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[Deleted member 5849]

How did they try to negotiate a new rent payable before they stopped paying the rent?

[ T ]he club are in talks with the Arena Company, which owns the new stadium, with a view to lowering the £1 million rent to £500,000 while they are in the Championship and rising to £1.5m if and when the club gain promotion.

June 2006 that. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/money-not-in-question-3125808 Result? No movement.

How have CCC pushed for all out war?

See previous posts. John Mutton in particular has been very vocal in the past about how he'd deal with anybody bar a Mayfair hedge fund. I don't want an ideological, political struggleplayed out over my football club. If it came to the politics, side me with the socialists every time. If it comes to using the club for a victory by either socialists or capitalists... I'm out.

SISU wanted a lower rent. They got offered a lower rent.

SISU got told negotiations were at an end, and in the Trust's Q&A were for abitration, whereas ACL were against.

SISU wanted an even lower rent. They got offered an even lower rent.

SISU got disengenuous offers that weren't offers put through the media. To deny this is as ridiculous as to deny SISU have tendencies to destructive all-out war as, ultimately, the club is an investment to them, not an emotional beast.

They got offered rent free this season and only 100k the next two seasons. The SISU reply was ACL hadn't offered them the deal. Pushing the truth to the limit as the offer was made to them through the FL so the offer could be proved. IMHO the offer was done through the FL as SISU had said that part of the JR was for being forced out of the Ricoh.

So why, oh why was that also not made directly to them? Sure, it's good to prove the offer exists, but to prove it exists it has to be made directly too! When the football league then wash their hands and say it's a matter between club and landlord... it's the responsibility to make it directly to the club. SISU are evil? Fine. That doesn't stop people insisting things are done properly to prove SISU are evil, in order to prove their evilness as opposed to giving them ammunition, does it? As an example of 'proper behavious', for example, you could see the current Trust chairman's approach in recent weeks. What, ultimately, gives you confidence in who should be custodians of our club, who should side with? I don't want people who play dirty tricks in charge... whatever dirty tricks they are. It's disgusting, and should be roundly condemned from whatever side.

All out war from CCC?

Yes. See Mutton using the club as a political crusade. SISU don't have the monopoly in farcical, bungling behaviour.

 

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[Godiva]

Yes.......valuation for the freehold and nothing else. One of the main reasons why we are playing in Northampton. Why would they be wanting valuations done for a rental agreement?

Timothy did once say that a rental agreement could be agreed on. Covering his arse maybe for when they lose the JR and appeals as otherwise they would have to build that stadium.

Ah - let me be more clear: When the club takes over ACL they also want to negotiate and extend ACL's long lease.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

That was spin!
And I think this is the third or fourth time I say that.

Sorry, I've missed any previous admissions. That's quite a situation though, as it would mean that the club wasted everyone's time seeking something they were never interested in; and upon this premise took the club away from it's home city.

Now, elsewhere in this thread, Mutton's Mutterings were mentioned. The claims with regards the way Fisher negotiated with Higgs over their share are out there. Any negotiation can only be successful if both parties are empowered and candid. Is it any wonder, given the admission at the start of this thread - that people lost patience with SISU, and would make statements such as those attributed to Mutton?

 

[Matty_CCFC]

According to our very own KM northampton locals are boosting the sixfields crowd considerably.

Anyone care to call our kev a liar?

Of course locals go, just like the true numbers in Sixfields is false

 

[Godiva]

When they were in formal negotiations they were offered a rent of £400k p/a with a little concession on food and beverage income. This was stated as the 'best and final offer'.

Negotiations broke down and SISU went down the alternative road of agreeing a deal with Northampton. It was only after that that an indirect offer of paying a much smaller rent was made.

Personally, I think neither side has any real credibility.

