New Assistant Manager (6 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

In charge of what though? If the team fail on the pitch do you want her to be fired?

If she’s the one appointing staff over Robins: yes.

 

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[SeaSeeEffCee]

I think you’re confusing responsibility and actually doing the work. Robins doesn’t wash the kit. That’s the kit man. But if the kit washing keeps getting fucked up and Robins doesn’t do anything about it that’ on Robins as manager.

Have any of you been in a management position before? Can’t believe this is even controversial.

You’re confusing being a football manager with being a manager in a civil service job.

 

[shmmeee]

You’re confusing being a football manager with being a manager in a civil service job.

Hes the figurehead for the club. By your logic we shouldn’t have complained why Orange Ken was on the bench because technically he was in charge and not Slade or whoever it was.

 

[JSL]

Nothing has been announced yet unless I missed it??

 

[The watchmaker]

I think you’re confusing responsibility and actually doing the work. Robins doesn’t wash the kit. That’s the kit man. But if the kit washing keeps getting fucked up and Robins doesn’t do anything about it that’ on Robins as manager.

Have any of you been in a management position before? Can’t believe this is even controversial.

This might be controversial but I don't want Robins to waste his time sorting the kit out. And I think that is where we are trying to move to. Other people take responsibility for jobs so that Robins can concentrate on what he is good at.

Robins has also (largely) been sidelined in transfers. That makes me more nervous tbh but no one seems to talk about that. What is the difference?

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

“a say”

Kids in a school have a say in which teachers are hired, but they don’t make any decisions. That’s on the head.

This isn’t some crazy idea that management requires a manager to have responsibility. Someone has to be in charge. If it’s her then fair enough but she should be doing the press interviews and it should be her head on the block if we don’t perform on the pitch.

Equally going along the school analogy if a school is a appointing a new Deputy Headteacher the Headteacher is right there alongside the Trust CEO appointing the person who will stand in for them.

So when I mean ‘say’ I mean he definitely was ‘there’ or ‘present’ or ‘consulted’ about this appointment.

No idea why you chose semantics to hit back at my point but you’re deluded if you think Robins wasn’t involved in this.

It’s not a dictatorship and if it was Robins would have walked at the same time as Adi.


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[shmmeee]

Equally going along the school analogy if a school is an appointing a new Deputy Headteacher the Headteacher is right there alongside the Trust CEO appointing the person who will stand in for them.

So when I mean ‘say’ I mean he definitely was ‘there’ or ‘present’ or ‘consulted’ about this appointment.

No idea why you chose semantics to hit back at my point but you’re deluded if you think Robins wasn’t involved in this.

It’s not a dictatorship and if it was Robins would have walked at the same time as Adi.


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Just a comment that we hired someone because of her opinion not Robins. Ive seen this sort of thing play out in organisations with new brooms and it never ends well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this be Robins last season and personally I trust Robins who has actually achieved things in the game more than Doug or any other executive on football matters.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

Just a comment that we hired someone because of her opinion not Robins. Ive seen this sort of thing play out in organisations with new brooms and it never ends well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this be Robins last season and personally I trust Robins who has actually achieved things in the game more than Doug or any other executive on football matters.

Exactly.

Hence why I feel certain that Robins was involved be absolute madness otherwise.


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[Balli001]

Just a comment that we hired someone because of her opinion not Robins. Ive seen this sort of thing play out in organisations with new brooms and it never ends well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this be Robins last season and personally I trust Robins who has actually achieved things in the game more than Doug or any other executive on football matters.

But you dont know for certain that any of the coaching appointments havent involved Robins do you?

 

[shmmeee]

But you dont know for certain that any of the coaching appointments havent involved Robins do you?

And you don’t know they haven’t. All we have to go on is stuff posted on here so that’s what we go on. But she’s been very high profile for someone with no responsibility and a limited track record in the game. Performance Director should be worried about performance, not hiring coaching staff. Unless she’s been out in with a remit to run the club for Doug. In which case she deserves more scrutiny than Robins.

 

[Hobo]

Ultimately there’s one person in charge. If she says yes and Robins says no, who wins out? Whoever that is is in charge and should shoulder the responsibility.

