Meeting with Joy Seppala & Dave Boddy - Thursday 27th February 2020 (3 Viewers)
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Skyblueweeman
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Just come to Iceland for a few days with Mrs WM and I get off the plane and there's a new post with 100s of messages!
Firstly well done Pete and Mark. Stellar effort.
I've 'only' read the first 300 posts and am now heading out to explore this beautiful place. All I can see is a great effort and positive responses from all but one.
It's a start and has started a great debate about next steps. For that, they and we collectively should be applauded.
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Firstly well done Pete and Mark. Stellar effort.
I've 'only' read the first 300 posts and am now heading out to explore this beautiful place. All I can see is a great effort and positive responses from all but one.
It's a start and has started a great debate about next steps. For that, they and we collectively should be applauded.
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clint van damme
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Isn't Joy Icelandic (or is it Finnish?). Get her tracked down WM.
Grendel
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IrishSkyBlue
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Only saw this thread now read a bit of it just my own thoughts on alot of the above, firstly great work by pete and mark its a step in the right direction and to give alot of us a voice on here towards other parties and groups involved.
1. as above main goal here is how as fans can we help stear the club back to coventry and try get details out of sisu about a new ground.
2. i think we can all see what pete and mark will do for us, linking waps and sisu and ccc not being biased by not going in all guns blazing and being level headed with good questions to try get us fans answers without pissing off the parties they are tlaking to.
3. main sticking point is we want proof of a site for new staduim, i dont know how that all works but sisu need provide something that gets the ball rolling so fans can finally move on but only time will tell we dont control behind the scenes but least pete and mark are trying to get us answers.
all in all were top of league 1 we might get promoted and all we can do is hope a deal is struck with wasps to get us back to coventry and sisu come out with saying they have got a site fingers crossed, for long time we have been negative, things can change quickly if we get promoted so that should be the main focus then see what happens after that!
1. as above main goal here is how as fans can we help stear the club back to coventry and try get details out of sisu about a new ground.
2. i think we can all see what pete and mark will do for us, linking waps and sisu and ccc not being biased by not going in all guns blazing and being level headed with good questions to try get us fans answers without pissing off the parties they are tlaking to.
3. main sticking point is we want proof of a site for new staduim, i dont know how that all works but sisu need provide something that gets the ball rolling so fans can finally move on but only time will tell we dont control behind the scenes but least pete and mark are trying to get us answers.
all in all were top of league 1 we might get promoted and all we can do is hope a deal is struck with wasps to get us back to coventry and sisu come out with saying they have got a site fingers crossed, for long time we have been negative, things can change quickly if we get promoted so that should be the main focus then see what happens after that!
shmmeee
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I’ve had my own run ins with the council. Doesn’t mean everything they do is shit though without actual evidence.
Two points:
1) The Ricoh vote was unanimous. The council elections are coming up and Labour are in decline. If there was any kind of stick to beat the Labour council with the others would be doing it. But they aren’t. Because they agree with the councils decisions. That’s why I’m saying every single member of the council. Do you know how rare cross party consensus is in politics? There’s been no whistleblower. No political capital being made. Nothing. And we’ve given them plenty of opportunities and opposition politicians don’t refuse a chance at some press slagging off the incumbents without reason.
2) I 100% agree about the playing side and have said many many times how well we are run on the pitch and what a good job Boddy is doing. But this isn’t the playing side. This is the same bollocks we’ve had for years and it boils down to two questions that we are either refusing to ask or refusing to investigate the answers to: Are you willing to drop the legals to get us back to the Ricoh short term (despite all the smoke and mirrors and brave attempts at defending it in this thread the answer here is clearly “no”.) Are you building a ground so we don’t have to rely on the Ricoh? Again the evidence suggests no and we are being asked to trust them same as we were six and a half years ago. No follow up as to why this time is different just the same “oh I looked into Joys eyes and she really means it” we’ve been hearing for years.