I may remember wrong, but I think
- first offer was 'no deal'
- second offer was '800K plus matchday expenses'
- third offer was '400k plus matchday expenses'
- fourth offer was '400k incl matchday expense'


then 150k plus expenses, 15k per match etc. etc.
There has been so many offers, but their sole purpose were always in expectation of a 'no thank you very much' - it was nothing but spin.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Is it any wonder, given the admission at the start of this thread - that people lost patience with SISU, and would make statements such as those attributed to Mutton?

And turning around, is it any wonder that the club becomes unco-operative and impossible to deal with, when coming up against the likes of Mutton?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[dongonzalos]

There were 700 there yesterday.

Glad you are finally putting your own name to this ridiculous claim

 

[sky blue john]

I think they have reduced rent offers as a consequence of previous (failed) negotiations. But that's
beside the point really.
Sisu will not let the club back before any agreement on a sale is finalized. The obvious reason is that moving the club back will increase the value of ACL. That would make ACL more expensive to buy.

And they can't put in any offer as there have been no valuation ... no due diligence.

Your last two lines are bollux !
They can put an offer in based on conditions. You can't tell me Sisu don't have an idea how much they will pay ?
It would save a lot of time if they did put their best offer in i'm sure it would be laughed at by everyone !!!!!!

 

[skybluefred]

No it isn't. Most in the ground are kitted out in Coventry scarves, shirts etc. and the car parks are pretty full. I didn't see any evidence of that and I came across a fair few fans that used to go to the Ricoh.

With a near capacity crowd of 1900 the car parks where pretty full.Is that the first joke you have ever cracked,
or is it a downright lie?

 

[torchomatic]

There's only one car park and it's pretty small, nothing like the ones at the Ricoh. Not rocket science really.

With a near capacity crowd of 1900 the car parks where pretty full.Is that the first joke you have ever cracked,
or is it a downright lie?

 

[Grendel]

With a near capacity crowd of 1900 the car parks where pretty full.Is that the first joke you have ever cracked,
or is it a downright lie?

No its the truth - its 35 miles away so you can't walk there. Only £4 though and at least my money didn't go to ACL.

 

[Spionkop]

Torchy says......"I won't apologise for highlighting your disgusting attitude towards those who attend Sixfields though."

And I say, I'll continue to express my opinion that anyone attending Sixfields is very wrong and doing long term damage to the club. Rolling over for Sisu. Why the Sixfielders don't even raise a whimper of protest, despite the protestations of some that they were going to. Just carry on Torchy, as is your right. Go along with people who don't give a damn about our club. But, heigh ho, long as you can see the lads.

 

[Godiva]

Your last two lines are bollux !
They can put an offer in based on conditions. You can't tell me Sisu don't have an idea how much they will pay ?
It would save a lot of time if they did put their best offer in i'm sure it would be laughed at by everyone !!!!!!

Only the last two lines? I must be getting better then.

And on, they will need a valuation to make a bid. They will need to know the assets and liabilities, the contracts ... the works before they can make any meaningful offer.

They even want the findings of the independent valuations made public. Surely that show they are not trying to offer way less than the actual value?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

And turning around, is it any wonder that the club becomes unco-operative and impossible to deal with, when coming up against the likes of Mutton?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Two points; firstly - an I acknowledge that Mutton is a fool - you have to bear in mind that by the time anyone in the council stated anything such as that; they could well have been sick and tired with Fisher and his posturing. Wise in him saying it? No. Understandable in the context of repeated Fisherisms? Maybe so.

Second point being that even if Mutton was being a roadblock, without reason; and SISU were being as good as gold - as I stated above, it only needs a candid explanation to us fans with regards the viability of the club within the context of the current business model to get people kicking in councillors doors to enforce a sale.

Imagine: 'We cannot play football in Coventry with this current business model; so we need the council to sanction the sale of their share in ACL to build a better business. To that end, we've offered 'xyz' to a view to a successful negotiation, etc'. This, as an open letter in the Telegraph.

That would have everyone - rightfully - demanding resolution.

