shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Mostly Sisus reaction TBH. And the fact that’s what Wasps are putting through the back channels.
Why are you so against them trying? What are you scared might happen?
No, we have heard Linnell say it. Again, the week before he said it didn't even exist.
Also, somebody in the local media has told Pete that the club had an issue with it being discussed. Tenner says it was him also.
The action can't be dropped. What makes you, CJ and Linnell think otherwise?
I’m not sure what your deal is but you’re coming across as totally out of control.
We have opened dialogue and had an initial conversation with Wasps and SISU. Because of the civil and balanced approach it’s reasonable to assume further opportunities will arise to ask questions regarding any and all aspects of the current situation and any future developments.
There were no applause and no waving of spears. It’s a good basis for mutual respect and becoming a voice in the proceedings, both fair and harsh when required.
Forget the Trust for a minute. This is nothing but positive.
Like the council calling sisu's bluff by offering them land? You were against that one strangely weren't you?
Mostly Sisus reaction TBH. And the fact that’s what Wasps are putting through the back channels.
Why are you so against them trying? What are you scared might happen?
No I think you’ll find I’ve been calling for that for years but it’s not likely to happen them giving them land below market rate
As I say fair play for going and the fact you’ve come away exactly how the Trust have with Wasps kinda proves my point about it not being evil conspiracies but rather the realities of trying to get answers and maintain relationships.
But there are clear questions you haven’t asked.
The big one being Wasps are clearly asking for a Sisu to contact the ECJ and ask for the case to be forgotten. You accepted the non answer about whether this would work but didn’t ask why they don’t try and call Wasps bluff if that’s the case.
The forum was a stadium forum Sandra Garlick set up ages ago with far more detail about the new ground than we have now. Where did it go? Why was it stopped? Likely it was just PR bullshit and if so what’s different this time? You can’t just accept “oh yes we want a stadium” on face value.
In terms of timescales again you didn’t ask, you assumed based on a five year deal but what are the deadlines? If we haven’t found land in the next three years what then? Isn’t this just more kicking it into the long grass while we wait for the state aid case? Essentially we are being told the same thing we have for six years with even less evidence it’s actually happening and are expected to just take this as gospel?
Like I say I get it. You don’t want to annoy them now you’ve got access. That’s to be expected and that’s what’s happened on the other wise with the Trust. The whole situation was so foreseeable and frustrating.
Mark and Pete thanks for so much hard work and communication with Wasps, Sissu and us the fans. I think this is possibly the most positive meeting/discussion that we have had, certainly that we, the fans, have been advised of. Please keep up the dialogue with both CCFC and Wasps. There is one other pary I would urge you to now meet and that is CCC. Needless to say the biggest question I would love to be raised is IF they (CCC) are found to be at fault by EU would they (CCC) be willing to meet the indemnity that WASPS are requiring from CCFC.There’s some good challenge in there and I am happy to answer for me and allow mark to answer for him
I think we feel it’s very pro ccfc not sisu
I don’t think I’ve ever thought a new stadium was realistic I now think it is. We didn’t ask about timescales but they are very excited about a particular site (3 weeks comes to mind)
Not sure about funding, ccfc will take all the funds needed to compete. Who knows who will own it. We could and hope to ask more about this. For me this is an ongoing conversation with the immediate priority of getting Coventry back to Coventry.
I think it’s clear we did ask and the answer was there’s no point as the eu will follow up if there’s a case to answer.
the legals and indemnity are part of the nda paragraph
No applause but meeting was respectful and polite as it should be
Next steps are for Joy to talk to Derek and get back to Coventry then we can argue over new stadium
thanks for staying on here and articulating you’re views so well
The thing is, Pete is far from Biased or a "SISU Lover". I can remember threads where he was staying in the ground singing SISU out. He has hammered councillors asking for questions too I think, he's spoken to Wasps and also SISU.
Could you get much more balanced?
Is anyone saying otherwise?
When CJ put it to me I asked for tangible proof that asking for it to be forgotten would make any difference, he didn't provide anything to me despite them all being of public record.
If Wasps said they would let us play at the Ricoh if Joy became an alchemist some would be begging her to try it out.
The issue is the fucking indemnity clause, the indemnity clause is controlled by Wasps. Anything else is white noise.
You are the only one having a meltdown over it.
Show me the legal procedure where they can drop this action?Let’s cut the crap. The issue is Sisu won’t drop what is clearly a dead end legal case and an attempt to distress ACL. The indemnity is clearly a last ditch attempt after Sisu said they’d love to stop it but can’t to try and put pressure on Sisu to stop.
Joy clearly said here that she won’t stop the legals for anything and ultimately that’s what’s keeping us out of Cov (and six years of inaction on building a ground). But we aren’t allowed to say that and all have to pretend we don’t know what’s going on because fucking reasons.
Let’s cut the crap. The issue is Sisu won’t drop what is clearly a dead end legal case and an attempt to distress ACL. The indemnity is clearly a last ditch attempt after Sisu said they’d love to stop it but can’t to try and put pressure on Sisu to stop.
