Transfer Rumour Marko Stamenic (12 Viewers)

BlueSkiesForever · Jun 7, 2024

procdoc said:
Where did I say he was shit?

I didn’t say that you said he was shit, it’s just implied from what you said, i.e. you said if he could successfully cross balls into the box regularly then he wouldn’t be playing for us.

procdoc said:
You ain’t got much of a clue about football. Robins deems him good enough and I actually know the game and appreciate the qualities Eccles brings to the team

I’m not a football player and never will be good enough but that doesn’t mean all other opinions are invalid, you’d be left with a handful of people on this forum arguing amongst themselves if that was the case.

I respect your opinion, I just think we need to do better than Eccles starting every game if we want to make it to the prem. Not every player can be a Vik or a Gus but we need more of them and should be striving for them rather than hanging onto players like Eccles just because they put in a shift and they’re from Cov (not your reasoning I know but I believe that’s some of the sentiment behind a lot of fans opinions).

skyblu3sk · Jun 7, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
I didn’t say that you said he was shit, it’s just implied from what you said, i.e. you said if he could successfully cross balls into the box regularly then he wouldn’t be playing for us.

I’m not a football player and never will be good enough but that doesn’t mean all other opinions are invalid, you’d be left with a handful of people on this forum arguing amongst themselves if that was the case.

I respect your opinion, I just think we need to do better than Eccles starting every game if we want to make it to the prem. Not every player can be a Vik or a Gus but we need more of them and should be striving for them rather than hanging onto players like Eccles just because they put in a shift and they’re from Cov (not your reasoning I know but I believe that’s some of the sentiment behind a lot of fans opinions).

No doubt about it Eccles has become a decent championship player that most teams would be happy to have in their squad. We need a squad of players that can make it in the championship. Unless we are getting silly money for him I wouldn't have him going anywhere.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jun 7, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Agreed. This Stamenic, Sanches, Rudoni and even Browne are all players that are considered ‘box-to-box’, possibly Rudoni is the exception.

Both Sheaf and Eccles, for all of their tackling and passing, didn’t really impact the game in the box. Of those two, Sheaf is the better player and this is where my past criticisms have been misconstrued somewhat.

The analogy I’d like to put forward is this; Man City wanted to sign Declan Rice when they already had Rodri. They’re not going to play both those players at the same time and would look a better team having the likes of Silva, KDB and Gundogan (back then).

How many assists did Sheaf get this season?

Grendel · Jun 7, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
Your figures look right tbf but I’m sure I read somewhere that we were £5-6 mil in profit, and I’m sure it was something fairly reputable like the BBC or Sky, not some random Twitter account. Maybe EMC is the extra £5 mil I’ve missed out?

Either way, I think for once that “the time is now” when it comes to big transfers. Everything is lined up for us to have a proper crack at automatics, but the squad just needs some improvements. The keeper situation is shit, need better midfielders both on and off the bench and need a new CB, maybe even new LB as backup for Bidwell, I’m not sold on Dasilva tbh.

We lost 7 million in the last accounts and it will be worse in the best set

Cally Fedora · Jun 7, 2024

Strange psyche football fans have. We’ll be over the moon spending 4m on this chap and then his wages if we get him. But we’ve just lost out on Browne, proven at this level and there for the taking. If Stamenic gets to 80% of Browne he’ll be doing well. 4m is a good lot of wages. A rather strange policy.

BlueSkiesForever · Jun 7, 2024

Grendel said:
We lost 7 million in the last accounts and it will be worse in the best set

What you mean by “best set”?

BlueSkiesForever · Jun 7, 2024

skyblu3sk said:
No doubt about it Eccles has become a decent championship player that most teams would be happy to have in their squad. We need a squad of players that can make it in the championship. Unless we are getting silly money for him I wouldn't have him going anywhere.

I think he’s a good player at championship level and I’m not saying we should sell him, I just don’t think relying on him every week is a good thing. He does a lot of basic things really well but isn’t that next-level player that will give us an edge over teams like Burnley, Leeds, West Brom, Luton, Norwich etc, and that’s not even considering teams like Preston and Swansea who we never manage to beat.

Chris1987 · Jun 7, 2024

Cally Fedora said:
Strange psyche football fans have. We’ll be over the moon spending 4m on this chap and then his wages if we get him. But we’ve just lost out on Browne, proven at this level and there for the taking. If Stamenic gets to 80% of Browne he’ll be doing well. 4m is a good lot of wages. A rather strange policy.

I can see both sides. Browne is a ready made solution . This guy is only 22 having played in the Champions League with massive potential for improvement. Our coaching staff have a great track record of player development. Browne would have little resale value , the other scenario is the potentially the opposite

skyblu3sk · Jun 7, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
I think he’s a good player at championship level and I’m not saying we should sell him, I just don’t think relying on him every week is a good thing. He does a lot of basic things really well but isn’t that next-level player that will give us an edge over teams like Burnley, Leeds, West Brom, Luton, Norwich etc, and that’s not even considering teams like Preston and Swansea who we never manage to beat.

