier" clubs to obtain the srevices of better players, namely Premier League reserves, without the initial transfer outlay but with the risk of breaking respective club wage stuctures.

Leicester and Cardiff milked this system big time - look where it got them, still in the same league as CCFC.

Having obtained these loan players I seriously question their respective allegience and loyalty that is more prevelant in fully purchased players. Loan players to me are journymen "only here for the beer" merchants here for one season gone for the next at best.

It makes me cringe when they kiss the badge in mock loyalty knowing they will not be around for very long and then the whole cycle starts again.

I know there is a numerical cap on the maximum number of loanees per club (five I believe per playing squad) but that number alone represents half of a starting eleven.

What do others think??

PUSB

We'll_live_and_die · May 24, 2011

I think that getting in good loan players is great. Look at Henderson when he was here. He served our club well. You are loyal to your employers and that would be the loan club. I see nothing wrong with boosting the team with Loanees in attempt to reach higher climbs and as such earn more money to invest in the squad as permanent transfers.

rob9872 · May 24, 2011

If a loan player that you otherwise couldn't afford, can enhance or improve what you currently have available, then it would be foolish not to take that option.

Loyalty is not the issue imo as they either want to prove that they can compete when they return to their parent club or put themself in the shop window for a transfer. For me the problem is more that some of the players we have taken were great prospects but not yet ready for the Premiership but also not even the Championship. We are not a training ground for the big boys, but if we are to use that route then we need some of the more established ones. At City I thought Henderson was good from the off where as PVA is a good player now but struggled imo.

Cork was one of the better ones, but matured with us and was much better at the end. I would take him in a heartbeat now, but when we first had him he was not great and a bit lightweight. Therefore I think if it's used wisely it can be good but not to saturate the league at the expense of alternatives.

covcity4life · May 24, 2011

theres a place for it,but not to be relied upon

pacheco/lanbury worked for nowich

van aanholt/yakubu perhaps didnt

some loan players do care,look at waghorn at fester

id like to see us draft 1-3 prem players if we could

CovKingChris · May 24, 2011

You saw Aidy Hoofroyd use it at Watford when he got Adam Johnson Ben Foster etc on loan which boosted their promotion hopes.

skybluesteve76 · May 24, 2011

The only loanee I can remember working for us is Stevie Warnock. I don't remember Henderson doing much, as for cork.....rubbish.
I think loans should only be bought in by clubs if they are gonna be first choice players. Weve had players like Hines, cork, sears, ward, pva that are just not good enough. If there not gonna play then why loan them. Look at Ramsey going to forest, he never played!

kg82 · May 24, 2011

skybluesteve76 said:
The only loanee I can remember working for us is Stevie Warnock. I don't remember Henderson doing much, as for cork.....rubbish.
I think loans should only be bought in by clubs if they are gonna be first choice players. Weve had players like Hines, cork, sears, ward, pva that are just not good enough. If there not gonna play then why loan them. Look at Ramsey going to forest, he never played!

WHAT?! Henderson was quality! Loans are fine, I don't see the problem. Loans have been going on for years and teams use them to their advantage - good for them. It was loans that got Blues up a few years ago. Just use the system.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · May 24, 2011

skybluesteve76 said:
The only loanee I can remember working for us is Stevie Warnock. I don't remember Henderson doing much, as for cork.....rubbish.
I think loans should only be bought in by clubs if they are gonna be first choice players. Weve had players like Hines, cork, sears, ward, pva that are just not good enough. If there not gonna play then why loan them. Look at Ramsey going to forest, he never played!

Henderson was good before an injury shortened his time here, Van Aanholt did a good job at LB before Coleman tried to coach all the attacking out of him. Cork was not good enough when he joined us but gave us some squad depth when there were injuries in the squad

skybluesteve76 · May 24, 2011

Just my opinion guys

tippex9 · May 24, 2011

There's bound to be success and failure with loan signings. My issue is broke teams like Cardiff or mega rich teams like The Vermin abusing the system for instant success. The system should be limited to under 23's or proven emergencies only.

Players who need development and experience. Look at Cardiff, if all their loan signings go back then they're threadbare. We had no money and survived with no loans for majority of season.

How is Yakubu and Bellamy deals constructive to anyone but money men trying to win at all costs. Everytime a deal like this happens a permanent position for another player goes begging. This could be a talented striker from lower leagues just waiting for his chance but it goes to someone who's seen their best years.

The league need to clamp down on this but I'm sure the in house back slapping and shoulder rubbing will mean the crooks keep on working the system.

Nick · May 24, 2011

How can you say Yakubu didn't work? He was firing them in at Leicester.

We'll_live_and_die · May 24, 2011

Nick said:
How can you say Yakubu didn't work? He was firing them in at Leicester.

More like poking them in, but he was always in the right place at the right time.

rob9872 · May 24, 2011

11 in 20 for Yakubu is not a bad record, but playing a level below where many feel he is at is not the greatest return when you consider that included a couple of hat-tricks and therefore plenty of games he failed to score in. He's a decent player but for a reported £80k p/w at this level you would expect more, particularly when they spent a lot of money on other players also had Vassell up top with him and still failed ( ) to make the play-offs.

Sky Blue Luke · May 24, 2011

I think you have to have a careful balance, look at Cardiff, they had 6 or 7 loan players at one point in the season...and you're only allowed 5 in the matchday squad! Craig Bellamy, Jason Brown, Stephen Bywater, Jay Emmanuel-Thomas, Jason Koumas, Seyi Olofinjana and Jlloyd Samuel have all gone back to their parent club. They now have a massive job in this transfer window to replace them players, along with Burke & Bothroyd - I make that about 6 starters leaving in the summer.

Saying that, I think we should utilise the loan marker better, getting just a couple of kids from the top 4 (or 6) could really help city with a promotion push.

Disorganised1 · May 24, 2011

I don't think loans are good except as emergency cover.

It disrupts and upsets your current players, who can't get a game ~ at the end of the season (or half way through) they leave and wreck your team selection and playing style ~ they still have an original allegiance to the club that pays their wages. (I won't call it loyalty.)

kg82 · May 24, 2011

I really think people should stop worrying about what other clubs do! They can do what they want and if they feel using the loan market to their advantage is the way they're going to do it then there's nothing anybody else can do about it! As has been pointed out anyway, it's backfired on a couple so why should we be bothered about it? I like that we don't go out and get loans willy nilly, that's good! But I really don't care what other clubs do!

Dan Griffin · May 24, 2011

it's better to do what were doing, use the academy players and pretend there loan players and we benefit most

blueflint · May 24, 2011

i wish people would stop giving bellamy air time he was and still is a complete and utter twt what he did for us was unforgiveale and his comments on leaving even worse

sw88 · May 24, 2011

Cheer up blueflint! Its a forum where ppl come ti air thei views / opinions remember!

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