Astute
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How about saying what results they were getting before he joined and then how they did once he was in place?
Or is it that the results don't go with the shit you are chatting as usual.
How about saying what results they were getting before he joined and then how they did once he was in place?So Wigan collapsing shows he turned the club around.
How far behind Burton and Bristol City were Blackburn when he took over?
How about saying what results they were getting before he joined and then how they did once he was in place?
Or is it that the results don't go with the shit you are chatting as usual.
Answer your question when I am still waiting for an answer?With respect you could answer my question. How much inroads did he make on the football powerhouse Burton and Bristol City. Did he close the gap on them in his tenure?
A simple yes or no will suffice rather than the usual dull "twisting my words" and "chatting shit" diatribe.
Weren't you the chap who hailed Russell Slade as the Messiah?
With there owners and TM heading the recruitment drive for a season in league one good luck.
Best hope they've plenty of contracted players willing to stay on in league one.
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I'm being a little harsh over Chesterfield - He was interested and I reckon that's what unsettled them :meh:
Mowbray left at the end of September, since then we've had 3 other managers and a transfer window, yet you still go on about Mowbray.
We would never have been relegated if we hadn't of appointed your first choice Slade. We are heading to the 4th Division because of SISU's countless failings and dreadful appointments - not because Mowbray signed Dan Ageyi and picked Murphy over OBrien.
I am not sticking up for him. As I said his signings were not good enough. But just read back. Some are trying to say that it wasnhis fault alone that we got relegated and his fault that Blackburn went down.FFS, we didn't win a game in the first TEN games. Anyone who thinks Mowbray wasn't complicit in our relegation is bonkers. He was most definitely one of the main reasons we went down.
Don't care what he did at Blackburn but with us, most definitely at fault.
I can't believe some are still sticking up for him.
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Weren't you the chap who hailed Russell Slade as the Messiah?
It can be said that in the end Mowbray failed here. He is in good company with another 7 or 8 managers who have all failed here. The one consistent factor is Sisu.
When TM first took over, we were heading for the drop. Anyone who saw the final games of that season will have witnessed the changes that he brought about in order to win enough games to stay up, working with the same group of players that under SP were sinking without trace.
Why is he getting grief when he saved us from relegation?
His only full season saw us playing the best football City have played for years. He brought in the first player to score 20 in a season since Dion Dublin. We were top of the league and flying. Yes we fell away but our 8th place finish was equal highest league position for many years.
Why is he getting grief when he achieved this?
Lots will come back and say we should have gone up last season being in such a great position, in which case he is being hung out to dry for raising expectations. I think he got us to have a fairly memorable season in spite of Sisu. At the start of this season lots were saying we had a top six budget, no excuse for failure until Fisher (who on this occasion has no reason to lie) said we had a lower mid table budget.
He can be criticised for our no wins in ten at the start of the season but no one really knows what went on behind the scenes last summer. Those first ten games saw 6 draws and we were never outplayed and were still looking organised. I for one think if TM had stayed we would never have been relegated.
He did the honourable thing and resigned, did not wait to be sacked and pick up a pay check, typical it seems to me of the sort of person he is.
To me he came across as a real traditional football manager, someone who hadn't lost touch with his roots and with the supporters. His after match comments, I think, were generally spot on. I really liked the way he referred to "boys and their dad's going to the football" probably harking back to his own childhood. I also liked the way he didn't do the fist pumping to the fans after a win, he didn't try and court false popularity.
I think it is a shame that some fans turn very quickly and that the man who is the messiah one minute can become a mug the next.
It will be the same for Robins too. I like him and he is popular with the fans. As with TM, he made an impact with the same players who had been constantly failing. However, as soon as we go on a bad run, some fans will have the knives out for him as he becomes yesterday's hero. At some stage there has to be a long term strategy at this club which includes the manager. He needs to be given the tools and the time to fashion the club into a successful cohesive unit from top to bottom. Outline a strategy for success and stick to it. Unfortunately that will never happen under Sisu as everything is short term. There is no football plan.
