Evo1883
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Fuck em
Manchester Airport Incident (2 Viewers)
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Nick
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I still don't think it's possible to judge based on the clips that have been put out that only show that one part and not the before and after.
It is madness that a copper gives a little prick a slap and a boot after he had battered coppers and there's outrage but when there's a random bloke trying to chop up an innocent soldier the same people don't seem that arsed.
It is madness that a copper gives a little prick a slap and a boot after he had battered coppers and there's outrage but when there's a random bloke trying to chop up an innocent soldier the same people don't seem that arsed.
Ccfcisparks
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the stamp on the head is excessive use of force regardless of whats happened
Sky Blue Pete
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Agreed and it’s why it’s likely he’ll be charged
Nick
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Think the kick was more damaging than the stamp to be fair.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s a legal thing
Nuskyblue
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Provocation, he was OTT but it was a charged situation.
If I'd broken a girls nose I'd expect a shoeing
Alkhen
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They showed the clip on the news earlier, was pretty shocking. The copper clearly lost his shit.
Now the statement has come out it makes more sense. Bloke broke a female officer nose. Male officer lost his rag.
He'll get the boot for sure, can't be stamping on a prone person's head....but can sort of understand his motivation
Now the statement has come out it makes more sense. Bloke broke a female officer nose. Male officer lost his rag.
He'll get the boot for sure, can't be stamping on a prone person's head....but can sort of understand his motivation
Mucca Mad Boys
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In Germany all the police around football fans were geared up, looked ready to go and didn’t look like the kind of people you’d want to antagonise.
Our approach to policing is a too soft and I believe that has played a part in rising public disorder and violence in the streets. There’s no deterrent.
What's wrong with getting him help/education demote him for a period?
Alkhen
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Nothing but won't happen. Would be a PR disaster for them.
Might have got away with the kick but the stamp on the back of the head is excessive any way you slice it. He lost his rag.
chiefdave
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Like always, as with the Gillingham thread, when nobody disagrees there's no debate so the threads die after a handful of posts
Threads like this are longer because you're only a handful of posts in before you've got people who think stamping on someones head is fine and people who think it isn't
Sky Blue Pete
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What about the riots in 80’s??
Sky Blue Pete
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Do you not think he should be charged?
rob9872
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No debate? We all agree that a soldier stabbed 80 times outside a barracks is clearly mental health and definitely not terror related? I must've missed the memo.
And for balance, I doubt anyone on this thread thinks stamping on heads is 'fine' but questionable motives based only seeing that part is what's raising the debate and whether the action was justified.
Otis
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Surely this has more because there is video of the incident here. Therefore it is easier to make a judgement.
I am still trying to get my head around it all.
The police have said that in the case of the stabbing incident, they don't believe to be terror related. It's harder to know what happened
With this one, it's all about the level of force the police used and the justification in that level, as it's very obvious there was severe provocation.
You can be bound sure, if the Gillingham incident was perceived to be terror related, it would have so many more posts than this.
The police have said that they DO believe the soldier attack was mental health related. When I hear that, I find it harder to get my head around and comment without further information.
I don't think there is very much to be drawn from the disparity.
clint van damme
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There's no argument over the stabbing though. There's disagreement on this issue.
Edit - ignore this remark, just been on the thread, arguments begun.
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eastwoodsdustman
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The officer showed a level of restraint as he was holding a gun in his hand. If he’d truly lost the plot he’d have pulled the trigger.
Otis
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As I say, I haven't seen the footage and don't wish to see it. Definitely have some sympathy with the police officers if they were provoked and attacked, but you can't, as an officer of the law, go round stamping on someone's head.
It's a shame, because they might be a decent copper, who just lost their rag in this one incident, but I think it's going to end up with them kicked off the force and sacked.
Sky Blue Pete
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And charged?
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I'm actually quite surprised by the consensus of opinion on here. The police are bound by the same laws that we all are: if a reasonable person would view the response as disproportionate, he has committed an offence. It could be argued that the high levels of training that the police undergo (especially so for firearms officers) mean they should be capable of exercising greater levels of self-control than the average person, and be held to a greater level of scrutiny.
There is ZERO justification in a person lying in the prone position on the ground being kicked in the head then having his head stamped on, nor in someone standing with their hands raised offering compliance being thrown to the ground and kicked in the leg.
The red mist came down and they lost any semblance of self-control, and with it proportionality.
The officer involved has "been removed from active duty" (yeah, to sit in an office in the police station and have a good laugh about it with his mates). They have not said he has been suspended pending the outcome of the IOPC investigation, which is exactly what should happen. If that was a member of the public, they would be in court this morning for assault (at the very least).
The "risk of weapons being seized" is a total red herring from a failing police force making up excuses to hide behind.
There is ZERO justification in a person lying in the prone position on the ground being kicked in the head then having his head stamped on, nor in someone standing with their hands raised offering compliance being thrown to the ground and kicked in the leg.
The red mist came down and they lost any semblance of self-control, and with it proportionality.
The officer involved has "been removed from active duty" (yeah, to sit in an office in the police station and have a good laugh about it with his mates). They have not said he has been suspended pending the outcome of the IOPC investigation, which is exactly what should happen. If that was a member of the public, they would be in court this morning for assault (at the very least).
The "risk of weapons being seized" is a total red herring from a failing police force making up excuses to hide behind.
clint van damme
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Manchester police facing alot of scrutiny at the moment because of the conduct of its officers so I think that will play in to any decision and he could be in trouble.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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GMP are on a par with the Met on that score, apparently, and have been the subject of a fairly recent (i.e. LAST WEEK) independent review by a top barrister into the treatment of women by their officers.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Probably a rare occasion when we will not hear Andy Burnham say ‘what about Manchester?’
Otis
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Yeah, not sure on that.
I an guessing the scum bag who was pinned down, might well take out a private prosecution anyway
Not sure charging is the right way to go. Not sure to be honest. It was totally wrong, but I do have some sympathy
OffenhamSkyBlue
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To be fair to him (and i generally think he's a knob), it was him who commissioned the independent inquiry into GMP.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I was kidding, I like Burnham.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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He is guilty (at least on the face of the video evidence) of assault at least. It could be regarded as violent conduct, grievious bodily harm with intent, or even, as shmee said, attempted murder. If that lad had a bleed on the brain and died (which may happen some time in the future), it would be manslaughter without a doubt.
You have to hold him to the same level of scrutiny as you would for a member of the public.
covcity4life
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Doesn't matter if they cunts or not. You can't kick a defenceless person in the head.
Hope they get done for assaulting police but also that officer needs to be punished.
Hope they get done for assaulting police but also that officer needs to be punished.
I have no sympathy for people being cunts in airports and if this would have happened during the struggle it would be different. Trouble is being a copper should mean you rise above people like me who think ruining peoples holidays and traumatising families should warrant a dig in the noggin. PS airports are absolute chav hell holes