Who wins? Probably King if you are talking ultimately in charge.

Roberts oversees the performance side in a very broad sense. From support staff to equipment. To assist every player, every coach, every physio etc.,and Mark Robins have a chance to perform to their best.

Robins will be responsible for the team and tactics and results on the pitch.

 

[Hobo]

If she’s the one appointing staff over Robins: yes.

What staff are you talking about? I would imagine on the performance side it will be King, Roberts and Robins. Each will have their own experience and expertise to bring to the table.

You seem determined to invent issues that probably aren't even there?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I think you’re confusing responsibility and actually doing the work. Robins doesn’t wash the kit. That’s the kit man. But if the kit washing keeps getting fucked up and Robins doesn’t do anything about it that’ on Robins as manager.

Have any of you been in a management position before? Can’t believe this is even controversial.

Should the kit man be sacked or Robins for appointing the kit man in the first place?

 

[The watchmaker]

And you don’t know they haven’t. All we have to go on is stuff posted on here so that’s what we go on. But she’s been very high profile for someone with no responsibility and a limited track record in the game. Performance Director should be worried about performance, not hiring coaching staff. Unless she’s been out in with a remit to run the club for Doug. In which case she deserves more scrutiny than Robins.

I mean... who do you think is responsible for getting the players fit and match ready if not the coaches.

It sounds as though she was on the panel with Robins. Somebody's got to be and to me it makes sense for it to be her?

 

[The watchmaker]

Should the kit man be sacked or Robins for appointing the kit man in the first place?

Both!!!

 

[Balli001]

And you don’t know they haven’t. All we have to go on is stuff posted on here so that’s what we go on. But she’s been very high profile for someone with no responsibility and a limited track record in the game. Performance Director should be worried about performance, not hiring coaching staff. Unless she’s been out in with a remit to run the club for Doug. In which case she deserves more scrutiny than Robins.

Ok to use your own words. Using things posted online, Robins was quoted in an interview saying the new coaches impressed them during the recruitment process. This suggests to me he was involved in the decision making. The performance director should 100% be involved in the hiring process. Their remit is to ensure all aspects of the playing and coaching staff perform to maximum possible levels. As i, and others, keep trying to point out if Robins didnt agree with this process or have any involvement he would have gone.

 

[djr8369]

There seems stereotypical resistance to her appointment along the lines of she's a woman what does she know? But she has arrived with a wealth of experience, as an athlete herself and then an academic background as well.

Some will probably pooh pooh the academic side also? But that is the way all the top clubs have already gone in football, rugby and athletics. Strength and conditioning, nutritionists, psychology, physiotherapy and coaching. Everything is more scientific. Look at the British Olympic teams, gone from very few medals to winning a hat full.

This is about her appointment and hints at her CV as reported in The Coventry Observer,

"Dr Roberts arrives from nearly a decade at the Premier League where she led strategic change in football development.
She is a former international swimmer who played women’s football for Swindon Town Ladies and latterly Aston Villa Ladies FC.

Dr Roberts is a Chartered Psychologist, Chartered Scientist, BASES Accredited Sport and Exercise Scientist, author, non-executive board director and trustee.

Prior to her role at the Premier League, she worked for the British Olympic Association across three Olympic and Paralympic cycles and held roles in a number of men’s and women’s football clubs and academic positions at UK Universities.

She brings a wealth of experience in high-performance sport to Coventry and will ensure the highest standards in all aspects of performance and preparation for elite football are delivered sustainably across the whole club."

She does indeed bring a wealth of experience to the club and is well qualified for her role.

“People have had enough of experts”

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

I agree with @shmmeee in a lot of what he's said. Being in management is about being responsible for the decisions you make, thats why you have the title and trust. You are paid on your ability to lead and think outside the box. If you fail for not making the correct decisions to move a business forward you take the heat. I just hope Robins is involved in decisions in both recruitment and performance in conjunction with Dr Roberts as you need to be in control of the assets that come under your remit with you having the ultimate input in them.

 

[biggymania]

In this context, Doug is the manager. He owns ultimate responsibility because he owns the club.