There are no council lovers on here. I bloody hate councils, and their pumped-up, obnoxious, odious, representatives. However, where I've always been in stark divergence with SISU is their methods of achieving a laudable outcome; probably as a function as me wanting what's best for my football club, and they wanting what's best for their investors - and any collateral damage to the football club in achieving such being deemed 'acceptable', provided the end-game is agreeeable

 

[sky blue john]

Only the last two lines? I must be getting better then.

And on, they will need a valuation to make a bid. They will need to know the assets and liabilities, the contracts ... the works before they can make any meaningful offer.

They even want the findings of the independent valuations made public. Surely that show they are not trying to offer way less than the actual value?

Yes i agreed with the rest of your comments in that particular post don't be so surprised
But i'm also sceptical with Sisu's timing and i wouldn't be surprised if it was just a fishing expedition for the JR.

 

[torchomatic]

OK, you're not Kev Monks but you could be SBK.'''

Anyway, who says all those who attend Sixfields don't give a damn? And, as I've said to you before, stop being a coward on a forum. Go and stand outside Sixfields and have the balls to be vile to people's faces? Are you going to that or not? Or are you despite your holier than thou attitude going to bottle it? We've got a game Wednesday. I'll see you on the way in then.

Torchy says......"I won't apologise for highlighting your disgusting attitude towards those who attend Sixfields though."

And I say, I'll continue to express my opinion that anyone attending Sixfields is very wrong and doing long term damage to the club. Rolling over for Sisu. Why the Sixfielders don't even raise a whimper of protest, despite the protestations of some that they were going to. Just carry on Torchy, as is your right. Go along with people who don't give a damn about our club. But, heigh ho, long as you can see the lads.

 

[Godiva]

Yes i agreed with the rest of your comments in that particular post don't be so surprised 
But i'm also sceptical with Sisu's timing and i wouldn't be surprised if it was just a fishing expedition for the JR.

But I wonder why ccc haven't taken up on the invitation? It could even lead to sisu dropping the JR - why else would ML bring up the JR and the independent valuation in the same sentence?

SBA asked what would happen if SISU won the JR. ML said that he felt the Club had a very strong case but pointed out that one can never predict the outcome of any litigation with 100% certainty. The consequences for CCC and key individuals there of an adverse outcome in the JR are likely to be very serious; ML continues to be baffled by CCC's refusal to have a sensible discussion about the sale of the Ricoh to the Club it was built for, on the basis of an independent valuation.

Read more at http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...eting-270214-1385635.aspx#4OZ5hf6FifII3hLH.99

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[Grendel]

OK, you're not Kev Monks but you could be SBK.'''

Anyway, who says all those who attend Sixfields don't give a damn? And, as I've said to you before, stop being a coward on a forum. Go and stand outside Sixfields and have the balls to be vile to people's faces? Are you going to that or not? Or are you despite your holier than thou attitude going to bottle it? We've got a game Wednesday. I'll see you on the way in then.

What I don't understand is if the likes of Spoinkop, Ron dongle etc feel so strongly why not go in and protest.

They can refuse to look at the game, wave banners, hurl abuse at the appeasers.

Spoinkop I went to watch the game so I'm not doing your dirty work do it yourself. I'm hoping I can make the Mk Dons game - perhaps see you there.

 

[torchomatic]

He can't hide behind his keyboard in the real world. I'm sure he wouldn't be so contemptible to peoples' faces.

What I don't understand is if the likes of Spoinkop, Ron dongle etc feel so strongly why not go in and protest.

They can refuse to look at the game, wave banners, hurl abuse at the appeasers.

Spoinkop I went to watch the game so I'm not doing your dirty work do it yourself. I'm hoping I can make the Mk Dons game - perhaps see you there.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Two points; firstly - an I acknowledge that Mutton is a fool - you have to bear in mind that by the time anyone in the council stated anything such as that; they could well have been sick and tired with Fisher and his posturing. Wise in him saying it? No. Understandable in the context of repeated Fisherisms? Maybe so.

