Nick
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They won't be made horrible, too many people will cry about the poor souls human rights.
oh i agree
punishment needs to deter people from doing it
that means longer sentences and prison being more of a horrible place to be
They won't be made horrible, too many people will cry about the poor souls human rights.
The poor souls. We should hire some people to give them cuddles.Nick have you been to prison or in a prison. They are hopeless desperate places where people are not valued
Nick have you been to prison or in a prison. They are hopeless desperate places where people are not valued
I don't really care about the rights of criminals, but I do want a penal system that works.
The American prison system is brutal - gangs, rape, murder, the death penalty, they're still full to the brim and reoffending rates are ridiculous which suggests to me that that approach doesn't work.
I'd like criminals to come out of jail and not reoffend, that should be the goal however it's achieved.
Problem with your last sentence as people could then benefit from committing heinous crimes
what do you mean by heinous?
Rape, murder? I'm all in favour of more severe punishments for those crimes.
He did yep and one threw it back in everyone’s facesOne of the Bulger killers definitely benefited from doing what he did
I was actually working near the QPR stadium yesterday and today and some of the areas near there could be mistaken for Damascus.
I’m glad we value each human life only when it suits. Bloody hellI know exactly what you mean. Visit Spon End around school closing time (3.00pm) any afternoon and you'll think you're living in a middle-eastern city. (I mean the real Spon End and not that plastic Disneyland 'Medieval' reconstruction).
Last July I had to visit the dentist around that time and at the junction of Windsor St/Upper Spon St and Barras Lane I found myself completely surrounded by mothers in Yashmaks come to collect their kids from Spon Gate primary school.
Walking home from Morrison's through Spon End most evenings I hear more people speaking Arabic than English.
Absolutely spot on. I think when people kick against the very way of life that has offered them hope and prosperity then they can f@ck off back to wherever they come from. If I visit a church in Italy I cover up because it's what is expected. If I think "sod them, I'll do whatever I like" I shouldn't be there.If they move here they abide by the UK laws and lifestyle. It's as simple as that. If I moved to UAE for example or another country I'd expect to abide by their laws.
Bollocks to the gently don't want to offend approach, the piss would be taken when people know they can get away with it.
If somebody wants to get asylum, build a life and a future for them and their kids while working hard then that's great. If they want to milk the system, live a life of crime or be twats then cheerio.
There's immigration sorted.
How does London "embrace" different cultures ? It's had it thrust upon it for generations and still there is much mistrust and segregation where many areas are populated by groups of the same cultural and religious beliefs at the exclusion of others. What's happening with the stabbings in London is to some extent a reflection of this.No you only imply stuff because if you say what you mean it wouldn’t look great
So by saying it’s like Damascus what do you mean? I don’t want to put words in your mouth.
I think London is unique in its embracing of different cultures. Where it’s similar to many large cities is the abject poverty alongside riches beyond the reach of most of us
How are different cultures in developing countries like London I don’t understand explain let’s discuss
Damascus is a particularly bad example as Syria is currently in its nth year of civil war and is a war zone. Is that what you meant?
Do you live there?How does London "embrace" different cultures ? It's had it thrust upon it for generations and still there is much mistrust and segregation where many areas are populated by groups of the same cultural and religious beliefs at the exclusion of others. What's happening with the stabbings in London is to some extent a reflection of this.
Lived in SW London : Balham, Tooting, Wimbledon for the best part of 10 years. worked in Hammersmith Tower Hamlets and lived in North London for three years prior to this as a student. Do I have proof of what I say or that I lived in London ? Strange question either way.Do you live there?
Any proof of that?
Did I say there aren't many different cultures in London ? As many different races, cultures, religions in London as there are on the planet I reckon.What do you mean that there aren’t many different cultures in London? Grenfell and other communities seem to show different races and cultures can function and embrace one another
Do you mean the "people " of London ? Do the people who live off Kensington High Street actually know where Grenfell Tower is. They probably do now.And doesn’t London embrace them?
