Grendel
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So the council agreed a consensus with the public in their decision to merge with Birmingham then?
Morally because you support Coventry City Football Club. I see where you are coming from and I am as frustrated as you are; but plenty of non fans see it differently. CCC don't just represent the football fans.
The problem about using average attendance's is it presumes that its the same people attending every home game. I remember Ashdown saying a year or so ago that there were 150k individual customers on the ccfc database. Average attendance's dont tell you anything.And based on average attendances it's a tiny minority!
Like I keep saying. SISU need to move on to move forward!
I am referring to an allegation a saints fan changed allegiance when wasps arrived. I don't believe that to be the case. Do you?
I know quite a few People from across the midlands who are now regularly attending the Ricoh as Wasps fans. I also know quite a few ex saints fans now going to the Ricoh. It's all a bit weird for me but the loyalty in Rugby certainly is of a different nature.
Still don't agree that the RFC allows clubs to move. The FA were right to ban it after Wimbledon for foitball. Must be a reason why it's not banned in the rules of rugby?
Do you think if Manchester United or Chelsea moved to coventry they would attract any support from the local community?
As for ex saints fans they are as passionate as football fans so that my friend is a lie.
So the council agreed a consensus with the public in their decision to merge with Birmingham then?
His post is indeed full of shit. I would hazard he only mentioned Saints as he read my post firts, before he posted.
I cant abide clueless drivel written by people about a sport and its fans that they clearly know nothing about.
Do you think if Manchester United or Chelsea moved to coventry they would attract any support from the local community?
As for ex saints fans they are as passionate as football fans so that my friend is a lie.
All due respect Moff do one.His post is indeed full of shit. I would hazard he only mentioned Saints as he read my post firts, before he posted.
I cant abide clueless drivel written by people about a sport and its fans that they clearly know nothing about.
Indeed but for things to move forward someone has to make the first move. As he's new in the role he is in the ideal position to offer the olive branch. Just say can we get together and see if there's a way to resolve things.
He's not saying what I think mate. If the council gave a shit about the club they'd have done what they promised and given it some time to build trust rather than jumping straight into bed with Wasps. I'd rather he just shut up about the club and quit pretending to care - it's crocodile tears.
If the Council want to draw a line under it maybe they could help by trying to find somewhere in or near the city for a new ground.
Really? Stating Sports Clubs (not just football clubs) shouldn't be moved from their communities yet sell to Wasps.
Publically stating ownership would be discussed but trust needs to be built up first despite having already done a deal with Wasps?
I'm sure if that was SISU your attitude would be v totally different.
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True fans don't care if the charity got a single penny back. They made the investment the same as sisu.
Yes and would still draw a crowd from elsewhere because Glory hunters will travel. Plenty of people in the local community support those teams. Manchester United could move anywhere and be supported but that is not the point. The point is is they/ are MANCHESTER UNITED.
Does your Saints fan live in Northampton, are they from Northampton. I have an avid and passionate one next door to me with no connection to Northampton. So how is he part of the Northampton community.
Didn't you know he is on a 6 figure salary that makes him a better person then the rest of us.I've obviously missed something, who compared Mutton ,Sepalla and Lucas with regard
to there personal wealth and success.
Not the "they wanted it for free line", what bollocks.
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Do you think if Manchester United or Chelsea moved to coventry they would attract any support from the local community?
As for ex saints fans they are as passionate as football fans so that my friend is a lie.
Indeed but for things to move forward someone has to make the first move. As he's new in the role he is in the ideal position to offer the olive branch. Just say can we get together and see if there's a way to resolve things.
Moff rugby is a slightly different beast and if you know as much as you make out you know franchising exists in rugby. I have certainly read articles on it.
It takes a slightly different form in rationalisation, look at Welsh teams and Irish teams in the Pro 12. Scottish rugby ploughed money into Glasgow a non rugby city at the cost of another team/region now out of existence. Wasps aren't the only team trying to move out of London or trying to change leagues to get a different market are they?
If you are not aware of these facts you are not a rugby fan.
I assume that the 'decent journalist' you refer to is Les (It's the Butts, you read it here exclusive.... Oh, I've been sold a pup) Reid?Properly exposing council decisions regarding £14.4m of public money to scrutiny has nothing to do with going to the polls - so that's a pretty easy straw man to demolish. What the council seemingly did here is pressurise the CET to the point of costing a decent journalist his job, just so they could make the bailout in secret.