Maybe not too. This is where I have a problem... and where I'm glad you start with the first part of that sentence as it reassures me much as there is often a need to qualify statements by saying Labovitch in particular seems on a mission to antagonise. It's not inconceivable they're all as bad as each other. It's not inconceivable that the entirely appropriate act to see movement towards resolution should have been Mutton disappearing...much as it would probably be helpful if Labovitch disappeared too, if he's going to go for the belligerent cock approach.

Second point being that even if Mutton was being a roadblock, without reason; and SISU were being as good as gold - as I stated above, it only needs a candid explanation to us fans with regards the viability of the club within the context of the current business model to get people kicking in councillors doors to enforce a sale.

They did start off along that path though, and although typical of all our tendencies to apathy, they ended up with Save Our City and coffins. Given we all spend our time bickering on here rather than doing things (nope, I can't get to the Trust's open meeting tonight ) it's hard to believe we'd suddenly find passion for a pro-club crusade, in return. The sentiment has shifted to anti SISU, ironically, about when they addressed the fundamental issues they should have addressed straight up - but fans can get soft soaped by a signing or two, and a bit of good business sense when negotiating transfer deals, and dismissing the issue of the stadium/ACL as irrelevant.

There are no council lovers on here. I bloody hate councils, and their pumped-up, obnoxious, odious, representatives.

I hope that doesn't include their employees

However, where I've always been in stark divergence with SISU is their methods of achieving a laudable outcome; probably as a function as me wanting what's best for my football club, and they wanting what's best for their investors - and any collateral damage to the football club in achieving such being deemed 'acceptable', provided the end-game is agreeeable

This is where I risk the tl;dr.

I don't think anybody wants the club moved. I can understand why it might be neededas a threat and, having been made, why it may have to then be carried out if you're to take anything they say seriously in the future. I was convinced it'd be half a dozen games to make a point, however, and then a way forward would be found... 'we'll be finished by Christmas' as it were. The longer game proves harder to raise peoples' passions to keep it in the public eye, as we see. It then becomes dangerous... not that it comes back eventually - at some point a colub will be back, and it *will* capture the imagination of some if it returns (see Brighton etc.) The hellish scenario is it returns next season, the current lot of us are too worn down to be bothered to action to make it worth it returning... and the future lot haven't been without a football club for long enough to notice it's an event.

The last half of your sentence is the difficult one as well. Absolutely, undoubtedly, I don't care about SISU's investors. If anybody makes an investment in a football club to make money, they deserve to make a loss and, for the good of football full stop, it's probably helpful if they *do* make a loss... whichever club, as it stops predetory profit motives in the future.

As for the end game being agreeable, if that is in the context of your first half a sentence then again, yes, absolutely. A club should be for itself, not for anyone else. A club is about more than a place in the league, and a plot of land. A club is about roots.

I don't think you'll get anybody denying much of what is wrong wih SISU. The problem is, it often descends into an 'ah, the council did this' tp be countered with a 'well, SISU did *that*' which is a bit school playground really (and in the interests of balance, if certain posters are about, it entirely goes the other way, too!).

It shouldn't be carte blanche to allow one side to dictate terms based on the actions of the past, however. We are where we are, and there is power to make the club central in many peoples' thoughts.

If we choose that line.

 

[Astute]

What I don't understand is if the likes of Spoinkop, Ron dongle etc feel so strongly why not go in and protest.

They can refuse to look at the game, wave banners, hurl abuse at the appeasers.

Spoinkop I went to watch the game so I'm not doing your dirty work do it yourself. I'm hoping I can make the Mk Dons game - perhaps see you there.

Because most of us feel as strongly as you said you did all season and will never go in there for any reason. The difference is most of us mean it.