It needs to be a tool that can be used so there needs to be a reason to stop someone otherwise it could be deemed discriminatory if all the police stop are black men between 16-20 without good reason.Caught a bit on ITV this morning. Were on about stop and search and they were saying it should be increased, some campaigners were trying to make out it was racist if they targeted certain communities with stop and search.
Surely if stabbings, victims and people doing it are happening more in certain communities then they should be the ones targeted with stop and search more?
This is the issue that will make things tricky, people will cry racism as soon as anybody tries anything like that.
Friends who live in various London boroughs talk of community. You know more than me. It seems that many different cultures coexistDo you mean the "people " of London ? Do the people who live off Kensington High Street actually know where Grenfell Tower is. They probably do now.
You'd think this would be common sense really wouldn't you ? You'd think the police would give Russell Square a miss if the problem was in Tottenham Hale. I watched the debate this morning and although the bloke from the charity who worked with the black community is far more in the know than I am I though he came across as offering nothing new other than we shouldn't do this, we shouldn't do that without offering a solution.Caught a bit on ITV this morning. Were on about stop and search and they were saying it should be increased, some campaigners were trying to make out it was racist if they targeted certain communities with stop and search.
Surely if stabbings, victims and people doing it are happening more in certain communities then they should be the ones targeted with stop and search more?
This is the issue that will make things tricky, people will cry racism as soon as anybody tries anything like that.
It needs to be a tool that can be used so there needs to be a reason to stop someone otherwise it could be deemed discriminatory if all the police stop are black men between 16-20 without good reason.
Then you stop the appropriate people and defend why.It depends. If you are in an area with massive amounts of stabbings between black men between 16-20 what are you meant to do?
The whole worry of being racist will only hinder things if police will have to even think about things like that before stopping somebody in a problem area who fits the description / profile.
Then you stop the appropriate people and defend why.
I think the fact the police should have to "defend" why they stop and search somebody is one of the issues. I've been stopped and searched back in the day, absolutely no issue at all as I didn't have anything on me that I shouldn't.
It should also be based on the area that is being targetted or patrolled by the police. If they are in a known gang London Estate then it is more than likely a high percentage may be non white. If they are walking the beat in a different city it may be that all of the gangs there are white / asian / insert ethnicity here so of course they should be on the lookout for clamping down on people who fit that profile.
the problem was the MET did have massive issues with institutionalised racism, (anyone who's read in any detail about the Stephen Lawrence murder will know).
However, that was years ago, I think they need to step it up again, I think it's inevitable that more black lads will get stopped but more black lads are getting killed so if it saves lives it can only be a good thing surely?
Oh I don't disagree there will be particular bad apples within the police the same as there will be in any walk of life.
It can't stop the police carrying out basics like stop and search though that could get knives and people who would use them off the streets.
Need to be able to target the communities where it is rife without the fear of being called racist.
I agree. The priority has to be stopping people carrying knives and stabbing each other.
If only it is as simple as that. I don't get why these community leader type people start mouthing off trying to protect them and shout racism. Why not work to help address the issues rather than making it harder?
I'm white, if there is some sort of gang warfare by me with mainly white gangs and it means that every so often the police stop me to see if I am up to no good then so be it. If the police stop me and instead of just saying "yeah go for it, on my way home from work but crack on" I say "you do know that this is mistaken identity and I am going to take your number for harassment. I know my rights" then they are more likely to be dicks with me about it.
It's the same as checking bags going into a football match, I'd much rather that everybody's bags were checked to make sure there isn't a bomb in them. I've never took a bomb to football but I have had my bag checked plenty of times and had no issue with it as it's in the interest of safety.
Typical social justice warrior.
In London, where the major problem is, it is mainly young black men from single parent homes that are involved in these stabbings.
The only short term way to end this is to flood the areas with police. These arseholes never think they'll get caught.
But getting stabbed and bombed is part and parcel of living in a big city so don't expect Sadiq to bother trying to fix it.
The guy is only making things worse.
As I've said before, we've got to the point that a good virtue signal gets more of a listen than someone actually speaking uncomfortable truths.
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