Manchester City breaking financial rules (2 Viewers)

ccfctommy · Feb 6, 2023

I posted in the PL thread but this deserves its own i think.

Manchester City charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League

The Premier League charges Manchester City with more than 100 breaches of its financial rules following a four-year investigation.

www.bbc.co.uk

Over a hundred rules broken over eight years. It has taken the PL four years to investigate this.

I think this will be a massive back and forth. In reality, they should have the book thrown at them.

Nick · Feb 6, 2023

Didn't they get punishment last time but then the punishment became less and they just carried on?

ccfctommy · Feb 6, 2023

Nick said:
Didn't they get punishment last time but then the punishment became less and they just carried on?

No, I don't think so. This won't be a slap on the wrist fine. This goes back to the Mancini era. The Premier League will want to make an example of them.

Saddlebrains · Feb 6, 2023

Titles stripped and relegation is the apparent punishment

They wont have the bollocks

Wyken Sky Blue · Feb 6, 2023

A Juventus-esque relegation would be interesting to see!

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Nick · Feb 6, 2023

Saddlebrains said:
Titles stripped and relegation is the apparent punishment

They wont have the bollocks

Yeah I can't see them having the balls to relegate them.

If it was Italy though....

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Feb 6, 2023

Nick said:
Yeah I can't see them having the balls to relegate them.

If it was Italy though....

Can you imagine the shock when we pip them to 1st next season though

Nick · Feb 6, 2023

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Can you imagine the shock when we pip them to 1st next season though

Probably still give them parachute payments.

Paul Anthony · Feb 6, 2023

After four years, and with so many breaches listed, they can't surely just slap a token fine on them? They'd basically be openly admitting the financial regulations aren't worth the paper.

Then again, I'm sure Man City can probably find an envelope big enough, when the need arises.

Wonder if they'll have a look at Chelsea? Their January was an absolute madness.

fernandopartridge · Feb 6, 2023

This is spiv Britain, there will be no punishment. The rules will be changed to make sure the breaches are all perfectly legitimate in future.

David O'Day · Feb 6, 2023

under pl they can't appeal anything to cas unlike the previous uefa charge

Paul Anthony · Feb 6, 2023

This is the range of punishments available, apparently. Think we can probably guess which direction they'll go. Nice bit of compensation, and say no more about it.....

Nick · Feb 6, 2023

What better way to punish somebody for over spending than a fine....

Tommo1993 · Feb 6, 2023

Conditional punishment and nothing more said about it, we know how this works.

lifeskyblue · Feb 6, 2023

Token fine, slapped wrist and a promise not to do it again when it should be relegation to L2 and massive fine. Also every other club should be investigated as they are not alone in not playing by the ffp regulations

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Sky Blue Pete · Feb 6, 2023

No shit Sherlock

MusicDating · Feb 6, 2023

In other, I'm sure totally unrelated news -

Football regulator: New white paper delayed until later this month

The publication of the UK government's long-awaited white paper proposing reforms to shake up football is delayed to later this month.

www.bbc.co.uk

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 6, 2023

MusicDating said:
In other, I'm sure totally unrelated news -

Football regulator: New white paper delayed until later this month

The publication of the UK government's long-awaited white paper proposing reforms to shake up football is delayed to later this month.

www.bbc.co.uk

This government needs to get its own house in order before trying to get involved in football

Nuskyblue · Feb 6, 2023

Saddlebrains said:
Titles stripped and relegation is the apparent punishment

They wont have the bollocks

If found guilty this is the only punishment worth it's salt. The EPL should have an eye on Newcastle Utd who will do exactly the same over the coming years and in reality are already on thier way.

no_loyalty · Feb 6, 2023

Paul Anthony said:
After four years, and with so many breaches listed, they can't surely just slap a token fine on them? They'd basically be openly admitting the financial regulations aren't worth the paper.

Then again, I'm sure Man City can probably find an envelope big enough, when the need arises.

Wonder if they'll have a look at Chelsea? Their January was an absolute madness.

In regard to Chelsea, didn’t they offer players 7yr / 8yr contracts to get around the rules?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 6, 2023

If the bit about record revenues and profits in 2021-2022 is correct it just shows the stupidity of FFP, designed to keep the big clubs big, and stop them from having challenges. Man City have clearly grown their business through investment, into profit. If they've broken rules to get there, then it shows the idiocy of the rules.

Happy_Martian · Feb 6, 2023

This will be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in football. I can't see the FA and EPL doing anything to Man City other than someone else said, a fine and conditional penalty based on future breaches. With the size of their squad, any relegation will only mean you have a massive club that will outperform any other team in that division. So in one or two years, they'd be back in the Prem with a couple more championship titles to boast about (see Rangers rise from their financial woes).