 

[wingy]

Maybe not too. This is where I have a problem... and where I'm glad you start with the first part of that sentence as it reassures me much as there is often a need to qualify statements by saying Labovitch in particular seems on a mission to antagonise. It's not inconceivable they're all as bad as each other. It's not inconceivable that the entirely appropriate act to see movement towards resolution should have been Mutton disappearing...much as it would probably be helpful if Labovitch disappeared too, if he's going to go for the belligerent cock approach.

Why do you think SOC evolved??



They did start off along that path though, and although typical of all our tendencies to apathy, they ended up with Save Our City and coffins. Given we all spend our time bickering on here rather than doing things (nope, I can't get to the Trust's open meeting tonight ) it's hard to believe we'd suddenly find passion for a pro-club crusade, in return. The sentiment has shifted to anti SISU, ironically, about when they addressed the fundamental issues they should have addressed straight up - but fans can get soft soaped by a signing or two, and a bit of good business sense when negotiating transfer deals, and dismissing the issue of the stadium/ACL as irrelevant.



I hope that doesn't include their employees



This is where I risk the tl;dr.

I don't think anybody wants the club moved. I can understand why it might be neededas a threat and, having been made, why it may have to then be carried out if you're to take anything they say seriously in the future. I was convinced it'd be half a dozen games to make a point, however, and then a way forward would be found... 'we'll be finished by Christmas' as it were. The longer game proves harder to raise peoples' passions to keep it in the public eye, as we see. It then becomes dangerous... not that it comes back eventually - at some point a colub will be back, and it *will* capture the imagination of some if it returns (see Brighton etc.) The hellish scenario is it returns next season, the current lot of us are too worn down to be bothered to action to make it worth it returning... and the future lot haven't been without a football club for long enough to notice it's an event.

The last half of your sentence is the difficult one as well. Absolutely, undoubtedly, I don't care about SISU's investors. If anybody makes an investment in a football club to make money, they deserve to make a loss and, for the good of football full stop, it's probably helpful if they *do* make a loss... whichever club, as it stops predetory profit motives in the future.

As for the end game being agreeable, if that is in the context of your first half a sentence then again, yes, absolutely. A club should be for itself, not for anyone else. A club is about more than a place in the league, and a plot of land. A club is about roots.

I don't think you'll get anybody denying much of what is wrong wih SISU. The problem is, it often descends into an 'ah, the council did this' tp be countered with a 'well, SISU did *that*' which is a bit school playground really (and in the interests of balance, if certain posters are about, it entirely goes the other way, too!).

It shouldn't be carte blanche to allow one side to dictate terms based on the actions of the past, however. We are where we are, and there is power to make the club central in many peoples' thoughts.

If we choose that line.

EDIT; don't know what happened there ,Why do you think SOC evolved ??

 

[Nick]

What I don't understand is if the likes of Spoinkop, Ron dongle etc feel so strongly why not go in and protest.

They can refuse to look at the game, wave banners, hurl abuse at the appeasers.

Spoinkop I went to watch the game so I'm not doing your dirty work do it yourself. I'm hoping I can make the Mk Dons game - perhaps see you there.

To be fair to the people on the hill they are still there every week in the rain and awful wind. It is the people who say "people in the ground should be doing......" and "i walked past tim fisher and people were talking to him, they should be doing......".

 

[sky blue john]

But I wonder why ccc haven't taken up on the invitation? It
could even lead to sisu dropping the JR - why else would ML bring up the JR and the independent valuation in the same sentence?

SBA asked what would happen if SISU won the JR. ML said that he felt the Club had a very strong case but pointed out that one can never predict the outcome of any litigation with 100% certainty. The consequences for CCC and key individuals there of an adverse outcome in the JR are likely to be very serious; ML continues to be baffled by CCC's refusal to have a sensible discussion about the sale of the Ricoh to the Club it was built for, on the basis of an independent valuation.

Read more at http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...eting-270214-1385635.aspx#4OZ5hf6FifII3hLH.99

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Could the reason be that they are happy for the JR to go ahead because they haven't done anything wrong ?
Maybe they don't appreciate Sisu's bullying tactics !
Maybe they have been down this road with Sisu already and have found their games tiresome ?

