Captain Dart
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Look at some of the teams in the league above ours we used to regard as minnows.
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Otis
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There has to be a sensible balance between loving the City and hating Sisu.
If we keep staying away, by the time Sisu leave there might be no club left worth supporting.
Think you have to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, 'Do I want City to get promoted here or not?'
EVERYTHING else is secondary.
stupot07
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Tbh, with us looking good for the first top play off/top 6 finish in 46 years (the thing every gives the excuse for poorish attendance's), those that are not coming because of NOPM/SISU are the ones choosing to miss out on it, and cutting their nose of to spite their face. I'm sure many of them were happy to give their money to the club at the Wembley game, at last weeks fa cup game, and I'm sure many of them will be the ones moaning on missing out on Brighton Tickets.
Is them staying away helping get rid of SISU? No, not really. They should put that to one side and just get up to the Ricoh and get behind the lads and push us through to promotion.
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Otis
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You and I both know that loads won't come back, but if we do get to a playoff final in spite of them, I dare say most of them will be there at Wembley.
I find that disingenuous.
pusbccfc
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Up until 5 years ago I would laugh at Leicester fans saying they were a bigger club. They haven't won an FA Cup of course.
The size of a club is based on a lot of things; primarily time in the top flight, trophies and fan base. However, even that is controversial as a fan base can be based on current attendances, previous attendances, the catchment area etc. We get small home crowds, but have a huge catchment area of people who would certainly associate themselves with the club. Our attendances historically are reasonable as well.
There are a lot of clubs in the Premier League that I would consider 'smaller' or at least on par with us. If the Premier League was recreated based on the club sizes, we would squeeze in.
The size of a club is based on a lot of things; primarily time in the top flight, trophies and fan base. However, even that is controversial as a fan base can be based on current attendances, previous attendances, the catchment area etc. We get small home crowds, but have a huge catchment area of people who would certainly associate themselves with the club. Our attendances historically are reasonable as well.
There are a lot of clubs in the Premier League that I would consider 'smaller' or at least on par with us. If the Premier League was recreated based on the club sizes, we would squeeze in.
Nick
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Leicester have however had much better attendances when they were in the lower leagues.
Historical attendances from the 60's and 70's and "potential" is pointless.
Londonccfcfan
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The loads that wont come back. Id argue we never had them in the first place.
ceetee
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As I read it, the ambition of the owners is
1 Don't lose any more money
2 Get as much back as they can eventually.
They have no footballing ambitions other than any events which happen to contribute to the above.
They are not going to spend / gamble any money on improving the team other than allowing the club to spend what it earns or wins.
I'm sorry but that's what we have to get used to and there's no point thinking any different
ceetee
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That depends on how previously you want to go.
Not being from Coventry, we would occasionally go to Leicester to see First Division football when CCFC were in lower leagues
skylark37
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As soon as I saw this my first thought was Derby.
Southampton always used to feel like they were paired with us in some way. Both premier league strugglers, then moved ground in the naughties.
Academy wise both clubs have a good reputation. Obviously James Maddisson hasn't spanked one in the top corner to win El Classico yet but give the lad time.
Bradford isn't a bad comparison in terms of potential size of fan base yet playing in a lower league. Also a one club city as with all above.
Southampton always used to feel like they were paired with us in some way. Both premier league strugglers, then moved ground in the naughties.
Academy wise both clubs have a good reputation. Obviously James Maddisson hasn't spanked one in the top corner to win El Classico yet but give the lad time.
Bradford isn't a bad comparison in terms of potential size of fan base yet playing in a lower league. Also a one club city as with all above.
Londonccfcfan
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Leicester, bournemouth, Swansea, Southampton were all at some point in League 1, 5 to 10 years ago. Just gos to show whats possible in a short space of time.
Southampton and Leicester were still averaging 20 to 25 k in league 1. Puts our atendances to shame
Liquid Gold
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Slightly smaller than: Forest (European cups), Leicester (PL), Leeds, Villa, Wednesday
Similar to: Southampton, Derby, Sunderland, Norwich, Wolves, Baggies
Bigger than: Reading, Cardiff, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Fulham, QPR, Bolton, Burnley, Watford, Palace, Stoke, Swansea
Similar to: Southampton, Derby, Sunderland, Norwich, Wolves, Baggies
Bigger than: Reading, Cardiff, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Fulham, QPR, Bolton, Burnley, Watford, Palace, Stoke, Swansea
Liquid Gold
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Bournemouth went down to the last game of the season trying to stay in league 2 not that long ago. Show's there is hope still. There is always hope for a club with our potential.
One of the reasons I can't give up is because I know that's when things will turn around and I'd come crawling back ashamed of myself for leaving when times were tough.
