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Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Isn't the message beiong sent out from a large following to MK Dons that of:

"Have the owners hang on in there through the rocky period, and people will forget all about what went before and hand over their cash regardless?"

Doesn't the message there show that SISU are right, and if they can last long enough in a battle of wills, then football fans will crack first and support whatever club owners choose to do with pure, hard cash?

FRY-CCFC · Nov 9, 2013

no.............................

SkyBlueBlood · Nov 9, 2013

If it was a home game yes, but it is not so the thread is way off mark. It is actually a sign of what they could have had if they were not so arrogant.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Why is the thread way off the mark?

Wimbledon were forcibly moved, the home fans boycotted. In the end lack of support from a wider football 'family' means that MK Dons are embraced and, through financial support, encouraged to thrive.

It shows that now there is no link with Coventry, the club may as well be moved to Dublin as fans will soon forget.

Norman Binns · Nov 9, 2013

No on both counts. It's sticking 2 fingers up to the club owners and saying we're prepared to travel in droves to support our team for away fixtures but stay away in droves for home fixtures away from our city.

diggerdaley · Nov 9, 2013

How many fans travel from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes now ?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Norman Binns said:
No on both counts. It's sticking 2 fingers up to the club owners and saying we're prepared to travel in droves to support our team for away fixtures but stay away in droves for home fixtures away from our city.

Wouldn't a more consistent NOPM campaign have been to boycott the club that some fans fear City will mirror, in order to show that even with the passing of time, people will not forget?

Norman Binns · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Wouldn't a more consistent NOPM campaign have been to boycott the club that some fans fear City will mirror, in order to show that even with the passing of time, people will not forget?

No, because we are nowhere near that stage yet if indeed it were to ever happen. On a personal note, I couldn't give 2 hoots about NOPM or standing on a hill. I'd never, on principle, go inside sixfields for a home fixture ever. Not for all the tea in China.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Isn't the message beiong sent out from a large following to MK Dons that of:

"Have the owners hang on in there through the rocky period, and people will forget all about what went before and hand over their cash regardless?"

Doesn't the message there show that SISU are right, and if they can last long enough in a battle of wills, then football fans will crack first and support whatever club owners choose to do with pure, hard cash?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

diggerdaley said:
How many fans travel from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes now ?

So are you suggesting their battle was ultimately futile as there would always be others along to replace them, no matter what they themselves did, and a distinct lack of solidarity from a wider footballing family was always going to provide a cushion to ultimately make their move a success, and see them embraced as a football club no matter what their start in the world?

Norman Binns · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
So are you suggesting their battle was ultimately futile as there would always be others along to replace them, no matter what they themselves did, and a distinct lack of solidarity from a wider footballing family was always going to provide a cushion to ultimately make their move a success, and see them embraced as a football club no matter what their start in the world?

Possibly he is, but where's the correlation between that statement and the original 2 questions you posed?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Norman Binns said:
Possibly he is, but where's the correlation between that statement and the original 2 questions you posed?

For that is the message given out by a large attendance.

Things are quickly forgotten and brushed under the carpet, the owners that end up succeeding are those who don't care how many fans of the club they alienate. In fact giving in to them is the worst thing they can do.

As there are always others, from many sources.

Norman Binns · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
For that is the message given out by a large attendance.

Things are quickly forgotten and brushed under the carpet, the owners that end up succeeding are those who don't care how many fans of the club they alienate. In fact giving in to them is the worst thing they can do.

As there are always others, from many sources.

But that's your belief of the message that's being sent out by a large away following for this fixture. It's not my belief and I'd imagine it's not the viewpoint of many other fans either.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
For that is the message given out by a large attendance.

Things are quickly forgotten and brushed under the carpet, the owners that end up succeeding are those who don't care how many fans of the club they alienate. In fact giving in to them is the worst thing they can do.

As there are always others, from many sources.

I take your point, but I think that the immediate message will be that (most) Coventry fans refuse to attend Sixfields, but still want to watch and support their team.

As for the longer term, I guess there are now fans attending MK games who were not born when the club was taken from its rightful place, so yes, eventually things will "settle down" - albeit for a different fan base.

As Keynes said "in the long run we are all dead".

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
I take your point, but I think that the immediate message will be that (most) Coventry fans refuse to attend Sixfields, but still want to watch and support their team.

As for the longer term, I guess there are now fans attending MK games who were not born when the club was taken from its rightful place, so yes, eventually things will "settle down" - albeit for a different fan base.

As Keynes said "in the long run we are all dead".

The last point is true

As a sidenote, I'd suggest my lack of desire to ever support the club by handing over my message asserts my non scab tendencies rather well

Personally, I'd have thought a mass trip to see Bristol Rovers that day would have made the point far more effectively.