I hope Mowbray is kept on at Blackburn and gets them promotion next season.
The thing is, now Blackburn have been relegated, people are even more defensive of him. It just proves how much bias and arse licking is going on.
The players we had up until christmas were his doing. Being on zero wins after 10 games were his doing. We all know Slade, SISU etc were big factors in our relegation too, but we're not talking about that here. This is about Mowbray. The two things I mentioned above were instrumental in our relegation and anyone who argues against that just cannot be taken seriously in a debate. It's a non starter.
Yes he gave Blackburn a good go, but they were still relegated. He was fucking shocking after November last year and you can't say: 'He left too early here, but arrived too late there, so none of the relegations are at all his fault.' It's just horse shit. He is highly responsibile for us going to L2 and we would have struggled to stay up regardless of who took over after him.
If Blackburn had stayed up today, many people such as yourself would be saying what a great manager he is. Now he's taken them into League 1 though, 'it's not his fault at all'.
Give me a fucking break.
Yes I was... what's that got to do with this thread? I stick my neck out on his cv but it's wasn't the right fit for the players we had. A bad appointment from above given his style of play and personnel available to him. Put with the fact his s game needs a target man it was only ever gonna go wrong especially as he had no plan B.
Now to TM. I've never questioned him for much and enjoyed his time here and as you say was generally honest in his assessment however the summer recruitment was horrific!
We can say the budget was cut but that don't excuse any manager for not identifying affordable players for the level we're playing at and teams against.
Decisions like releasing Arron Martin, and then paying money out the budget for Jordan Turnbull.
TM only said in the may we needed our own players instead of being heavily reliant on loans which hamstrung any real January recruitment to supplement what we had and help for the flagging AA. Instead we needed defensive reinforcements and that totalled our loans, after building a team around loans. Yes sisu should of put there hands in there pockets too to help the man out.
So 12 months on and he's still going for a team of maxed out loans. Why not get players in on frees that were available that the rest of the league were snapping up.
Yes last season TM had us enjoying football for the first time in ages but that ended spectacularly, with only 6 wins in 2016 with 4 of them in the last 5 games. That's January, February, March and half of April with 2 wins in 16 games since the demolition of Crewe 5-1 at Gresty Road.
Would TM of actually saved us if he'd of stayed, I'm not so sure. We had not won in 10 games on good pitches with a lightweight, goal shy side who were yet to get battered and bullied about in the winter months as we did. The squad assembled wasn't good enough to go 46 games or 23 till the next transfer window to try and re do on loans again.
I don't think he did a bad job at Blackburn with a side with some good strikers already there, was bad luck in the end.
Will he get them promoted, possibly if a bulk of his team stay, if he's a rebuilding job I'm not so sure if he's gonna have the same constraints given there owners.
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What do you think of Pressley? He got an even more threadbare squad playing great footballMy point was that you were championing a manager like Slade who played such an ugly (and losing ) form of football but make quite a sneery comment ("Lord Mowbray" and the comments on the bottom of the Daily Mail article) about someone who, despite his failure at the end, had some notable achievements during his time here, one of which was to produce a team playing free flowing, slick football.
Slade, as with every manager under Sisu, was on a hiding to nothing and I wouldn't particularly criticise him. Mowbray for a while bucked the Sisu trend. For the whole of his time here he behaved with dignity and was very respectful of our club and supporters and therefore in my opinion, doesn't deserve some of the comments made about him on here.
My point was that you were championing a manager like Slade who played such an ugly (and losing ) form of football but make quite a sneery comment ("Lord Mowbray" and the comments on the bottom of the Daily Mail article) about someone who, despite his failure at the end, had some notable achievements during his time here, one of which was to produce a team playing free flowing, slick football.
Slade, as with every manager under Sisu, was on a hiding to nothing and I wouldn't particularly criticise him. Mowbray for a while bucked the Sisu trend. For the whole of his time here he behaved with dignity and was very respectful of our club and supporters and therefore in my opinion, doesn't deserve some of the comments made about him on here.