We need that type of solid player though and I do think if we had to buy a player on the same level as Eccles we'd be surprised how much it would cost us. He has mixed it up with everyone he played this season though. I have been impressed.

skyblu3sk · Jun 7, 2024

Cally Fedora said:
Strange psyche football fans have. We’ll be over the moon spending 4m on this chap and then his wages if we get him. But we’ve just lost out on Browne, proven at this level and there for the taking. If Stamenic gets to 80% of Browne he’ll be doing well. 4m is a good lot of wages. A rather strange policy.

I guess Browne is a known entity in that he's decent but at heart we are all gamblers and want the new chap to piss it and net us £40m...

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 7, 2024

Chris1987 said:
I can see both sides. Browne is a ready made solution . This guy is only 22 having played in the Champions League with massive potential for improvement. Our coaching staff have a great track record of player development. Browne would have little resale value , the other scenario is the potentially the opposite

Yes but he’s played in the Champions League because he plays in a top side in a poor league.

We need a balanced team which includes experience, not just prospects on long contracts. Not all of these prospects come off and they can be very expensive when you includes the fee and wages of a long contract.

Chris1987 · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Yes but he’s played in the Champions League because he plays in a top side in a poor league.

We need a balanced team which includes experience, not just prospects on long contracts. Not all of these prospects come off and they can be very expensive when you includes the fee and wages of a long contract.

Get your point that not all come off but being a gambler at heart I prefer this approach as the track record of the current scouting and coaching teams is pretty good

BlueSkiesForever · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Yes but he’s played in the Champions League because he plays in a top side in a poor league.

We need a balanced team which includes experience, not just prospects on long contracts. Not all of these prospects come off and they can be very expensive when you includes the fee and wages of a long contract.

Come on Herts, you know deep down you want to go for the wild, good-looking pick that is Stamenic, let’s live a little The dull, grey future that a 29 year old bloke from Preston called “Browne” offers is not very appetising…

fatso · Jun 7, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
100% agree, as consistent as Eccles is (and I’m not saying we should sell him) he doesn’t provide enough oomph going forward. I get that his role isn’t to provide goals but when the opportunity arises he’s not accurate enough and doesn’t create enough assists or threatening chances.

It’s mainly Sheaf’s role to mop up play from the opposition, we can’t have all our midfielders soaking up attacks, we need our midfield to create more chances for our strikers/wingers to latch onto in my view.

If Eccles offered more going forward, he'd already be in the Premier League.

TomRad85 · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Yes but he’s played in the Champions League because he plays in a top side in a poor league.

We need a balanced team which includes experience, not just prospects on long contracts. Not all of these prospects come off and they can be very expensive when you includes the fee and wages of a long contract.

Which ones haven't come off for us? Our scouting is good, stop being so neggy.

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TomRad85 · Jun 7, 2024

Ridiculous people can't just enjoy what we're doing right now after what we've been through. You just know this guy will be another gem if he's the one we're going after.

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Deleted member 9744 · Jun 7, 2024

Chris1987 said:
Get your point that not all come off but being a gambler at heart I prefer this approach as the track record of the current scouting and coaching teams is pretty good

Having lived through the Ron Atkinson days I can't agree. We have to live within our means. Last season we made some great signings but also some poor ones. Having so many players on long contracts is expensive and not having a balanced squad which includes players experienced at this level isn't a recipe for success in my view.

Deity · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Yes but he’s played in the Champions League because he plays in a top side in a poor league.

We need a balanced team which includes experience, not just prospects on long contracts. Not all of these prospects come off and they can be very expensive when you includes the fee and wages of a long contract.

Experienced pros don’t always come off either ….

Waghorn, Simon Moore. Maguire, Todd Kane,

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 7, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Which ones haven't come off for us? Our scouting is good, stop being so neggy.

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I think most people would say Collins, Latibeaudiere and Dasilva weren't a success and many argue Kitching and Thomas too, although I wouldn't. They are all on four year contracts. Fatso would even argue Wright.

I am hardly negative, and indeed challenge negative remarks about players. I just making a point that we need a balanced squad.

Chris1987 · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Having lived through the Ron Atkinson days I can't agree. We have to live within our means. Last season we made some great signings but also some poor ones. Having so many players on long contracts is expensive and not having a balanced squad which includes players experienced at this level isn't a recipe for success in my view.

The burning question is whether you trust the current regime to get get it right or not. Therein lies the gamble.

BlueSkiesForever · Jun 7, 2024

fatso said:
If Eccles offered more going forward, he'd already be in the Premier League.

I agree but that’s the sort of player we need, someone that can get us into the prem, we shouldn’t be satisfied with a midfielder that’s not good enough for the prem. We’ve scouted players like Van Ewijk and Sakamoto who are capable of being in the prem, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t be looking for more of that quality in midfield.

