clint van damme
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it's been a success in Portugal.
What we're doing now isn't working, we need to try something different. The status quo isn't working.
My opinion is that legalising drugs in the uk will be about as successful as introducing the 24 hour continental pavement drinking culture. More addiction, more people unable to work, more benefits paid out
The status quo isn't working.
I agree. Since Rick Parfitt died it just doesn't work anymore.
it's been a success in Portugal.
What we're doing now isn't working, we need to try something different. The status quo isn't working.
Agreed. That's Portugal though where I suspect sensible drinking is also a success. People in this country want to get fucked up on anything. Booze, smack, bath salts you name it.
it's been a success in Portugal.
My opinion is that legalising drugs in the uk will be about as successful as introducing the 24 hour continental pavement drinking culture. More addiction, more people unable to work, more benefits paid out
That depends what you call "success":
Drug policy of Portugal - Wikipedia
- The number of drug related deaths is now almost on the same level as before the Drug strategy was implemented.
- Reported lifetime use of "all illicit drugs" increased from 7.8% to 12%,
- lifetime use of cannabis increased from 7.6% to 11.7%,
- cocaine use more than doubled, from 0.9% to 1.9%,
- ecstasy nearly doubled from 0.7% to 1.3%, and
- heroin increased from 0.7% to 1.1%
It has hardly been the carnage that it was predicted to be and young people drink less now compared to previous generations. The stereotype of drug users being unable to work and on benefits is lazy as well
Really?? Of all the people I know gripped with heroin addiction not one of them is able to live anything like what I would call a normal life.
Look it's just me but whilst legalising specific drugs may be wise a wholesale surrender seems ludicrous. If you could work on smack, meth or crack then fair play to you
Really?? Of all the people I know gripped with heroin addiction not one of them is able to live anything like what I would call a normal life.
Look it's just me but whilst legalising specific drugs may be wise a wholesale surrender seems ludicrous. If you could work on smack, meth or crack then fair play to you
I was going to reference something similar to Clint above, and you do actually get functioning heroin addicts as well.
One of my best friends was for several years before it all fell apart and he nearly lost everything.
Just because something is legal/decriminalised, wouldn't mean it's really available for anyone to buy.
I don't shout into an echo chamber like you.
No?
In parroting the liberal line that “Portugal’s drug policy is a success” I’d say you’re the classic echo chamber. I spend several months of the year in Portugal. The authorities are not succeeding, they’ve just given up trying to beat it. They’ve capitulated.
Fair point but if it's not readily available to buy wouldn't that defeat the point. I.e would still be a market for people prepared to make it readily available at a price. I mean I'm just thinking out loud I don't have the answer
Can't deny the facts you've quoted. From experience of acquaintances it's the difficulty in constantly getting hold of it and associated withdrawl that got them to quit. If it was easy access they'd still be there because " I enjoyed getting high"
In order for them to have access would mean getting onboard a treatment programme.
I'm not sure how many people's first experience or drugs is something like heroin but you're taking the supply of those softer drugs away from criminals and into the hands of the state. I wonder if this would lead to a reduction in those progressing onto heroin?
How about making it harder to obtain a knife?
Make the selling of knives illegal except to people who legitimately need them.
Make it illegal to sell them online or by mail. Has to be in person.
All knives have to have a serial number and be registered.
Increase the penatlies for carrying one to a huge fine and mandatory jail time.
Increase penalties for selling and distributing them illegally.
Give the public a grace period where they can hand in their knives for some compensation.
It requires political will, which probably isn't there, just like the political will to enforce non-flammable cladding on buildings isn't there.
The sick bastards who know they will only spend a couple of years in jail if caught..Sick bastards. Who does that to a 98 year old?
The sick bastards who know they will only spend a couple of years in jail if caught..
I would support the experiment if restricted to "soft" drugs
The sick bastards who know they will only spend a couple of years in jail if caught..
Don’t let evidence get in the way of your prejudices Grendel. Death sentence never works as a deterrent. It’s a whole set of answers punitive measures along will do nothingAnd have liberal apologists blaming their upbringing - a nice long rope would do the trick
Don’t let evidence get in the way of your prejudices Grendel. Death sentence never works as a deterrent. It’s a whole set of answers punitive measures along will do nothing
It has a 100% record of stopping reoffending though!Death sentence never works as a deterrent.
Don’t let evidence get in the way of your prejudices Grendel. Death sentence never works as a deterrent. It’s a whole set of answers punitive measures along will do nothing
Fair enoughNo let’s put them inside for a few months - then they can come out and do it again.
I can’t say I’m talking deterrent it’s getting rid of some people I don’t want to share the same air with.
I can’t say I’m talking deterrent it’s getting rid of some people I don’t want to share the same air with.
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