I wouldn't particularly criticise Pressley either, although his football after the Sixfields season was some of the worst I have seen, (the Notts County defeat at home being an example). He was however, trying to cut the wage bill while also trying to maintain a decent team. I just wish he had been more honest. Were decisions to get rid of the likes of Baker, Murphy and earlier, Wood really footballing decisions as he claimed or were they really financial? I am sure it was the latter.
I agree with a lot you say there, and I did champion slade as his cv suggested he was a miracle worker.
Yes it was ugly style of football but should it work it can win games. That was what we needed and ultimately didn't get like the target man to suit his game.
There is another question. Why bring a man in who played a completely different style of football to the players we had and then not give money to buy that striker and also not give him his assistant to work with.
One of many errors this season.
But to round off I liked what TM stood for and tried to do but his summer recruitment was catastrophic and had a helping hand in this years demise, along with MV, RS, players, and sisu.
That's where I blame TM, the summer recruitment only.
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I agree with a lot you say there, and I did champion slade as his cv suggested he was a miracle worker.
Yes it was ugly style of football but should it work it can win games. That was what we needed and ultimately didn't get like the target man to suit his game.
There is another question. Why bring a man in who played a completely different style of football to the players we had and then not give money to buy that striker and also not give him his assistant to work with.
One of many errors this season.
But to round off I liked what TM stood for and tried to do but his summer recruitment was catastrophic and had a helping hand in this years demise, along with MV, RS, players, and sisu.
That's where I blame TM, the summer recruitment only.
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Recruitment was poor with signings such as Wright seeming to be done as a last gasp attempt to bring in more bodies. Was this all down to TM or was it down to the way the club is run? Neither of us can say for certain. When Tony and then Tim publish their memoirs it will be interesting to see their respective views. I suspect that Mowbray might hold his hands up and say he was at least partly to blame. I am also sure that Tim will agree it was Tony's fault.
I was disappointed that O'Brien and Phillips left. It has to be said that neither these two or Aaron Martin have pulled up any trees for their new clubs.
'His CV suggested he was a miracle worker'
- sacked by Cardiff in May and sacked by Charlton in November, a real miracle worker!!
Easy to look at the last 12 months tho ain't it not what's been achieved in management over a 15 year career and previous firefighting jobs.
Plus not a bad job done at Cardiff while trimming the wage bill.
Didn't work at cov tho the important stat of all, failed badly.
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If you do a bit of topline research, you will see that since Grimsby in 2006, where he couldn't agree a new contract, he has been sacked or forced out of the door at every club he's been at... the good work in a 15 year career you're alluding to is losing in the play offs at Grimsby and Leyton Orient, hardly the stuff of miracles.
Nothing in his CV suggested he could turn us around.
He had the best two strikers in the whole division. They were scoring goals for fun. But he couldn't sort the defence out. Look what happened when he lost the strikers.What do you think of Pressley? He got an even more threadbare squad playing great football
Did anyone else notice that he cocked up yesterday, or was at least ill informed?
On SSN (Alan McInally I think) they said he brought on attackers and had what seemed like 5 up front. Trouble was that they needed to score 4 more goals to catch Forest, which was never, ever going to have happen.
All the pundits agreed on SSN that Blackburn needed to focus on obtaining the win rather than leave themselves short at the back and give their opponents Brentford a chance to get back into their game, because with Forest winning easily elsewhere their only true hope was in that of themselves simply winning and Bristol getting a draw against Birmingham and Birmingham were very much on the back foot in their game.
Bad error, though like I say, he may have been badly informed.
You would think so, but their wage budget must be ridiculous , I expect a mass exodus from Blackburn.Nice to see majority posting sense in here. I was dreading clicking on it haha.
I will put a fiver on them going up next season probably.
Depends what you mean by threadbare. Moussa, Baker, Wilson, Clarke, Christie, Murphy, all of whom he inherited wouldn't be my idea of threadbare.
He had the best two strikers in the whole division. They were scoring goals for fun. But he couldn't sort the defence out. Look what happened when he lost the strikers.
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