Match Thread Luton Town - Coventry City Match Thread - Saturday 26th Apr (20 Viewers)

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Must win, but I’m gonna spite myself and take a draw like a pussy. Nailed on loss though.

Can't see us getting anything there they are on a good run and must be licking their lips at the thought of Collins playing.

 

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[SBT]

If Wilson starts I’d definitely be looking to start with 3ATB, maybe even with Bidwell at LCB instead of Binks.

 

[Johhny Blue]

Fuck me Luton's forum is as difficult to navigate as the CET news page. Not trying that again.

I hadn’t checked yet but was hoping that they spent some of that parachute money upgrading their forum computers from the 1960’s
It’s like CB radio with crayons

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Wilson
Lati Binks Kitching
MvE Grimes Sheaf Dasilva
Rudoni
Simms Wright

Assuming Thomas still not fit.

Grimes will likely sit deep enough to make it 4CB's anyway, which should mean we can cover the spaces behind the wingbacks which Luton would almost certainly try to exploit.

Does mean we don't have a spare CB should we get an injury etc. but should that worst case happen we can still revert to a back four out of absolute necessity.

I think if we start with Frank's standard 4-3-3 we lose.

 

[SwanLane]

Wilson
Lati Binks Kitching
MvE Grimes Sheaf Dasilva
Rudoni
Simms Wright

Assuming Thomas still not fit.

Grimes will likely sit deep enough to make it 4CB's anyway, which should mean we can cover the spaces behind the wingbacks which Luton would almost certainly try to exploit.

Does mean we don't have a spare CB should we get an injury etc. but should that worst case happen we can still revert to a back four out of absolute necessity.

I think if we start with Frank's standard 4-3-3 we lose.

Bidwell can play LCB and actually, as pointed out above, could be a reasonable shout to start. It’s a bit left heavy though. If something happened to Lati, you’re looking at drafting MVE or Sheaf in as RCB, assuming Thomas isn’t ready yet.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Ultra defensive 5-4-1 away from home, that Luton won't expect, to get a point or nick it from a set piece.

Wilson
MVE, Lati, Kitch, Binks, JDS
Eccles, Grimes, Sheaf, Rudoni
Wright

Lati has been too hesitant, doesn't play the way he's facing, and waits for the ball to bounce too often. If he seems to be having a mare bring Biddders into back 3.

 

[Nick]

Please not binks and dasilva on the left of a 5.

Kitching steadied that.

 

[David O'Day]

Please not binks and dasilva on the left of a 5.

Kitching steadied that.

if binks plays he'll be in the middle, he was for a lot of the 5 at the back games under Lampard

 

[David O'Day]

I get why people are thinking about 5 at the back but that may play into Lutons strengths, it allows them to push their wing backs high up the pitch at most times.

 

[ptr]

To put it simply, we cannot go 1-0 down. We rarely come back to win a game from a losing position - these will love going 1-0 up and sitting back for the rest of the game.

 

[quinn1971]

Keep it the same, 433 we only lost because bidwell and Allen came in, sheaf and da silva back in and we’ll be fine,

 

[wingy]

Please not binks and dasilva on the left of a 5.

Kitching steadied that.

Binks has been in the centre of Kitching and Bobby before which I think wasn't a disaster?

 

[David O'Day]

looking back at the line ups for thir recent games, they have lost against back 4s and beaten back 5s?

 

[quinn1971]

looking back at the line ups for thir recent games, they have lost against back 4s and beaten back 5s?

I think if we had a full squad we’d play a 352 but there’s now way were playing a back 3 of kitching, Lati and binks, especially not with Collins in, stick with the 433, sheaf and da silva back in,problem yesterday grimes plays In the back 4 which is fine, rudoni was marked out the game, that leaves Allen to try and create something,at least with sheaf in there we’ve got an extra creative midfielder, sheaf back in, especially against Luton, sure he’ll give a little bit extra

 

[Covcraig@bury]

3-1 away win (must win) Rudi with a brace. Get your house on it and STOP shitting the bed !!!

 

[Marty]

4-0 loss, Collins to throw 3 in his own goal before half time.