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 7, 2024

Chris1987 said:
The burning question is whether you trust the current regime to get get it right or not. Therein lies the gamble.

Well we don't even know what they are going to do. There are so many assumptions about us following the so called model.

Chris1987 · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Well we don't even know what they are going to do. There are so many assumptions about us following the so called model.

Indeed but looking at the overall picture we have far more profitable assets than unprofitable ones.

BlueSkiesForever · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Well we don't even know what they are going to do. There are so many assumptions about us following the so called model.

I think it’s working though, the club’s in the best state it’s been for decades and the punts from European leagues have worked so far. I’d rather risk it and go for Stamenic than Browne.

Chris1987 · Jun 7, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
I think it’s working though, the club’s in the best state it’s been for decades and the punts from European leagues have worked so far. I’d rather risk it and go for Stamenic than Browne.

Agree.

TomRad85 · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
I think most people would say Collins, Latibeaudiere and Dasilva weren't a success and many argue Kitching and Thomas too, although I wouldn't. They are all on four year contracts.

I am hardly negative, and indeed challenge negative remarks about players. I just making a point that we need a balanced squad.

3 cheap players who will end up being squad players, or shifted on, its hardly the end of the world. The investments we've made have put us in the most stable position we've been in my lifetime, if we need money we probably have 4 players we could sell for upwards of £10 million tomorrow and several more we could sell for a good few million too. I wouldn't be against a couple of experienced heads at all, in fact I'm all for Browne, but we are doing what we need to do to move forward.

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Deleted member 9744 · Jun 7, 2024

TomRad85 said:
3 cheap players who will end up being squad players, or shifted on, its hardly the end of the world. The investments we've made have put us in the most stable position we've been in my lifetime, if we need money we probably have 4 players we could sell for upwards of £10 million tomorrow and several more we could sell for a good few million too. I wouldn't be against a couple of experienced heads at all, in fact I'm all for Browne, but we are doing what we need to do to move forward.

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But if you want an effective team rather than just potential money you need experience too. That's not being negative. The role Kelly, Godden, McFadzean and others have played in recent years goes beyond just their individual output in the pitch. We have lost that.

Deity · Jun 7, 2024

I do think we will add some experience this summer.

TomRad85 · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
But if you want an effective team rather than just potential money you need experience too. That's not being negative. The role Kelly, Godden, McFadzean and others have played in recent years goes beyond just their individual output in the pitch. We have lost that.

Sheaf is experienced. O'Hare is an experienced Championship player too if we are able to keep him, which I hope we pull a rabbit out the hat and do.
Could argue Eccles is experienced too.

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Chris1987 · Jun 7, 2024

Deity said:
I do think we will add some experience this summer.

"You'll never win anything with kids" but do agree

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 7, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Sheaf is experienced. O'Hare is an experienced Championship player too if we are able to keep him, which I hope we pull a rabbit out the hat and do.
Could argue Eccles is experienced too.

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Pretty sure we won't see any more of O'Hare although I hope I am wrong. Yes Sheaf and Eccles have some experience but not like Kelly and Fads and they don't carry that leadership role. I think part if our problem second half of the season was the lack of leaders.

Chris1987 · Jun 7, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Pretty sure we won't see any more of O'Hare although I hope I am wrong. Yes Sheaf and Eccles have some experience but not like Kelly and Fads and they don't carry that leadership role. I think part if our problem second half of the season was the lack of leaders.

We just need one experienced vocal organiser who has the respect of the players

TomRad85 · Jun 7, 2024

Chris1987 said:
We just need one experienced vocal organiser who has the respect of the players

I'd go along with that. Too much experience (by this I'm guessing people are talking about older players) usually equals a load of slightly over the hill Championship players draining wages. 1 or 2 very carefully selected ones at most.
Ultimately I just think having better players than the opposition counts for more.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 7, 2024

TomRad85 said:
I'd go along with that. Too much experience (by this I'm guessing people are talking about older players) usually equals a load of slightly over the hill Championship players draining wages. 1 or 2 very carefully selected ones at most.
Ultimately I just think having better players than the opposition counts for more.

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Often it doesn’t and the best managers get better than the sum of a team’s parts.

Old Warwickshire lad · Jun 7, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
I think he’s a good player at championship level and I’m not saying we should sell him, I just don’t think relying on him every week is a good thing. He does a lot of basic things really well but isn’t that next-level player that will give us an edge over teams like Burnley, Leeds, West Brom, Luton, Norwich etc, and that’s not even considering teams like Preston and Swansea who we never manage to beat.

I have always supported the kid and always will ( apart from them (****in corners).
Cost us nothing and has improved every season.
As we have got better, so has he.
Adi rates him one of the best midfield players in the division, that’s good enough for me.

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