And probably got more coverage, too, drawing attention to the issues of rending a club from its place and fanbase far more, also.

blend · Nov 9, 2013

I get your point, it was very sad what happened to Wimbledon after they fell out with their local council - personally I can certainly see a lot of similarities. It is however, too late to deny Wimbledon the move to MK, it's already happened so any protest against their club seems futile now.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

blend said:
I get your point, it was very sad what happened to Wimbledon after they fell out with their local council - personally I can certainly see a lot of similarities. It is however, too late to deny Wimbledon the move to MK, it's already happened so any protest against their club seems futile now.

It's too late to stop us from moving to Northampton...

However the consequence of their move appears to have been success, and fans going regardless.

Had the consequence been nobody going, NOPM if you like, then the club would be bankrupt soon enough, and there would be no successful precedent for other clubs who claim a dispute with a council, despite the council saying otherwise and protesting the club never really tried to return to the area.

Added kudos for Bristol Rovers btw, given they moved out of Bristol for years, but returned, so a huge gate there would have endorsed the merits of going back, also.

rondog1973 · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
For that is the message given out by a large attendance.

Things are quickly forgotten and brushed under the carpet, the owners that end up succeeding are those who don't care how many fans of the club they alienate. In fact giving in to them is the worst thing they can do.

As there are always others, from many sources.

I attended last season, was a great day out as I'm sure the thousands who also went will testify. This year however, I won't be going. The events at our football club this past year have really brought home how the actions of unscrupulous owners can't be condoned by the wider football fan community. Now find it ironic mind, that last season AFC Wimbledon played there and they sold out their allocation!

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

rondog1973 said:
I attended last season, was a great day out as I'm sure the thousands who also went will testify. This year however, I won't be going. The events at our football club this past year have really brought home how the actions of unscrupulous owners can't be condoned by the wider football fan community. Now find it ironic mind, that last season AFC Wimbledon played there and they sold out their allocation!

Yup, Wimbledon's 'giving up' (the scare quotes are important!) surprises me, I must admit.

Then again, they've claimed 'their' history back, and not like they get wider support from football as a whole.

The 'Dons' suffix is still a nasty little taste as well in my eyes.

Joelly · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yup, Wimbledon's 'giving up' (the scare quotes are important!) surprises me, I must admit.

Then again, they've claimed 'their' history back, and not like they get wider support from football as a whole.

The 'Dons' suffix is still a nasty little taste as well in my eyes.

Dont you go to sixfields?

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Joelly said:
Dont you go to sixfields?

Been once (well, twice, as also stood on the hill), for some research, put my experiences down here.

Haven't called anybody weak, lacking in morals, or scabs for going to MK either.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Here's the threads for you, if you missed them:

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/37932-A-few-thoughts

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/38268-Deep-breath

blend · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's too late to stop us from moving to Northampton...

However the consequence of their move appears to have been success, and fans going regardless.

Had the consequence been nobody going, NOPM if you like, then the club would be bankrupt soon enough, and there would be no successful precedent for other clubs who claim a dispute with a council, despite the council saying otherwise and protesting the club never really tried to return to the area.

Added kudos for Bristol Rovers btw, given they moved out of Bristol for years, but returned, so a huge gate there would have endorsed the merits of going back, also.

We all hope not. The move is temporary according to SISU and the FL. Maybe we shall see more developments on this front if Northampton get relegated to Non-League football?

Anyway you have your view, it isn't mine. I'm going to MK but I won't set foot in Sixfields not now, not ever. If you believe that makes me hypocritical then so be it. For me it doesn't and as I'm sure you'll agree (before you start debating again) that we're all entitled to our own opinion.

blend · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's too late to stop us from moving to Northampton...

However the consequence of their move appears to have been success, and fans going regardless.

Had the consequence been nobody going, NOPM if you like, then the club would be bankrupt soon enough, and there would be no successful precedent for other clubs who claim a dispute with a council, despite the council saying otherwise and protesting the club never really tried to return to the area.

Added kudos for Bristol Rovers btw, given they moved out of Bristol for years, but returned, so a huge gate there would have endorsed the merits of going back, also.

This would make sense in a way...........if you hadn't been to Sixfields.

Joelly · Nov 9, 2013

Well dont try and stop anyone going to MK if youve been to sixfields.

Just seems to me that whatever the majority on here think you have to have the contrasting view.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

blend said:
This would make sense in a way...........if you hadn't been to Sixfields.

Not really.

It still makes sense.