 

[wingy]

To be fair to the people on the hill they are still there every week in the rain and awful wind. It is the people who say "people in the ground should be doing......" and "i walked past tim fisher and people were talking to him, they should be doing......".

EVen Pressleys referred to the Wind ,He even joked maybe there are machines In the Back of the Stands .

 

[Nick]

Could the reason be that they are happy for the JR to go ahead because they haven't done anything wrong ?
Maybe they don't appreciate Sisu's bullying tactics !
Maybe they have been down this road with Sisu already and have found their games tiresome ?

How true was it about the CVA that a condition for them to accept was for the JR to be dropped or just rumour??

 

[Grendel]

Because most of us feel as strongly as you said you did all season and will never go in there for any reason. The difference is most of us mean it.

There is one difference though and that is I have consistently never said that supporters should not go.

I'm glad I went and I wish i had gone earlier. Oh and lets dispell another misconception namely that fans will lose interest. Several games this season I have not listened to and did not even know there was a game on occasions. I was disenfranchised. Of I'm honest I didn't enjoy the early part of the game either. The ground seems to attract a sub zero wind chill and I was sitting with the type of negative fans I cannot stand. Slagging off the Arsenal guy and saying murphy was shocking. I moved and the fans there were supportive and totally focused. I just then could have been anywhere.

Logistics mean I won't go every week and mid week games are out. However I'm regretting my decision as I've missed out. Once the game starts you just get into it and that's ultimately all that counts.

I would think every supporter wants to get back to Coventry and deplores the situation but ultimately its my leisure persuit and to not go is pointless especially as fans ultimately are more than happy to bung money in sisu's hands if its Arsenal away.

 

[Astute]

How true was it about the CVA that a condition for them to accept was for the JR to be dropped or just rumour??

Or stop trying to bully us and you can have us back you?

 

[Astute]

There is one difference though and that is I have consistently never said that supporters should not go.

I'm glad I went and I wish i had gone earlier. Oh and lets dispell another misconception namely that fans will lose interest. Several games this season I have not listened to and did not even know there was a game on occasions. I was disenfranchised. Of I'm honest I didn't enjoy the early part of the game either. The ground seems to attract a sub zero wind chill and I was sitting with the type of negative fans I cannot stand. Slagging off the Arsenal guy and saying murphy was shocking. I moved and the fans there were supportive and totally focused. I just then could have been anywhere.

Logistics mean I won't go every week and mid week games are out. However I'm regretting my decision as I've missed out. Once the game starts you just get into it and that's ultimately all that counts.

I would think every supporter wants to get back to Coventry and deplores the situation but ultimately its my leisure persuit and to not go is pointless especially as fans ultimately are more than happy to bung money in sisu's hands if its Arsenal away.

Fans have lost interest. Gates are well down from the start of the season. These are the ones that were willing to go to Northampton. And not all of us went to the Arsenal game. I had a ticket bought for me. It was by someone that I have gone to games for years with. Ultimately it was thousands of peoples leisure pursuit. But like I have said it is up to you on whether you go or not. Nothing to do with anyone on here. But it is also nothing to do with anyone on here about people not wanting or not willing to go to Northampton but wanting to go to games like Arsenal. It works both ways.

There is too much shit said on here. Too many comments backing up SISU whatever they do. Too many comments backing up the council whatever. Neither side have acted perfectly, but one side would love to have all of this sorted. The other side would love to make many millions for their investors. All I want is what is best for my football club. I have my views. I have not seen anything to make me change my mind. 99% of us agree it is all about making money for their investors and that our club comes last. And now the crap that came out of the last forum that we all agreed was nothing but bad news is being used to show SISU are the ones being bullied by Godiva

 

[Steve.B50]

I wonder how many actual Cov fans are there.

Between away fans, locals. The free tickets that count in the attendance but may not actually be used.

