clint van damme
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so has Robins.
Though I'm only interested in what he's done for us and he's a great fit for our club but if you're using other managerial positions as a measure then he's hardly had a stella career.
Look at his record. Or is it just hard luck that he has failed everywhere.
I don't see your issue then, you want to know why Pressley wasn't "backed" in the same way that Robins has been?
There’s no issue. One poster is saying Pressley was backed as much as Robins which is incorrect. Glad you agree with me!
He 'bought' him for nothing actually.
So you're saying that Robins bought him in, developed him and sold him at a profit? Thats good management isn't it. :emoji_relieved:
Pressley has failed everywhere and nobody would back him as his decision making on players was poor. Robins did well at Rotheram, Barnsley, well in his first spell with us, failed at Huddersfield & Scunthorpe and is now a gem of a manager with us again. In the most difficult circumstances any manager has faced. Thems the facts, folkshis reasoning as to why is nonsense though
so has Robins.
Though I'm only interested in what he's done for us and he's a great fit for our club but if you're using other managerial positions as a measure then he's hardly had a stella career.
Pressley has failed everywhere and nobody would back him as his decision making on players was poor. Robins did well at Rotheram, Barnsley, well in his first spell with us, failed at Huddersfield & Scunthorpe and is now a gem of a manager with us again. In the most difficult circumstances any manager has faced. Thems the facts, folks
Robins didn't fail everywhere at all- this is just more nonsense.
Robins didn't fail everywhere at all- this is just more nonsense.
how is it, he never won anything or gained a promotion, same as Pressley.
His overall record is no different to Russell Slade ironically he just seems to do well here
His overall record is no different to Russell Slade ironically he just seems to do well here
When he joined Rotherham at the end of Feb they were 13 points away from safety, Robins turned that around completely, then the next two seasons they were in the promotion places all the time right to the end when they fell out- and that was with a 17 point deduction.
When he went to Barnsley in September they were rock bottom, he immediately went on an 8 game unbeaten run and they were well clear even before xmas. Then he fell out with the board.Then he came to us and gave the whole club a huge shot in the arm. Then failed at Huddersfield and Scunthorpe. Winning record= 39% at higher level clubs.
And Stephen 'Mourinho' Pressley? Hearts- lost every game, Falkirk- relegated them, us- was in process of relegating us & sacked, Fleetwood- lasted 10 months, Pafos- 9mths sacked, Carlisle- lasted 10 months & sacked. Winning record= 36% at lower level clubs.
I asked if you could come up with a stat that does not show Mark Robins as our third best ever manager if he takes us up- nobody can do it, and most seem to be obsessed with belittling what he is doing & hyping up our previous failed managers.
When he joined Rotherham at the end of Feb they were 13 points away from safety, Robins turned that around completely, then the next two seasons they were in the promotion places all the time right to the end when they fell out- and that was with a 17 point deduction.
When he went to Barnsley in September they were rock bottom, he immediately went on an 8 game unbeaten run and they were well clear even before xmas. Then he fell out with the board.Then he came to us and gave the whole club a huge shot in the arm. Then failed at Huddersfield and Scunthorpe. Winning record= 39% at higher level clubs.
And Stephen 'Mourinho' Pressley? Hearts- lost every game, Falkirk- relegated them, us- was in process of relegating us & sacked, Fleetwood- lasted 10 months, Pafos- 9mths sacked, Carlisle- lasted 10 months & sacked. Winning record= 36% at lower level clubs.
I asked if you could come up with a stat that does not show Mark Robins as our third best ever manager if he takes us up- nobody can do it, and most seem to be obsessed with belittling what he is doing & hyping up our previous failed managers.
You think? Perhaps you should look that up instead of waxing lyrical about previous failed managers and you will find that Russell Slade's record is significantly inferior to that of Mark Robins. Or is there some other criteria apart from winning football matches that you're taking into account- taste in baseball caps, how "nice" he is etc.
Who do you think is number 1 on the list?
You know who, but controversially I don’t think John Sillett is number 2, might manage 5th or 6thWho do you think is number 1 on the list?
You're talking rubbish, "most seem obsessed with belittling what he is doing". Why be such a drama queen?!
No they don't, 2 or 3 tops.
And just because Pressley has failed in all his other managerial appointments doesn't mean Robins has been successful. His career away from us has been average at best and it was you who introduced other appointments as a measure.
Like I say, I don't care what he did elsewhere, I'm only interested in what he's doing with us and am more than happy.
You know who, but controversially I don’t think John Sillett is number 2, might manage 5th or 6th
You know who, but controversially I don’t think John Sillett is number 2, might manage 5th or 6th
That’s because you have these idiotic theory that George Curtis had some involvement in the management of the club which is not supported by anyone who was there at the time - he was selling tickets in the ticket office before he sat alongside Sillett
For the record Jimmy Hill had a zero win ratio in the top flight didn’t he?
You know who, but controversially I don’t think John Sillett is number 2, might manage 5th or 6th
you could also argue he had a 100% record.
You said Bournemouth were an example of good ownership earlier and one we should aspire to.
Their wage budget in the Championship was £30m and posted losses of over £43m - our budget is currently 10% of that
Didn’t he manage the first 4 games?
They were found guilty of FFP rules weren’t they?
Yes this is what Magwitch/rupert_bear wants us to apsire to be
I would say Bournemouth haven’t invested the money very well and nothing for long term gain - academy still the same category, no new ground and no new training ground
"His career away from us has been average at best and it was you who introduced other appointments as a measure"
errr.. how else do you judge someone's career apart from looking at where they've worked in their career?
Yes this is what Magwitch/rupert_bear wants us to apsire to be
I would say Bournemouth haven’t invested the money very well and nothing for long term gain - academy still the same category, no new ground and no new training ground
the argument was concentrating on their respective time with City for a few pages until you opened it out by mentioning Pressleys time elsewhere. I merely pointed out that if you're going to do that then you need to look at Robins career elsewhere which despite what you say isn't great.
You've given extenuating circumstances for why Robins failed at other clubs but have failed to give Pressley the same courtesy. Yes, he got Falkirk relegated, but he had to massively reduce the wage bill and play are large number of kids, what do you think attracted our owners to him as a candidate? You also forget to mention what he contended with at his time with us, the move away and the points deduction, (though strangely you mention the points deduction Robins had to deal with).
Robins has not had a good managerial career apart from his time at us, which again, is all I care about, but you seem obsessed with trying to dress up his very average record elsewhere for some bizarre reason.
No I don’t, but George was a part of a successful duo which wasn’t quite the same when it split. Not getting into great debate about it but Sill a motivator yes but pants in the transfer market, how many strikers did he sign ? When it comes to managing Dave Sexton for example never gets a mention, boring yes but had to work most of his time with fledglings fresh out of the youth team due to no money and a number of those youngsters went onto bigger and better things sadly not here.That’s because you have these idiotic theory that George Curtis had some involvement in the management of the club which is not supported by anyone who was there at the time - he was selling tickets in the ticket office before he sat alongside Sillett
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