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

4-0 loss, Collins to throw 3 in his own goal before half time.

Every time an attacker says boo.

 

[David O'Day]

I think if we had a full squad we’d play a 352 but there’s now way were playing a back 3 of kitching, Lati and binks, especially not with Collins in, stick with the 433, sheaf and da silva back in,

If we had a full squad it's a back 4 with EMC on the left and Wright up top. Wingers to try and push their full back to cut down the number of crosses and Wright as his speed, skill and movement is better suited against their orc like CBs.

If we do play 3 CBs we need to make sure it's 3-4-1-2 not 5-3-2 as if the wing backs are too deep they'll give their wing backs plenty of time to lauch crosses in. They need to push the wing backs back.

 

[Warwickhunt]

FL have word with Latte FFS! Everytime he puts his body inbetween the ball and the opposition left winger he plays for the foul and loses out everytime, he trust the official to do their job but the last 4 times they have played on and we are in the shite

 

[David O'Day]

FL have word with Latte FFS! Everytime he puts his body inbetween the ball and the opposition left winger he plays for the foul and loses out everytime, he trust the official to do their job but the last 4 times they have played on and we are in the shite

He's just not Espresso enough at getting back.

 

[Tommo1993]

Genuinely feel sorry for Collins. He must’ve felt a lot better after the previous 3 games (largely untested albeit). He must feel rock bottom again.

 

[SkyblueTexan]

This is who I'd play

Wilson
MVE Lati Binks Kitching DaSilva
Grimes Rudoni
Saka BTA Wright

 

[Covcraig@bury]

Bell

MVE-Binks-Kitchen-JDS

Grimes

Sheaf—————Rudi

Sako. Wright. Patto

 

[clint van damme]

Keep it the same, 433 we only lost because bidwell and Allen came in, sheaf and da silva back in and we’ll be fine,

It's been found out, especially away from home. We need to try something different.

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

I'd sit back, park the bus ('low block' ).

 

[David O'Day]

This is who I'd play

Wilson
MVE Lati Binks Kitching DaSilva
Grimes Rudoni
Saka BTA Wright

I can see the gaps being far too big in the midfield

If you are playing 3 cbs you need 2 in a 6 position as this is where a lot of 2nd balls will end up. Also with that formation you'll end with Rudi spending most of his game in fromnt of the defence which is not where you want him

If we go 3 cbs I would play

A Keeper (I'd play Wilson now but I can't see Lampard changing it)
Lati Binks Kirching
MVE Grimes Sheaf JDS
Rudi
Simms or BTA Wright

 

[DACMAC]

I don't think FL is going to switch to a back 5. His whole approach has been to stick to 433 and a high line and not make individual game adjustments (e.g. vs Leeds and Ipswich where it was clear the approach was going to be challenged). He went to a back 5 when there was no LW option but pretty much as soon as that option reappeared he went back to 433. he will be thinking as much about the Middlesbrough game as the Luton one and cannot see him switching formations between those games. so my guess is he reverts to the WBA line up and tries to get more movement and passing between the lines (like we managed at Hull).

 

[David O'Day]

It's been found out, especially away from home. We need to try something different.

The shape hasn't been found out, the roles the players do didn't work against Plymouth and their low block system. Grimes should for example have been starting 10 or 20 years further forward as there was no press to have to play through.

Also i don't think you can say it was found out vs Hull, if were less wasteful and their keeper doesn't have a worldie of a game we win easily. That's not the formations fault.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Assuming no Thomas I’d go with.
Wilson
MVE Lati Kitching Dasilva
Sheaf Grimes
Rudoni
Saka BTA Wright

 

[clint van damme]

The shape hasn't been found out, the roles the players do didn't work against Plymouth and their low block system. Grimes should for example have been starting 10 or 20 years further forward as there was no press to have to play through.

Also i don't think you can say it was found out vs Hull, if were less wasteful and their keeper doesn't have a worldie of a game we win easily. That's not the formations fault.

Hull was 1 game.
We've lost 3-1 twice in recent games and even the away game we did win, Oxford, we conceded 2.