Garden path.
Not angry we’ve made no progress in six and a half years. Not angry we would rather chase a legal wild goose than sort the future of the club out. Angry someone didn’t buy it.
If this was a thread about meeting Wasps and we hadn’t asked about the indemnity or had just accepted a clearly nonsense answer I’d be just as angry. But it’s not. It’s about Sisu and what they can do. Which some people seem intent on ignoring.
Colin Steins Smile
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From my perspective there are two businesses that both need a deal if they are to prosper. Wasps have a £35M bond to repay and desperately need additional income and for SISU to have a viable business to "sell on", at some point, they need security of tenure.
Additionally, for CCFC to potentially prosper in the Championship [fingers crossed we finish the job], then MR needs a big uplift in revenue available to him. A successful Championship club with a long term home and robust business will be worth a lot more.
Bottom line - both parties need a deal and they may not like or trust each other, but lots of deals are established every day in business.
Additionally, for CCFC to potentially prosper in the Championship [fingers crossed we finish the job], then MR needs a big uplift in revenue available to him. A successful Championship club with a long term home and robust business will be worth a lot more.
Bottom line - both parties need a deal and they may not like or trust each other, but lots of deals are established every day in business.
hill83
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Why do we need to see what one bloke on Twitter is posting on twitter. Not interested.
GaryJones
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Agree 100% with this post.
David O'Day
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Shmeee does chat a lot of whiff in here but he's right that you can't blame the Labour party as all the parties standing would of done the same thing and the Tories on the council backed them 100%
clint van damme
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Agreed. I would also add that lots of deals are established every day in business by parties who are involved in legal disputes relating to other areas of their business with each other.
Grendel
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The argument used by people who are only interested in regime chance or else all say the same thing. They focus on the 6 and a half year stadium argument and this is all Shmmeee is now obsessing on
In the grand scheme it’s irrelevant as obviously the club needs to get back prior to any so called new build
It ignores the reality there has been no real intent to build a stadium and the club have been content to stick with the Ricoh deal
it conveniently ignores council behaviour in trying to obstruct attempts to move (eg the Butts fishing debacle)
Grendel
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The council are relevant
They are pretty much the only council in the uk to have considered its football club to be valueless
Theybe ignored there own statements made at the time
The nonsense around the butts was embarrassing
The hotel development shows they will do anything to help wasps succeed
Fergusons_Beard
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The one thing that really comes out of it is the WASPS supremo Derek Richardson is avoiding meeting with CCFC.
Surely THAT is more of an indicator about the relationship between the parties than anything else.
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Surely THAT is more of an indicator about the relationship between the parties than anything else.
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shmmeee
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So you’re fine that we are being lied to about a new ground? But you’re angry that the council won’t let us build a new ground, that we aren’t going to build? You thought this through?
You think we are best off with a long term deal at the Ricoh under Wasps? Fair enough, I think post promotion that might be viable. Surely then you want to rebuild the relationship with our landlords as at the moment we have something they want (and end to the legal challenges on the Ricoh) and they have something we want (the Ricoh). Why would they not use that leverage? It’s shit they have it but have it they do. The club fucked up trying to strongarm the council and got played and now the people they need a favour from want the legal action dropped (or themselves protecting from it). We got played. It happens. But we are where we are.
Play the “what legals” card all you like but clearly for whatever reason that is what Wasps want. No legals, no indemnity. They are one and the same. Currently the club are refusing to even try and stop the legals just saying “it wouldn’t do anything” but also refusing to say they would drop them if they could.