Skybluefaz · Feb 6, 2023

They won't hurt the money will they. I'd love to see them relegated but it won't happen. Will Chelsea be in line for the same, the money they've spent is a joke.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 6, 2023

They can go bust for all I care. A tin pot club who have numbed the premier League for years pretending to be Billy bigtime.
The thought of playing Man City in the championship is no more exciting than Sunderland, Birmingham or West Brom.

no_loyalty · Feb 6, 2023

Break FFP rules in the PL and only get a slap on the wrist, break FFP rules in the EFL and get a minimum 9 point deduction.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 6, 2023

no_loyalty said:
Break FFP rules in the PL and only get a slap on the wrist, break FFP rules in the EFL and get a minimum 9 point deduction.

Different competitions

Paul Anthony · Feb 6, 2023

no_loyalty said:
In regard to Chelsea, didn’t they offer players 7yr / 8yr contracts to get around the rules?

So they're doing what F1 teams do then, and trying to find grey areas and loopholes?

Frostie · Feb 6, 2023

Skybluefaz said:
They won't hurt the money will they. I'd love to see them relegated but it won't happen. Will Chelsea be in line for the same, the money they've spent is a joke.

As others have said, the recent Chelsea transfers have involved some 'clever accounting' exploiting loopholes in the regulations by amortising the contracts (and therefore fees) over ridiculous length contracts.

The rules are now being changed (closing the stable door after the horse has bolted) hence Chelsea's mad push to get the deals done in January.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 6, 2023

Frostie said:
As others have said, the recent Chelsea transfers have involved some 'clever accounting' exploiting loopholes in the regulations by amortising the contracts (and therefore fees) over ridiculous length contracts.

The rules are now being changed (closing the stable door after the horse has bolted) hence Chelsea's mad push to get the deals done in January.

Do those deals have any break clauses or are they really tied in to those players for the long haul?

Nuskyblue · Feb 6, 2023

Frostie said:
As others have said, the recent Chelsea transfers have involved some 'clever accounting' exploiting loopholes in the regulations by amortising the contracts (and therefore fees) over ridiculous length contracts.

The rules are now being changed (closing the stable door after the horse has bolted) hence Chelsea's mad push to get the deals done in January.

Tbh I think that could come back and bite them in 3 or 4 years. If half of them are flops they will be lumbered with shit on masive contracts that they cant shift, look at the problems Arsenal had with Ozil and Aubameyang. I guess the lads Chelsea bought in are at least <30.

Tbh the Saudis buying into Newcastle has killed the Prem. What's the point anymore, you have no chance of competing if you get promoted. If we ever got up the ceiling is 7th, I'd love for the big guns to all fuck off to the European Super league tbh

Skybluefaz · Feb 6, 2023

Frostie said:
As others have said, the recent Chelsea transfers have involved some 'clever accounting' exploiting loopholes in the regulations by amortising the contracts (and therefore fees) over ridiculous length contracts.

The rules are now being changed (closing the stable door after the horse has bolted) hence Chelsea's mad push to get the deals done in January.

I get that. Its still a joke.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 6, 2023

Nuskyblue said:
Tbh I think that could come back and bite them in 3 or 4 years. If half of them are flops they will be lumbered with shit on masive contracts that they cant shift, look at the problems Arsenal had with Ozil and Aubameyang. I guess the lads Chelsea bought in are at least <30.

Tbh the Saudis buying into Newcastle has killed the Prem. What's the point anymore, you have no chance of competing if you get promoted. If we ever got up the ceiling is 7th, I'd love for the big guns to all fuck off to the European Super league tbh

In a league where you collect £100 million for passing Go, just staying in it is fine by me.

Nuskyblue · Feb 6, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
In a league where you collect £100 million for passing Go, just staying in it is fine by me.

Premier League status = Premier League wages tho so ultimately gets you nowhere, you just end up with a meh season, hopefully escaping relegation on the last day would be the only excitement in it

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 6, 2023

Nuskyblue said:
Premier League status = Premier League wages tho so ultimately gets you nowhere, you just end up with a meh season, hopefully escaping relegation on the last day would be the only excitement in it

However much most of us dislike the overhyped commercial nonsense, ultimately it's madness not to want your club to play at the highest level.

Nuskyblue · Feb 6, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
However much most of us dislike the overhyped commercial nonsense, ultimately it's madness not to want your club to play at the highest level.

I get that but you'd want to be able to compete, it used to be champions league money that made the top four a closed shop. You could now argue that 7 is the ceiling and what's the point.

At the beginning of this season you could make an argument for most of the championship getting into the play offs. In the Premier League you could make an argument for over half the league finishing in the bottom 3. Even with half a season 8 from 20 could conceivably go down.

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