It also looked laboured at home against Portsmouth.
I'm not saying ditch it, but there are games where we need to try something else.

I take on board your points about how Luton play and pushing their wing backs back.

 

[David O'Day]

Hull was 1 game.
We've lost 3-1 twice in recent games and even the away game we did win, Oxford, we conceded 2.

It also looked laboured at home against Portsmouth.
I'm not saying ditch it, but there are games where we need to try something else.

I take on board your points about how Luton play and pushing their wing backs back.

you can try something else without changing formation which is what I think we should do, against teams that aren't going to press Grimes and Sheaf need to be higher up the pitch. Against Plymouth Grimes and Allen were so deep they were basically allowed to pass the ball about by a Plymouth team who had no real interest in engaging them so when they did go longer forward there were basically 7 players game closing off all space. We changed to a 4-4-2 in the 2nd half put didn't change the player roles and it was just as bad.

An example of how we could of changed is we keep the same basic system but the midfield is starting by the half way line. This would of meant that the Plymouth players would have had to engage our players earlier. Would allow us to attempt to move them about a lot more to create gaps and overloads or go slightly more direct and play into the spaces created by the higher engagement rather than playing it forward towards a back 5 and 2 midfielders in front who are set and in position.

I'm not sure you can use Oxford as an example of a formations failing when it was a set piece and a goal from a blatant foul.

But you can change tactics without changing formations.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Please not binks and dasilva on the left of a 5.

Kitching steadied that.

Why I put Kitching on the left with Binks in the middle.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Keep it the same, 433 we only lost because bidwell and Allen came in, sheaf and da silva back in and we’ll be fine,

There are way more reasons we lost than that.

Part it being they played a low block and we just passed it around in their half while creating nothing. Which has been a feature for us all season. We still don't seem to have worked out we need to try something different in those circumstances.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

you can try something else without changing formation which is what I think we should do, against teams that aren't going to press Grimes and Sheaf need to be higher up the pitch. Against Plymouth Grimes and Allen were so deep they were basically allowed to pass the ball about by a Plymouth team who had no real interest in engaging them so when they did go longer forward there were basically 7 players game closing off all space. We changed to a 4-4-2 in the 2nd half put didn't change the player roles and it was just as bad.

An example of how we could of changed is we keep the same basic system but the midfield is starting by the half way line. This would of meant that the Plymouth players would have had to engage our players earlier. Would allow us to attempt to move them about a lot more to create gaps and overloads or go slightly more direct and play into the spaces created by the higher engagement rather than playing it forward towards a back 5 and 2 midfielders in front who are set and in position.

I'm not sure you can use Oxford as an example of a formations failing when it was a set piece and a goal from a blatant foul.

But you can change tactics without changing formations.

To summarise why we lost yesterday because we made too many individual errors and didn’t create enough chances.

We could play 6 defenders but if we leave players unmarked, give the ball away in compromising positions and fail to clear our lines… we’ll still concede goals.

We still have to create chances and with no Torp, you’ve only got Rudoni creating chances in that CM partnership and you’ve taken off Sakamoto out of the game.

Tactically, we need to tweak things so we get the ball in box more often and quicker as well as keeping things tighter between the lines so we don’t give up so many opportunities out wide.

 

[David O'Day]

To summarise why we lost yesterday because we made too many individual errors and didn’t create enough chances.

We could play 6 defenders but if we leave players unmarked, give the ball away in compromising positions and fail to clear our lines… we’ll still concede goals.

We still have to create chances and with no Torp, you’ve only got Rudoni creating chances in that CM partnership and you’ve taken off Sakamoto out of the game.

Tactically, we need to tweak things so we get the ball in box more often and quicker as well as keeping things tighter between the lines so we don’t give up so many opportunities out wide.

Yes we lost because our performance was good enough and even with the tactics we used we should of been able to win but we could have made it easier for ourselves by playing in a way that was more suited to playing against a team with a low block. Low blocks are something we have traditionally struggled with.

Unless they change this up massively luckily that isn't an issue we will have deal with. While they aren't Klopps original Gegenpress Dortmund team they will try and win it much higher than Plymouth.