Considering the team we had that is embarrassing
Not really. 10 of those games were in this season with the team that relegated us and we picked up 6 points. So it was actually 34 points in 28 games last season. which actually despite what people would have you believe about our form in the second half of 2015/16 season isn't relegation form.
seems tm gets flack for summer recruitment making us shit
but recruitment that made us great season before doesnt matter lol. just cos we didnt finish 2 places higher.
They were bad, but at the time I was quite happy with Henderson AND Hunt.Summer recruitment in 2016 was the anomaly though. All other transfer windows were shocking.
January 2016. We were top of the league at the start of the month.
To add to Cole and Bigi who were already here, Mowbray brought in the additional non-loans :-
Darius Henderson
Stephen Hunt
Peter Ramage
Martin Lorentzon
To go from 35 in 18 to 34 in 28 is shocking.
No it isn't.The notion that SP did almost as well in the Sixfields season as TM in the 2015/16 season is nonsense.
No it isn't.
Frankly, what is ludicrous is having this comparing between the two, given that what they both show is that a competent manager can manage our club well if they have drive and energy, but to keep that up for a sustained period given the background carnage, is well-nigh impossible.
However, it's farcical to demean Pressley's Sixfields effort, too. Have we forgotten what it was like then, the carnage, the disruption, the abomination of ripping apart the fabric of the club... and that the manager had to pick that up? And that's even ignoring the fact we were starting from a position of negative points.
Notwithstanding that, even a comparison of player per player is disingenuous. Wilson was on the edge of being released, but Pressley saw enought to keep him and, moreover, adapt his preferred one striker formation to find him a place. Moussa has been a disaster since leaving CCFC, but Pressley got the best out of him. Ditto, Clarke was in and out of a promotion winning side, so not considered worthy of a place in such a team. Pressley, again, got the best out of him. Then we have the likes of Aaron Martin, who wasn't even with us in the Sixfields season. Pressley moved heaven and earth to try and sign him however, and eventually did the following season. Why? Because he was better, in Pressley's mind, then the centre backs he had available. Mowbray, meanwhile, released him... considering the centre backs at the club of a higher standard than Martin. Just how bad, then, would Mowbray have considered a defence of Webster and Jordan Clarke?
Then we have Billy Daniels, Danny Seaborne, Connor Thomas (released by Mowbray as worse than Gadzhev) and the like.
To run down Pressley is as much, if not more, of a disgrace than running down Mowbray. Both had their faults, both tried their best for the club, both had periods of success, and both can have criticisms fairly levelled at them.
But don't, just don't, diminish the job Pressley did while we were at Sixfields. We might be at a low ebb now, but without the manager being able to bond the players together, and get them playing some sensational stuff, things could be even worse than they are now.
So I list a bunch of players released by Mowbray, or released in favour of players released by Mowbray... and this is all you say.he had a better squad
So I list a bunch of players released by Mowbray, or released in favour of players released by Mowbray... and this is all you say.
If Pressley had a better squad, why wasn't Webster kept on by Mowbray? Why not Aaron Phillips? Or how about Jim O'Brien? What about Aaron Martin?
On the comparible players, brought into the squad and team by Pressley... Mowbray thought he could find better!
It's almost like you refuse to engage with anything I say, and just choose to repeat parrot fashion. At least I know why threads descend into a you v Grendel borathon now.What's the released list got to do with having Wilson, Clarke, Mousa, Baker on the books contributing 60 goals between them on the books (almost as many as the whole 15/16 squad) and having Murphy in goal who despite shipping 74 goals IIRC in that season I think you'd struggle to find anyone who would claim Burge or RCC are superior keepers. Fact is we got lucky with a lot of players 15/16 because we didn't have the budget to recruit players in the mould or calibre of what Wilson, Clarke, Mousa and Baker were in at Sixfields. That's a very big advantage that TM never had. Again, yet he achieved more.
It's almost like you refuse to engage with anything I say, and just choose to repeat parrot fashion. At least I know why threads descend into a you v Grendel borathon now.
Is this Tony - I ignore him - the world is such a much clearer place.
It's almost like you refuse to engage with anything I say, and just choose to repeat parrot fashion. At least I know why threads descend into a you v Grendel borathon now.
Ohhh there you are Grenduffy!... Suddenly went quiet on the thread after me proving you wrong once again regarding ownership and majority shareholding in the BPA. Was wondering where you'd got to! Hahaha.
Is this Tony - I ignore him - the world is such a much clearer place.
Pressley would have got more time from the fans if he didn't treat us like idiots tbhWhat do you think of Pressley? He got an even more threadbare squad playing great football
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Summer recruitment in 2016 was the anomaly though. All other transfer windows were shocking.