I think 500 season tickets were sold.

Would if be fair to say maybe another 100-200 non season ticket holders?

I have stood on the Hill almost every game this season, sometimes I wonder why I do it as it's was a very cold one Sunday. We can see two thirds of the pitch and the whole of the main stand ( and away stand) from the top corner of the hill. When we move round at half time we can see the other third and the small City stand behind the goal. From experience we have an idea of what the gate is, not accurate but a basic idea and the car parks give us a little more concept of how many are inside.
I would honestly estimate that against Carlisle that was the lowest ever at around 1000 in stand, we thought around100 away fans and around 130 in the small stand. Against Shrewsbury the only difference was the away stand that looked around 300, ( they brought two coaches).
The car parks were very empty at both games, they man the car parks till 10 mins before kick off then walk down to ground, we are sometimes Late on the hill as we wait for them to leave then park up right by the hill for free.
We talk to lots of other fans as some know us, no hassles just general chatting ect, everyone can make a choice and mine is obvious.
What I will say is that it seems there are very few regulars who walk past us on the hill on way in or out, the ST holders who go every week must park up early and go inside well before ko time. We often talk to people from the Northants area who have no problem telling us they are given free tickets, on Sunday we even met three Americans who were working in area and been given free tickets on Friday night in there hotel.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Maybe not too. This is where I have a problem... and where I'm glad you start with the first part of that sentence as it reassures me much as there is often a need to qualify statements by saying Labovitch in particular seems on a mission to antagonise. It's not inconceivable they're all as bad as each other. It's not inconceivable that the entirely appropriate act to see movement towards resolution should have been Mutton disappearing...much as it would probably be helpful if Labovitch disappeared too, if he's going to go for the belligerent cock approach.



They did start off along that path though, and although typical of all our tendencies to apathy, they ended up with Save Our City and coffins. Given we all spend our time bickering on here rather than doing things (nope, I can't get to the Trust's open meeting tonight ) it's hard to believe we'd suddenly find passion for a pro-club crusade, in return. The sentiment has shifted to anti SISU, ironically, about when they addressed the fundamental issues they should have addressed straight up - but fans can get soft soaped by a signing or two, and a bit of good business sense when negotiating transfer deals, and dismissing the issue of the stadium/ACL as irrelevant.



I hope that doesn't include their employees



This is where I risk the tl;dr.

I don't think anybody wants the club moved. I can understand why it might be neededas a threat and, having been made, why it may have to then be carried out if you're to take anything they say seriously in the future. I was convinced it'd be half a dozen games to make a point, however, and then a way forward would be found... 'we'll be finished by Christmas' as it were. The longer game proves harder to raise peoples' passions to keep it in the public eye, as we see. It then becomes dangerous... not that it comes back eventually - at some point a colub will be back, and it *will* capture the imagination of some if it returns (see Brighton etc.) The hellish scenario is it returns next season, the current lot of us are too worn down to be bothered to action to make it worth it returning... and the future lot haven't been without a football club for long enough to notice it's an event.

The last half of your sentence is the difficult one as well. Absolutely, undoubtedly, I don't care about SISU's investors. If anybody makes an investment in a football club to make money, they deserve to make a loss and, for the good of football full stop, it's probably helpful if they *do* make a loss... whichever club, as it stops predetory profit motives in the future.

As for the end game being agreeable, if that is in the context of your first half a sentence then again, yes, absolutely. A club should be for itself, not for anyone else. A club is about more than a place in the league, and a plot of land. A club is about roots.

I don't think you'll get anybody denying much of what is wrong wih SISU. The problem is, it often descends into an 'ah, the council did this' tp be countered with a 'well, SISU did *that*' which is a bit school playground really (and in the interests of balance, if certain posters are about, it entirely goes the other way, too!).

It shouldn't be carte blanche to allow one side to dictate terms based on the actions of the past, however. We are where we are, and there is power to make the club central in many peoples' thoughts.