I refer you to the threads. In fact, this very thread and the whole premise behind it.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

Joelly said:
Well dont try and stop anyone going to MK if youve been to sixfields.

Just seems to me that whatever the majority on here think you have to have the contrasting view.

Alternatively I think for myself and give my opinion.

And given the majority on here are anti-SISu and so am I, that means I have the majority view now, no?

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2013

I find those who whine about MK games the same as those groups who claim to speak for disabled or minority groups, even when those groups haven't asked to be spoken for.

The litmus test is what do the majority of the fanbase feel? For MK they've obviously gotten over it. For us, the protest is still live.

On another note: go onto any oppositions board before they play at Sixfields and most are talking about trying to get more away than home fans against one or two claiming they'll stay away in solidarity. That's the tribal nature of football.

Also, you are intentionally blurring the lines between those who won't go to Sixfields and the far smaller subset who think we might be franchised.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

No I'm really not.

What I'm doing is suggesting an inconsistency of message. That's utterly different. The very fact our protest is still live is why the consistency of message is more important than ever before, and going to MK makes the message anything but consistent, it shows that events are easily forgotten.

I'm also not intentionally blurring the lines either. There can be many angles to a point, and making those many angles visible requires it not being a dogmatic one-way forward thrust of one idea and one idea only.

Also I think people who use bizarre analogies are like Arthur Lowe being invited to play Rab C Nesbitt.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

shmmeee said:
On another note: go onto any oppositions board before they play at Sixfields and most are talking about trying to get more away than home fans against one or two claiming they'll stay away in solidarity.

And this is exactly what needs the attention drawn to, that football only works with competition, the desire for the survival of the fittest is what allows for random profit driven owners rather than benefactors to take over the game...

blend · Nov 9, 2013

Confirmation that people will continue to argue for argument's sake. I really cannot believe that you went to Sixfields and yet are criticising those going to MK. True to form you will have some discreet argument tucked up your sleeve. You'll wait for the right time and then like a magician go TA DA! There you have it, told you so, etc etc. I'm not the argumentative type honest, I actually think you write sense a lot of the time, but this time you've lost me completely. Maybe I should wait for the punchline.......drum roll......as for Rab C - he were great weren't he!!

Norman Binns · Nov 9, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
No I'm really not.

What I'm doing is suggesting an inconsistency of message......and going to MK makes the message anything but consistent, it shows that events are easily forgotten.

I couldn’t disagree more with that. Going to MK is consistent with the very clear message that’s been sent to our owners this season in that most of us will not accept being moved from our city, most of us will not be attending home games at Sixfields, but large - sometimes unprecedented - numbers will travel to away games. To me that is a very consistent theme this season thus far.

How have events been easily forgotten by going to Mk?

skybluelee · Nov 9, 2013

Norman Binns said:
No on both counts. It's sticking 2 fingers up to the club owners and saying we're prepared to travel in droves to support our team for away fixtures but stay away in droves for home fixtures away from our city.

Exactly this.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 9, 2013

blend said:
Confirmation that people will continue to argue for argument's sake. I really cannot believe that you went to Sixfields and yet are criticising those going to MK. True to form you will have some discreet argument tucked up your sleeve. You'll wait for the right time and then like a magician go TA DA! There you have it, told you so, etc etc. I'm not the argumentative type honest, I actually think you write sense a lot of the time, but this time you've lost me completely. Maybe I should wait for the punchline.......drum roll......as for Rab C - he were great weren't he!!

The whole point is that a huge turnout at MK isn't proving me wrong in my belief that NOPM will fail to persuade SISU to give up on their strategy. Indeed, it encourages them to continue as it shows fans forgive and forget, hand over cash and sustain a club regardless if it hangs on in there.

Ta for the backhanded compliment mind

One thing that will (probably) happen, is the clubs that left their roots but returned (or are close to doing so completely, back to the lane where they made their name) have by far the lower gate that day, than the club that left its roots but never returned. If you were a shadowy nefarious owner, that would give you food for thought about the sticking power of crowds. Even if our club were to return, it wouldn't exactly convince our owners we mattered after all.

Might be worth pointing out as well, the day it's confirmed we'll never return is the day that hopefully we all bog off to watch Bristol Rovers v Wimbledon.

BurbageSkyBlues · Nov 9, 2013

Absolutely Norman.

My reason for going is to show Sisu what they are losing out on. It is one of the few grounds in this league that

A) will hold as many fans as we can take
B) is close enough for us to take as many fans as possible

It also represents a great experience to be part of a large following, these things are self perpetuating. This season, we are going to end up with a statistic that shows that we have averaged more fans away from home, than at home. That sends a clear message to Sisu.

You are missing out here!

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