It most certainly is not standard business practice to go to the press saying that you want to take time to build trust with someone, whilst behind their back doing a deal with someone else. That unless you're in a particularly shitty, lying kind of business, and you don't give a bollocks about your reputation. That isn't (or at least shouldn't be) the same as the business as running local government.
When Tony, when exactly did SISU get the opportunity to bid for the Ricoh on the same terms as Wasps? On a 250-year lease, and at a similar price?
That question I'll answer for you, because I'm heartily sick of the bullshit here. Never, is when.
Anyone who thinks that this I'm saying this in defence of SISU is a dribbling idiot frankly, but I'm amazed that there are still so many in denial about what the council have done here. SISU will be gone one day, and I'll have a bottle of Champagne ready for when they go. However unless Wasps fail, they'll own the arena for the next 250 years.
SISU might have battered the club, but by doing what they've done the council have pretty much killed it.
He's not he is the same as one if my work colleagues and a mate
One from the Black Country one from Coventry
Both Saints fans. Both now go to the Ricoh
Both still say they are saints fans
Neither born in Northampton or have any connection there.
I also know of Leicester fans doing the same thing.
Well didn't they?
What was it Sir Tim and Co said?
Not worth anything will give the Charithy some money as a good gesture:laugh:?
Will move to Northampton and the fans will come:laugh:?
No one else will want it?
Will build our own ground:laugh:?
Will let you all know in Three weeks:laugh:?
Nobody will talk to us:facepalm:?
We only need 12.000 fans to break even, sorry make that 14,000, sorry put up season ticket prices:thinking about:?
For fans of other clubs we are like a sketch from the "Comedy Club".
For us it is more like "A Nightmare on Elms Street"
I know a few they are/were cov fans but don't go to the Ricoh anymore to watch cov, they're now wasps fans and go and watch them instead.There are football fans and rugby fans I don't know many who do both and none who have given up CCFC for Wasps
Really? Stating Sports Clubs (not just football clubs) shouldn't be moved from their communities yet sell to Wasps.
Publically stating ownership would be discussed but trust needs to be built up first despite having already done a deal with Wasps?
I'm sure if that was SISU your attitude would be v totally different.
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But they said they wanted to build trust before talking about ownership whilst they were already doing the wasps deal behind their back. Regardless if whether they could trust sisu or not, they outright lied.Trust works both ways.
How do you know that SISU would not just continue to go for the freehold of the stadium once Wasps were out the way.
All the indications were that they would and CCC could not take the chance.
This!
People need to stop comparing CCFC and Wasps and focus on City!
Trust works both ways.
How do you know that SISU would not just continue to go for the freehold of the stadium once Wasps were out the way.
All the indications were that they would and CCC could not take the chance.
Before we focus on City we need a plan from Sisu to follow.
Amusingly, I remember many people on here (who've actually posted on this thread) saying don't sell to SISU as they will just borrow against it, they can't be trusted, yet cheer on the Wasps franchise, who within months borrowed against the stadium.
And yes, I'm talking about fools like you. CCC should have sold to CCFC owners whoever they were and put in provision that the stadium could not be sold, borrowed against, etc.
As I've said many times before SISU have screwed us up for a decade or two, CCC have screwed us for generations.
We will never recover. The "could not take the chance" line is pathetic.
Well don't sell the stadium until SISU had fucked off then. At the time they were telling us thatbrhe stadium ans acl were in fine shape.But CCC couldn't sell to the owners of CCFC because the owners of CCFC couldn't agree on a deal. They kept changing the parameters of any deal being discussed....for one purpose to distress ACL and drive the price down. It is clear to everyone who looks at it except fools like you.
We are where we are Torch and the solutions are ahead of us. Continually raking over the past will not move the club forward.
This!
People need to stop comparing CCFC and Wasps and focus on City!
Well don't sell the stadium until SISU had fucked off then. At the time they were telling us thatbrhe stadium ans acl were in fine shape.
The stadium was built for Coventry City. We paid more in rent in ten years than Wasps paid.
And i want the best for ccfc, not wasps, acl or the local authority like you and others seem to want. If that makes me a fool then I'm a fool.
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