Joy clearly said here that she won’t stop the legals for anything and ultimately that’s what’s keeping us out of Cov (and six years of inaction on building a ground). But we aren’t allowed to say that and all have to pretend we don’t know what’s going on because fucking reasons.
You really need to learn to read.
It really isn't me who is struggling here.
In your view then joy etc are not being fully honest here and putting out what they want people to hear ?That’d be a first.
My issue is that we didn’t ask any of the questions that need asking and yet came away as if it was a grand success. If you can’t see how we are being played then fair enough. I’m fucking pissed that we’ve yet again proved we can make no inroads here and will be waiting forever. I’ve not said Pete is biased. He knows I don’t think that. I have said that we seem to care more about being near buds with the club than challenging their statements to get to the truth. Which is understandable, but annoying for someone who wants to see this resolved and thinks adding another fans group to the mix with half the info won’t achieve that.
It’s biased because you only speak to one side. Same as the Trust because they burned their bridges. We will see what Wasps give up if and when that meeting happens and how it’s different from what the Trust have been saying. Right now it’s just a repeat of Boddys program notes to compare to the repeat of Wasps PR the Trust give us. It’s fucking pointless and we are being taken for a ride and no one can ask any difficult questions of either side for fear of not being allowed at the big boys table. For all the “why don’t you ask X” posts on here about the Trust and the media we’ve just done the exact same. Not a single question asked and every answer taken as gospel. Because that’s what happens when you are being used for PR. Just like the Trust are.
Whatever. This is going to become ten people shouting at me again. We’ll see where this goes.
Let’s cut the crap. The issue is Sisu won’t drop what is clearly a dead end legal case and an attempt to distress ACL. The indemnity is clearly a last ditch attempt after Sisu said they’d love to stop it but can’t to try and put pressure on Sisu to stop.
Joy clearly said here that she won’t stop the legals for anything and ultimately that’s what’s keeping us out of Cov (and six years of inaction on building a ground). But we aren’t allowed to say that and all have to pretend we don’t know what’s going on because fucking reasons.
Let’s cut the crap. The issue is Sisu won’t drop what is clearly a dead end legal case and an attempt to distress ACL. The indemnity is clearly a last ditch attempt after Sisu said they’d love to stop it but can’t to try and put pressure on Sisu to stop.
Joy clearly said here that she won’t stop the legals for anything and ultimately that’s what’s keeping us out of Cov (and six years of inaction on building a ground). But we aren’t allowed to say that and all have to pretend we don’t know what’s going on because fucking reasons.
Struggling to follow your views here mate ?
Let’s cut the crap. The issue is Sisu won’t drop what is clearly a dead end legal case and an attempt to distress ACL. The indemnity is clearly a last ditch attempt after Sisu said they’d love to stop it but can’t to try and put pressure on Sisu to stop.
Joy clearly said here that she won’t stop the legals for anything and ultimately that’s what’s keeping us out of Cov (and six years of inaction on building a ground). But we aren’t allowed to say that and all have to pretend we don’t know what’s going on because fucking reasons.
That’d be a first.
My issue is that we didn’t ask any of the questions that need asking and yet came away as if it was a grand success. If you can’t see how we are being played then fair enough. I’m fucking pissed that we’ve yet again proved we can make no inroads here and will be waiting forever. I’ve not said Pete is biased. He knows I don’t think that. I have said that we seem to care more about being near buds with the club than challenging their statements to get to the truth. Which is understandable, but annoying for someone who wants to see this resolved and thinks adding another fans group to the mix with half the info won’t achieve that.
You do know that Eastwood ( the wasps guy) has said that it wasn't the EU complaint that caused the talks to break down......
Don’t mean much unless we know what it was. I mean was it the refusal to not have future action? Was it the indemnity? Neither technically the EU case but related. We’re all just pissing in the wind here. All the more reason I’d like to see us put some pressure on the owners to build a ground.
In your view then joy etc are not being fully honest here and putting out what they want people to hear ?
Don’t mean much unless we know what it was. I mean was it the refusal to not have future action? Was it the indemnity? Neither technically the EU case but related. We’re all just pissing in the wind here. All the more reason I’d like to see us put some pressure on the owners to build a ground.
But you have not answered any of my posts - other that that about your backside - as to why WASPs are getting involved in a matter that does not involve them
We, we??? What the fuck have you done?That’d be a first.
My issue is that we didn’t ask any of the questions that need asking and yet came away as if it was a grand success. If you can’t see how we are being played then fair enough. I’m fucking pissed that we’ve yet again proved we can make no inroads here and will be waiting forever. I’ve not said Pete is biased. He knows I don’t think that. I have said that we seem to care more about being near buds with the club than challenging their statements to get to the truth. Which is understandable, but annoying for someone who wants to see this resolved and thinks adding another fans group to the mix with half the info won’t achieve that.
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