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lifeskyblue

lifeskyblue

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Grendel said:
Big Bev is celebrating 30 years inside
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Allitt certainly spent first few years of her sentence in Special Hospital Rampton. Not sure if she still there or moved to a prison


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hamertime

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Death penalty is too easy for lifers. I’d rather they rot in a cell with the constant worry someone is gonna put a pencil in their eye socket.

I know you will always get psychopaths but I think the great failure of modern society is that we don’t feel out children are safe. Wherever i go with young kids is a constant worry they are gonna get snatched or something as know one knows who anyone is anymore, there is no community where everyone looks out for each other as people are so transient. I think the world we live in today is completely fucked up to be honest.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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hamertime said:
Death penalty is too easy for lifers. I’d rather they rot in a cell with the constant worry someone is gonna put a pencil in their eye socket.

I know you will always get psychopaths but I think the great failure of modern society is that we don’t feel out children are safe. Wherever i go with young kids is a constant worry they are gonna get snatched or something as know one knows who anyone is anymore, there is no community where everyone looks out for each other as people are so transient. I think the world we live in today is completely fucked up to be honest.
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I don't think it's any worse now than its ever been.
Children murdered by strangers is a rare occurrence in this country but I think we get far more of an insight into these cases now which can be quite unsettling. .

The report I was listening to on the way home was very in depth and a hard listen.
 
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hamertime

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clint van damme said:
I don't think it's any worse now than its ever been.
Children murdered by strangers is a rare occurrence in this country but I think we get far more of an insight into these cases now which can be quite unsettling. .

The report I was listening to on the way home was very in depth and a hard listen.
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Disagree, kids don’t hang around and play out at a young age like we used to with neighbours looking out for you. They don’t because it’s not safe to do so. I can remember playing out till dark at junior school ago on my own. Kids can’t do that now.
 
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clint van damme said:
I don't think it's any worse now than its ever been.
Children murdered by strangers is a rare occurrence in this country but I think we get far more of an insight into these cases now which can be quite unsettling. .

The report I was listening to on the way home was very in depth and a hard listen.
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Yeah, read the old press reports and it's shocking. Less prison time for killing your child than stealing a chicken. One man got six months for kicking his infant son in the head to death - his defence was he was aiming for his wife and missed!
 
Grendel

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Agreed and she won’t I’m sure ever be released

It’s not about reformed though it’s that it’s a fact that all but 70 will be released at some point. We can’t safely run prisons now

It’s so tough to read the evidence and do what the Scandinavians did in the 90’s. I fear populism will make it impossible to do what works for us all
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Im not sure what you mean by what the Scandinavians did?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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hamertime said:
Disagree, kids don’t hang around and play out at a young age like we used to with neighbours looking out for you. They don’t because it’s not safe to do so. I can remember playing out till dark at junior school ago on my own. Kids can’t do that now.
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The lowest year for murder by strangers since records began was 2017, just 6 years ago.

Of course there are other dangers now, the biggest one being traffic.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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hamertime said:
Disagree, kids don’t hang around and play out at a young age like we used to with neighbours looking out for you. They don’t because it’s not safe to do so. I can remember playing out till dark at junior school ago on my own. Kids can’t do that now.
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Or do kids not play out because parents are worried and don't let them?

There's more CCTV, kids have phones that can be tracked - it'd be much, much harder to abduct a kid nowadays. But we have access to far more information far more quickly and we hear about every potential near miss. back then you didn't.

Of course that's not to say there isn't a danger to kids and we don't need to be vigilant - we do. But I think people can blow it things way out of proportion. I've got family members who'd have you think we're living in a Mad Max dystopia while they lived in some idyll. And they were kids when Brady and Hindley were around.
 
Grendel

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Grendel said:
yet they have a higher homicide rate compared to other countries with far more penal legislation.
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They have one of the lowest rates in the world, considerably below ours and most countries with repressive regimes.

Btw I would be interested in your view of the El Salvador approach.
 
