hopesprings
Well-Known Member
WTF .......?
WTF .......?/sighs at the curse of literalism and a total lack of knowledge of past seasons under Strachan
That was Reid.
WTF .......?
Thanks for clarifying shame NW had to be so cryptic..still each to their own :happy:Strachan only kept us up in 1997 by virtue of the fact that Middlesborough had points deducted, i.e. he relegated us twice.
Exactly!It's not the managers
You mean when SISU turned up? Common denominator and all that.
Exactly!
If the System the manager is operating in is deficient, then the chances of success are remote. JH was able to enhance and develop our club due to clarity of vision and being given the resources to deliver. Under SISU successive managers have been operating on short term muddled leadership from the board.
Think you have! Black and Robbins aren't successes for me as they weren't here long enough. Wouldn't say they were failures either though, that would be harsh.So, I think I've been generous with my assessments above.
Hence why I included post-SIllett, arguably our last sustained period of success.What about pre-Sisu
Hence why I included post-SIllett, arguably our last sustained period of success.
Now it could be argued that the club was still run as a club relatively well until Robinson bought his way in, and the management shifts don't reflect my argument as a whole - I could buy that to a degree, if honest, although the Butcher appointment was one made without an appropriate knowledge of what was required at that stage, and saw Poynton slip into a bit of the Robinson/Richardson trap of being dazzled by name and profile above all else. Because of that, though, you'd probably have to blame the board first for making such an unsuitable appointment.
Not *that* many managers, and I'd say the big mistake then was actually getting rid of Sexton, who was doing what clubs such as us need to do, and building a strong core of youth players. Hill may have been a good manager, but wasn't so hot in planning as Chairman...You are being very selective - look at post Milne and pre-Sillett when managers turned regularly. Which was fine as that achieved the objective - survival
Neal was sacked as his whole profile collapsed after the documentary - he was portrayed as a fool and it did him no favours at all
Not *that* many managers, and I'd say the big mistake then was actually getting rid of Sexton, who was doing what clubs such as us need to do, and building a strong core of youth players. Hill may have been a good manager, but wasn't so hot in planning as Chairman...
Neal was sacked mainly for profile.
However, the governance structure and investment in the club maintained us in the first tier of English football. At that time, we had a SYSTEM in place, which compensated for some of the churn in management. The current SYSTEM has seen us relegated from 2nd Tier to potentially the 4th Tier of English football. Additionally, the governance structure for CCFC would not meet the standards that DCMS recommend for British Sport. Therefore, we must question the System & Governance of the club, as it's not producing improvements in performance on the pitch.What about pre-Sisu - Under Sisu excluding Milne which is a huge distortion managers have lasted longer. In the early 80's the churn was huge
What about pre-Sisu - Under Sisu excluding Milne which is a huge distortion managers have lasted longer. In the early 80's the churn was huge
Also Frank Bunn and John Harbin; the rugby coaches!Richard Shaw?
Harbin was an Aussie rugby coach. Bunn was an 80s footballer, played for Oldham.Also Frank Bunn and John Harbin; the rugby coaches!
That game against WBA in the cup and the defenders raised their arms for offside after a throw-in...
Pretty sure we were in the relegation zone when Dowie got sacked. Aside from the win at Old Trafford his record was poor.Why was Dowie a failure? Sacked purely because Sisu wanted Coleman in.
Adrian Heath is another caretaker who wasn't up to much. How many games has Oggy managed?Also Frank Bunn and John Harbin; the rugby coaches!
That game against WBA in the cup and the defenders raised their arms for offside after a throw-in...
Been out all day living life, but I was always safe in the knowledge that on my return, I would log on too findEven though the last few managers we have had who have been sacked lasted longer than the league average?
Marks out of 10:
Butcher 4 - squandered Sillett's legacy and never endeared himself to fans.
Howe 5 - very negative tactics and hardly any wins.
Gould 6 - like his first spell, an early flash in the pan following by a steep decline in form.
Neal 7 - on the plus side, kept us in the top division when money was tight. On the down side, Julian Darby.
Atkinson 5 - over the hill and wasted a golden opportunity to progress the club.
Strachan 6 - good for first three seasons and we played some excellent football. Lost his way in the end and started the death spiral by presiding over our relegation.
Nilsson 6 - showed great potential and should not have been sacked. Has gone on to prove his ability.
McAllister 4 - great player, decent guy but poor manager.
Black 7 - a good cameo which should have been extended.
Reid 3 - considering his reputation from Sunderland he did a very poor job.
Adams 7 - played some of the best football I have seen during our 8th place finish with Dennis Wise. Seemed to really care for the club unlike some others.
Dowie 5 - one or two good cup results but League form very disappointing. We killed off his promising managerial career.
Coleman 4 - Nearly got a squad which included Dann, Gunnarsson, Ward, Fox and Morrison relegated to League One. Wasted money on the likes of Eastwood, McIndoe and Bell.
Boothroyd 6 - Bit of a forgotten man. Started well but undermined by SISU. Perhaps deserved a bit more time in hindsight.
Thorn 2 - Worst.manager.ever!
Robins 8 - If he had been supported I'm convinced he would have got us back into the Championship. Thanks Sisu!
Pressley 6 - Did well to keep us up during the Northampton debacle but we were heading for League 2 by the time he was sacked.
Mowbray 5 - Squandered our best start for many years and disastrous recruitment has led us to be relegation certainties.
Venus 6 - Got this season's awful squad to win a few league matches which is more than Mowbray or Slade have done.
Slade 3 - Not won a league match in first three months. Rivalling Thorn for ineptitude.
Who did?
Micky Adams success?? Wtf?? We finished 8th one season, but never troubled the play offs. a late surge with a lucky Dennis Wise signing who was unbelievably good. Still spent money on poor players. In fact how is him finishing 8th success but Mowbray the same on tiny resources, a bunch of loans who were mainly kids doing the same a failure? It was disappointing and an underachievement post Christmas but exciting for the longest period of a season since the entertainers.
Phil Neal complete failure imo if only for constantly playing Julian Fookin Darby!
Have to confess I loved it when Dowie and Flowers arrived too. Not great football but true passion and had the rug pulled from under them.
I think labelling Strachan's run as manager as a failure is a bit harsh. We had some really enjoyable seasons under his watch, although he clearly had his faults (some dodgy signings, his aversion to John Alosis and Gary Breen, his love of Paul Telfer and the Paul Williams/Richard Shaw centre half pairing). His undoing was having the goals ripped out of the team in his final season with losing McAllister and Keane, and then replacing them with Bellamy. Unfortunately he just stayed on too long. Didn't Richardson reject his resignation after West Ham thumped us 3-0 in the September of our relegation season?
If you want a real failure look at Coleman - that squad should have been challenging at the top of the table and he had us scrapping at the bottom.
I think Adams's reign will always be tainted, for me, by the fact that he spent the McSheffrey money on Kevin Kyle and Leon McKenzie.
Harsh on Strachan? We went backwards under him, a few enjoyable games doesn't really cut the mustard. I'd give him 2 out of 10 personally, as mentioned he relegated us twice.
Pretty sure we were in the relegation zone when Dowie got sacked. Aside from the win at Old Trafford his record was poor.
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