Alan Dugdales Moustache
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How far back are you prepared to go ? World War 1 ?
How far back are you prepared to go ? World War 1 ?Ironic that you start a post “grow up” and then fail to recognise that this is a world issue. This issue doesn’t start on the beaches of northern France. If you want a grown up conversation about it you need to start at the point of departure, what the situation is there and what’s the west’s involvement in it. More specifically what’s our involvement in it. Many of these people are fleeing regimes we arm and then carry out atrocities with.
The last 10 years compromises us enough. Made the point earlier in the thread. Reports suggest that those that died were Somalian (a regime we’ve been arming and training since a UN embargo was lifted), Iraqi and Afghanistan (I would hope I don’t need to explain them 2). We’re the 6th biggest arms dealer in the world and we’re not that fussy who we sell too. We send guns in one direction and then act surprised when it sends refugees back.How far back are you prepared to go ? World War 1 ?
Just 10 years ? Very selective.The last 10 years compromises us enough. Made the point earlier in the thread. Reports suggest that those that died were Somalian (a regime we’ve been arming and training since a UN embargo was lifted), Iraqi and Afghanistan (I would hope I don’t need to explain them 2). We’re the 6th biggest arms dealer in the world and we’re not that fussy who we sell too. We send guns in one direction and then act surprised when it sends refugees back.
Just 10 years ? Very selective.
France also take in more refugees.France are far higher
France are far higher
So you base everything on what the French do.France also take in more refugees.
We’re also ignoring our own restrictions and embargo’s to supply countries. 58 countries out of 73 to be exact. Countries guilty of human rights violations.
You talking to me or the person who brought them up in the first place?So you base everything on what the French do.
So you base everything on what the French do.
It’s a disgrace that they feel that they have to risk their lives just to be with their loved ones.BuT wHy Do ThEy CoMe To ThE uK?
It’s a disgrace that they feel that they have to risk their lives just to be with their loved ones.
BuT wHy Do ThEy CoMe To ThE uK?
It’s almost like the UK isn’t actually a soft touch.Whilst it is tragic and the whole situation needs simplifying and sorting....its difficult to ignore the 1st few replies on this specific case....
...he already had British citizenship and she was already in France....so surely just don't get in a fucking dinghy.
Whilst it is tragic and the whole situation needs simplifying and sorting....its difficult to ignore the 1st few replies on this specific case....
...he already had British citizenship and she was already in France....so surely just don't get in a fucking dinghy.
Indeed...but a mad decision on her behalf IMHOIt’s almost like the UK isn’t actually a soft touch.
What else was she supposed to do, continue living rough in Calais? Having British citizenship doesn’t mean you can automatically bring your spouse into the country.Indeed...but a mad decision on her behalf IMHO
How else was she going to get here?Whilst it is tragic and the whole situation needs simplifying and sorting....its difficult to ignore the 1st few replies on this specific case....
...he already had British citizenship and she was already in France....so surely just don't get in a fucking dinghy.
Iraq/TurkeyAm I right in thinking that Kurdistan is a region rather than a country so although the link says she was from Kurdistan she could actually be from Iran.
Was just looking and you’re right but also Western Iran and a little bit of Syria too. Kurds are also persecuted in pretty much all 4 countries. Iran and Turkey especially. Fact is she might not have even had the option of travelling documented in which case this would have been her only option to reunite with her other half.Iraq/Turkey
Indeed. They have been subject to considerable persecution, not least by Saddam Hussein. And of course they don't have their own country.Was just looking and you’re right but also Western Iran and a little bit of Syria too. Kurds are also persecuted in pretty much all 4 countries. Iran and Turkey especially. Fact is she might not have even had the option of travelling documented in which case this would have been her only option to reunite with her other half.
That guy who slapped him a few months back should have been jailed - For not slapping him hard enough.He has in the past scolded the public for calling him by his name and not ‘Monsieur President’. No fan at all but we have to work with him like him or not.
That guy who slapped him a few months back should have been jailed - For not slapping him hard enough.
I have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:
"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.
The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."
Fuck me that’s some absolute bollocks. Was the other website www.angrygammon.co.uk?I have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:
"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.
The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."
How else was she going to get here?
Reading this vile stuff is so depressingI have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:
"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.
The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."
Do you know anyone on a low income/less than average who’s tried to bring a spouse into the UK?Well, with the funding, planning and British fiancee that she had in place, I'm just shocked they thought that was the best option.
If my Mrs. Was in France with a legal visa for Italy still in hand, cash in the bank and me the other side of the channel, there is no way on earth I would have let/asked her to get in a dinghy.
Plenty of other options to be together come to mind....
Anyway....back to the bigger picture....the uk and French govts. need to stop acting like cunts and sort it out......
The main thing is you don't have the automatic right to settle with your partner, even if you're married. Always seemed slightly odd to me tbh.Well, with the funding, planning and British fiancee that she had in place, I'm just shocked they thought that was the best option.
If my Mrs. Was in France with a legal visa for Italy still in hand, cash in the bank and me the other side of the channel, there is no way on earth I would have let/asked her to get in a dinghy.
Plenty of other options to be together come to mind....
Anyway....back to the bigger picture....the uk and French govts. need to stop acting like cunts and sort it out......
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