Nick
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Thing is it just needs a Billionaire who will happily wipe off millions they chuck in if it goes wrong
NortonSkyBlue
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What do you base your opinion "we are bigger" than the teams mentioned?
Liquid Gold
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A combination of stadium size, catchment area, historical league positions and major honours in the last 50 years and, most importantly, because I feel like it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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CCFC is uniquely fucked in having deeply unpopular owners who don't want to go and no prospect of ground ownership. Nearly every other league club has some reason for long term optimism, I don't see where that comes from for us.
Grendel
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Bigger than a team that won 3 top flight titles - ok
Skyblueweeman
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Not all of us.... :-(
Liquid Gold
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I agree but sisu won't be here forever and I do believe the London Wasps experiment will fail eventually. With new owners in place and, hopefully, renewed interest in the club the council will be forced into being as helpful as possible to the club.
Imagine a new owner got us up to the Championship, crowds back to the mid 20 thousands and they said "we can't progress further without stadium ownership". Under those circumstances public opinion would massively turn against wasps and the council would be under huge pressure to grant planning permission.
Brighton Sky Blue
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They have been here 11 years now and show zero interest in going. I don't see how it's going to happen beyond wishful thinking.
italiahorse
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Our attendances are strange in that respect.
Same with Norwich who sold all their season tickets before the end of the season they got relegated to L1.
Why are we so different to similar teams?
pusbccfc
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Bradford have good crowds because of the ticket prices etc.
They were averaging 2/3000 in the 80s. Even late 90s they were averaging 5000 odd.
Liquid Gold
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So you think they're just going to stick around forever?
Otis
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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
In the land of the tiny the largest dwarf is king.
You just need to move to a town with smaller people so everyone will look up to you.
NortonSkyBlue
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You cant argue with that!
I do know for a week in 1998 we were the best team in Europe.
First day of season beat Chelsea, next week Chelsea (cup winners cup winners) beat Real Madrid( champions league winners) in the European Super Cup.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I’d say we’re equal in size to Sheffield United. Mind, I only knew what was going on with the club (loosely) in our first season in Division 1.
Our 7th place finish under Micky Adams’ is my most memorable season to date. Let that sink in for some you older folk haha.
Our 7th place finish under Micky Adams’ is my most memorable season to date. Let that sink in for some you older folk haha.
pusbccfc
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In 1924...
Skyblueweeman
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That's what I believe the nirvana is. I often wonder what it will be like in 10 years time when we're hosting Real Madrid at the Ricoh in a Champions League SF match thinking 'remember that time when things were awful and this place was owned by a rugby club?'.
Skyblueweeman
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Where did that Frodo fella live?
ricohroar
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To be honest the attendance thing is never a good comparison. For most of our time in the the top flight our aim was to finish 4th from bottom. Teams like Leicester etc that bounced up and down a bit at least had a few seasons of watching winning football and attracting fans.
We have as many if not more people prepared to come and watch the City week in week out however too many false dawns wear on people. If this club has a sniff of a top 3 finish with 5-6 games to go the ricoh will be a busy place, these are not glory supporters turning up. these are fans who have had 40 years plus of nothing in terms of league football, and every time we look like going somewhere the wheels fall off.
Everyone still supports the team and will turn out when they see fit, but like myself fed up of cold nights watching dross football, paying over the odds when I could be with my family, nothing to cheer for so long.
Put the product on the pitch and people will come. I know one sort of leads to the other, more fans, more money better team, but many are not convinced more money would mean better players, and we all know they will be sold if they produce anyway.
On a comparison level I always thought Southampton or Norwich.
We have as many if not more people prepared to come and watch the City week in week out however too many false dawns wear on people. If this club has a sniff of a top 3 finish with 5-6 games to go the ricoh will be a busy place, these are not glory supporters turning up. these are fans who have had 40 years plus of nothing in terms of league football, and every time we look like going somewhere the wheels fall off.
Everyone still supports the team and will turn out when they see fit, but like myself fed up of cold nights watching dross football, paying over the odds when I could be with my family, nothing to cheer for so long.
Put the product on the pitch and people will come. I know one sort of leads to the other, more fans, more money better team, but many are not convinced more money would mean better players, and we all know they will be sold if they produce anyway.
On a comparison level I always thought Southampton or Norwich.
Otis
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Inside a Cadbury wrapper wasn't it?
Or am I thinking of a Freddo?
italiahorse
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Would need to put up a good argument against staying at the Ricoh with a good deal.
Seems to work for others.
I think it's a big assumption that public opinion will turn against Wasps and that the council would be under pressure.
The council can't however object to any new stadium other than on normal planning rules.