That’s the long and the short of it. Dress it up in all the conspiracy theories and personal Twitter spats you want, those are still the facts.
mark82
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When I say they are irrelevant, what I mean is they aren't decision makers in terms of agreeing terms between Wasps and CCFC. I fully accept they have a wider role to play.
better days
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Thinking about this since the original post about the positive meeting perhaps this is the start of the inevitable compromise process that will be needed to unblock the mess all parties have created
At the moment there are no winners so it's ultimately going to be resolved at some point
Of course the club have to keep the option of our own stadium on the table as part of our negotiating position but I see it as a very long shot unless the club is sold to fabulously wealthy new owners
At the moment there are no winners so it's ultimately going to be resolved at some point
Of course the club have to keep the option of our own stadium on the table as part of our negotiating position but I see it as a very long shot unless the club is sold to fabulously wealthy new owners
covcity4life
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Oh dear shmeee. You having a bad week?
Yiu can agree duggins is a twat right? So let ppl vent about him
Yiu can agree duggins is a twat right? So let ppl vent about him
chiefdave
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Philosoraptor
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Think the general consensus with the council may have something to do with no one being able tell the difference between Labour and the Conservatives locally.
Fergusons_Beard
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CD when are people going to stop saying that the EU Compliant is a legal thing.
Pisses me off no end
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Philosoraptor
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Whens the new Match Thread going to show?
covcity4life
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They prob tell wasps what to do mate.
shmmeee
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Right. “Against Wasps” which clearly they didn’t think included the current action but Wasps do. Semantic games that lead to the indemnity and the break down of talks.
Why won’t she ask for it to be forgotten or give up her right to appeal? Because she won’t stop. Actions not words matter here.
To hear you tell it Sisu would be happy if the EU allowed her to drop the case right? Yet she won’t even try and that’s fine because “it’ll probably do nothing”. We’ll support a ten man protest because “we gotta do something” but saying some words that won’t do anything is a pointless waste of time. Pull the other one.
shmmeee
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Stop. It’s shorthand. These kind of semantic games help nothing.
Nick
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It's almost as if you are repeating the same thing over and over. You really are no different to those gimps on social media just without the Photoshop skills.
The EU case is between the EU and CCC if it goes ahead.
It can't be dropped.
Giving up the right to appeal was agreed to.
Please, at least try and grasp the basics.
Ring Of Steel
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Not the Trust/ SISU/ Wasps angle but the thought of having a character-free, cheapo ground "like Shrewsbury's" is nauseating and very offputting. If you genuinely do have ambition then you don't plan to build a league one/two standard ground with too few seats for the Championship. We would end up with a (four sided) Kassam Stadium but with sky blue seats. We are not 'that' club. Yes SISU are doing better but if they consign us to a poxy, box like ground forever then all bets are off- if Robins and the team do their bit I would expect them to show exactly what "ambition" looks like for them a few years down the line.
covmark
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hill83
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Fill the corners in and it’s a goer though yeah?
Philosoraptor
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Also with the complaint any stakeholder could of made it.
People and business have the right to do this.
It's not like Labour and the Law Courts to fall fowl of EU Law.
The last labour Government was renowned for people taking them to the EU court on Rights cases and winning after going through the British system of Justice and losing,
People and business have the right to do this.
It's not like Labour and the Law Courts to fall fowl of EU Law.
The last labour Government was renowned for people taking them to the EU court on Rights cases and winning after going through the British system of Justice and losing,
shmmeee
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Vent all you like. Just don't come crying that “for some reason he thinks we don’t like him”.
I’m feeling the same about the rest of the forum TBH. I’m stunned that this is acceptable. Same nice words we were getting in 2013 but apparently that’s fine. Some people seem so obsessed with the council and Wasps that they’ll give the owners a free pass. Whatever happened to “I blame all sides”? Well that’s clearly been exposed as bollocks today. A thread about holding the owners to account and it’s all insults at me for wanting them held to account, half arsed defences of their position, and frothing at Wasps and the council.
chiefdave
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I don't think people have grasped the basics of what any EC investigation would entail. Keep seeing "multiple judges have all said the same", that's exactly the point, the EC take it as read that those judges are correct and that they have applied the law of the land. What they will be looking at is if the law of the land is in line with EU law.