January 2016. We were top of the league at the start of the month.
To add to Cole and Bigi who were already here, Mowbray brought in the additional non-loans :-
Darius Henderson
Stephen Hunt
Peter Ramage
Martin Lorentzon
Excellent post. To be fair to Pressley he didn't meekly throw the towel in like certain others.No it isn't.
Frankly, what is ludicrous is having this comparing between the two, given that what they both show is that a competent manager can manage our club well if they have drive and energy, but to keep that up for a sustained period given the background carnage, is well-nigh impossible.
However, it's farcical to demean Pressley's Sixfields effort, too. Have we forgotten what it was like then, the carnage, the disruption, the abomination of ripping apart the fabric of the club... and that the manager had to pick that up? And that's even ignoring the fact we were starting from a position of negative points.
Notwithstanding that, even a comparison of player per player is disingenuous. Wilson was on the edge of being released, but Pressley saw enought to keep him and, moreover, adapt his preferred one striker formation to find him a place. Moussa has been a disaster since leaving CCFC, but Pressley got the best out of him. Ditto, Clarke was in and out of a promotion winning side, so not considered worthy of a place in such a team. Pressley, again, got the best out of him. Then we have the likes of Aaron Martin, who wasn't even with us in the Sixfields season. Pressley moved heaven and earth to try and sign him however, and eventually did. Why? Because he was better, in Pressley's mind, then the centre backs he had available. Mowbray, meanwhile, released him... considering the centre backs at the club of a higher standard than Martin. Just how bad, then, would Mowbray have considered a defence of Webster and Jordan Clarke?
Then we have Billy Daniels, Danny Seaborne, Connor Thomas (released by Mowbray as worse than Gadzhev) and the like.
To run down Pressley is as much, if not more, of a disgrace than running down Mowbray. Both had their faults, both tried their best for the club, both had periods of success, and both can have criticisms fairly levelled at them.
But don't, just don't, diminish the job Pressley did while we were at Sixfields. We might be at a low ebb now, but without the manager being able to bond the players together, and get them playing some sensational stuff, things could be even worse than they are now.
I have no great problem with either tbh. Only thing I would say, is Pressley seemed keener to blood youngsters, and not be over-reliant on loans, so in terms of the infrastructure of the club,that would be better.One more on Pressley, signings were hit and miss (particularly loans) but he had to cut the wage bill massively in 2013 and again in 2014. He did sign Stokes, Martin and JOB permanently who were all reasonably good. Have far more respect for him than Mowbray.
Since being here can you tell us times when Sisu have had negotiations even when there was talk of a proposed deal at the butts they were putting conditions in instead of going in and doing a bit of listening they don't do negotiations they try to dictate and mutual has no WE in it and joint partners means you have to invest apart from that the rest of your post is fair.Ive been posting on the thread. Your cut and paste job proved nothing. After negotiations and mutual benefit discussions CCFC would be at least joint partners in any arrangement.
One more on Pressley, signings were hit and miss (particularly loans) but he had to cut the wage bill massively in 2013 and again in 2014. He did sign Stokes, Martin and JOB permanently who were all reasonably good. Have far more respect for him than Mowbray.
Ive been posting on the thread. Your cut and paste job proved nothing. After negotiations and mutual benefit discussions CCFC would be at least joint partners in any arrangement.
Do you mean the "Cut and Paste" of a QUOTE???....From non other than John Sharpe himself??? I think you need to come into the real world mate!
That's interesting.
Shall I cut and paste a few quotes - how about the one from Nick Eastwood about remaining in the west of London or from Tim Fisher about building a new stadium?
That's interesting.
Shall I cut and paste a few quotes - how about the one from Nick Eastwood about remaining in the west of London or from Tim Fisher about building a new stadium?
So.. You're gullible enough to let a "Tenant" dictate terms of a "Rental/share" which, from what I gather from your previous post, CCFC will have, and I QUOTE!.. "At least half shares"... Dream on Nut job!
That's interesting.
Shall I cut and paste a few quotes - how about the one from Nick Eastwood about remaining in the west of London or from Tim Fisher about building a new stadium?
Most of us being shocked that SISU finally negotiate something?No one knows do they what the outcome of a negotiation would be?
i am glad you said this as i remember the whole forum being so happy we had bought in someone like hendersonThey were bad, but at the time I was quite happy with Henderson AND Hunt.
Hopefully Henderson has now hung up his boots because his legs have gone!
I wish he had, instead he waited till he got a pay off to leave.Excellent post. To be fair to Pressley he didn't meekly throw the towel in like certain others.
I wish he had, instead he waited till he got a pay off to leave.
No one knows do they what the outcome of a negotiation would be?
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