If we choose that line.

Deleted member 5849 that post is truly wise.

 

[stupot07]

Then it was all about the pie money. They got offered pie money.

They didn't offer the pie money, they offered to cross invoice it for the purpose of FFP.


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[Moff]

Just carry on Torchy, as is your right. Go along with people who don't give a damn about our club. But, heigh ho, long as you can see the lads.

What a pathetic comment.

I dont go, but respect that some people see it differently and choose to, as they want to support the team.

They clearly do give a damn about the club as do the fans who dont go. Its morons like you who cant respect the fact that people choose to support the club in different ways, and childishly snipe at fellow fans who like the rest of us didnt choose to move to Northampton.

 

[duffer]

Sisu are not going back as tenants - not even short term.
By playing at sixfields ACL will not be distressed. But surely the value of the company is less than if played there - so the price would in logic sense be lower with us at sixfields.

Sisu have already supported the club once this season (just before the January window) and is probably now just waiting for the result of the JR.
They are doing exactly what they want and I don't see any effect of any applied pressure, be it sisu-out-campaign, NOPM or KCIC.

We don't know who ARVO are exactly - they could easily be sisu or part-sisu for all we know. But they are prime contenders to take over if sisu should decide to leave. So sisu-out could lead to sisu-in.

So when considering how much more pressure can be put on sisu, think about what could happen if the pressure works. It could be a very empty victory. The worst thing that can happen is sisu building a low scale stadium without the revenue potential of ACL. In the long term that will root the club to the lower leagues pretty much forever.

They say they want to buy ACL and a very long lease on the basis of two independent valuation. CCC says no.
So if we the fans aim are serious about wanting the club back to the Ricoh and to have the FFP power to compete for places in Premier League, we need to look at CCC and have them change their mind.

Can we just be clear here - the Council does not have a controlling interest in ACL. I can't understand why there's so much confusion around this. They can't wind up or sell ACL all on their own. You're asking the council to do something that they simply can't do.

You're also conflating the pricing of ACL and a long lease for what SISU were requesting for the freehold (two valuations, etc). As a private company, ACL can value themselves at what they wish - a fair price is one at which they wish to sell, should they wish to sell.

Again, SISU had the opportunity to buy 50% of ACL, but walked away.

Anyway, politely, I think there's a reversal of logic here.

Because SISU say they won't accept a rental deal (even though it's clearly financially in the best interests of the club), you're saying we should pressurise the council to sell.

I think, politely, that's all backwards. For the good of the club we should pressure SISU to return to the Ricoh, and then negotiate on everything else. If there's no deal that can then be found with regard to access to income streams, sale of freehold, ACL, long lease, etc etc., then the club should just press on and build the new stadium if it genuinely makes better financial sense.

(Also, fwiw, I see ARVO as just an extension of SISU - I can't see that they'd let a third party that they do not control having a complete hold on the club. It's just a mechanism to allow them to retain the club in the event of Administration, as already demonstrated. In my opinion, that is.)

 

[chiefdave]

Anyway, who says all those who attend Sixfields don't give a damn?

So far the only protest I've heard about at Sixfields is 2 women holding up the Why? signs, hardly seems like those attending are raging against SISU! People have to make up their own mind if they are going to attend or not but I have to say I do find the lack of protest and the 'i just want to see the team' line a little frustrating.

Of course those who don't attend Sixfields could go to the games and protest but that kind of defeats the object of not going and the question that gets asked is why are those attending not protesting and there hasn't really been an answer to that. If it's because they feel SISU are in the right then come out and say it, if they don't think SISU are in the right then why no protest?

And, as I've said to you before, stop being a coward on a forum. Go and stand outside Sixfields and have the balls to be vile to people's faces?

I can imagine the response on here / CWR / Telegraph if that happened. Look what happened when a Sixfields attendee and non attendee had a pop at each other. Everyone, on both sides, went mental and it got blown totally out of proportion.