Sbarcher

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On a totally different scale but NHS managers never do take disciplinary action against staff. My wife works in a hospital for over 25 years. The sickness levels by some is horrendous. They play the system, off for 6 months then have a miraculous recovery when their salary would drop. Put in a few weeks then off again. These are not isolated cases.
My wife used to say you would need to kill somebody to get sacked from the NHS. Sadly seems to be true.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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alexccfc99 said:
Genuinely just harrowing, had to switch off the news

There needs to be some sort of punishment for the two directors of the hospital who were constantly being alerted that something fishy was going on but chose to threaten whistleblowers with the sack instead of investigating properly
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There’s got to be some criminal sanction
The panorama programme did show an independent enquiry but the consultant seemed to suggest that this was about avoiding involving the police and protecting the hospital reputation
It’s a very strange phenomenon when organisations don’t involve the police
Have been a church warden and safeguarding issues are often attempted to be resolved without involving the police. You’d think we’d have learnt our lesson
 
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djr8369

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lifeskyblue said:
Allitt certainly spent first few years of her sentence in Special Hospital Rampton. Not sure if she still there or moved to a prison


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I visited Rampton a few times for work several years ago. Odd place, especially when, if a prisoner was walking past, my escort would say “stand out the way in the corner and don’t make eye contact”.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Good old Dr Shola

Let’s milk a tragedy and use it to promote my “every white person is a racist” agenda

 
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djr8369

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An expert on Midlands today was suggesting that it was the drama of trying to save them that she craved, tragic for the parents
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As disturbing as that is it makes some sense. If she had some mental issue making her devoid of empathy perhaps she became addicted to the adrenaline rush and sense of being needed.
 
Sbarcher

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djr8369 said:
As disturbing as that is it makes some sense. If she had some mental issue making her devoid of empathy perhaps she became addicted to the adrenaline rush and sense of being needed.
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Same as the fire-fighter who deliberately starts a fire so they can get the rush to be involved in the drama.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Deleted member 9744 said:
They have one of the lowest rates in the world, considerably below ours and most countries with repressive regimes.

Btw I would be interested in your view of the El Salvador approach.
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Strangely enough I don’t see the Wild West of El Salvador as especially relevant
 
Nick

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djr8369 said:
As disturbing as that is it makes some sense. If she had some mental issue making her devoid of empathy perhaps she became addicted to the adrenaline rush and sense of being needed.
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Sure I watched something about a nurse in America doing that too.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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djr8369 said:
As disturbing as that is it makes some sense. If she had some mental issue making her devoid of empathy perhaps she became addicted to the adrenaline rush and sense of being needed.
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Was talking to someone yesterday who used to be a deputy prison governor and now ordained and we were saying it’s completely thrown our compass. Life compass not moral compass

Part of me feels bad for bringing up any stuff on this thread that takes the focus away from the horror of her crime and the compassion we should all feel for the victims
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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Her Panorama report last week was exceptional. Bafta territory, in my view, despite the tragic background.

Couple of other points catching up ...
1. Allitt is still in Rampton
2. The murder or abduction rate of children by strangers is no higher than it was 50 years ago - but the public perception, fear and risk aversion is higher
 
fernandopartridge

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Agreed and she won’t I’m sure ever be released

It’s not about reformed though it’s that it’s a fact that all but 70 will be released at some point. We can’t safely run prisons now

It’s so tough to read the evidence and do what the Scandinavians did in the 90’s. I fear populism will make it impossible to do what works for us all
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The answer is to stop imprisoning people for relatively petty crimes not to release very dangerous people

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fernandopartridge

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Agreed and she won’t I’m sure ever be released

It’s not about reformed though it’s that it’s a fact that all but 70 will be released at some point. We can’t safely run prisons now

It’s so tough to read the evidence and do what the Scandinavians did in the 90’s. I fear populism will make it impossible to do what works for us all
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The answer is to stop imprisoning people for relatively petty crimes not to release very dangerous people

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