Modern football clubs do not have the first team manager responsible for all strategy and hiring.

Look at it this way - when Robins leaves, there should be a much smarter structure in & around the club than we had before he joined. This is huge progress.

 

[long way home]

Clubs are definitely changing and going towards deeper departments, we are no different. And in my opinion this way has a place in the game, but it has to be balanced. This could easily get to being over complicated and counterproductive, just like some coaches do with the game.

You need everyone in this group to understand the roles given and to stay in lanes. If all understand what's being asked and the structure is set, working together can be easier. As for recruiting for these positions, you need the best people for the job assigned. If Delaney is the 1st team coach im sure he has proved he is capable to Robins, Doug and the DR and needs time to do his job.

The most important thing is the culture and expectations are kept. Changing of any of the staff or players should have no impact if is all running correctly. The foundation its built on and philosophy you introduce should frame how it carries on, with always one eye on how to constantly improve.

 

[blunted]

Delaney playing an active role on the touchline. Noticed him shouting instructions more than Carr or Boateng.

Unfortunately, can't do that in the Championship.

 

[Sbarcher]

There seems stereotypical resistance to her appointment along the lines of she's a woman what does she know? But she has arrived with a wealth of experience, as an athlete herself and then an academic background as well.

Some will probably pooh pooh the academic side also? But that is the way all the top clubs have already gone in football, rugby and athletics. Strength and conditioning, nutritionists, psychology, physiotherapy and coaching. Everything is more scientific. Look at the British Olympic teams, gone from very few medals to winning a hat full.

This is about her appointment and hints at her CV as reported in The Coventry Observer,

"Dr Roberts arrives from nearly a decade at the Premier League where she led strategic change in football development.
She is a former international swimmer who played women’s football for Swindon Town Ladies and latterly Aston Villa Ladies FC.

Dr Roberts is a Chartered Psychologist, Chartered Scientist, BASES Accredited Sport and Exercise Scientist, author, non-executive board director and trustee.

Prior to her role at the Premier League, she worked for the British Olympic Association across three Olympic and Paralympic cycles and held roles in a number of men’s and women’s football clubs and academic positions at UK Universities.

She brings a wealth of experience in high-performance sport to Coventry and will ensure the highest standards in all aspects of performance and preparation for elite football are delivered sustainably across the whole club."

She does indeed bring a wealth of experience to the club and is well qualified for her role.

Seems like she can't settle in one job for long!

 

[blunted]

Ultimately, the new system works if the right people are in the right jobs, with clearly defined responsibilities who do a good job and improve themselves and the overall results for the club.
The bottom line is, it is the results on the pitch that matters.

 

[Hobo]

Seems like she can't settle in one job for long!

Yawn. 3 Olympic and Para Olympic cycles how many years is that?

Lots of very successful people specialize in short contracts and live off the results and broaden their experience.

People mocked the appointment of Karen Brady l but she did a good job at Birmingham and West Ham..Also outside football. Successful people can spin more than one plate.

 

[Deity]

Seems like she can't settle in one job for long!

Dinosaur alert …

 

[hamil99]

Alex Ferguson was known to be in full control at Man Utd, and when he left look at what happened to the club. It took a nose dive from where they were. Imagine a club without the financial clout and size of Utd trying to move forward if the all controlling manager left, it could quite easily fall down a league or two. I think trying to mitigate that from happening is a smart move.

 

[Hobo]

Alex Ferguson was known to be in full control at Man Utd, and when he left look at what happened to the club. It took a nose dive from where they were. Imagine a club without the financial clout and size of Utd trying to move forward if the all controlling manager left, it could quite easily fall down a league or two. I think trying to mitigate that from happening is a smart move.

Fans impatience played a part. He left them with a squad that needed a total rebuild.

 

[hamil99]

Fans impatience played a part. He left them with a squad that needed a total rebuild.

Agreed, but they also couldn't find a manager to take "full control", so have been trying to build a proper backroom staff since he left. They are constantly chasing staff from other clubs to fill the void. That chap from Newcastle springs to mind.

 

[shmmeee]

I mean... who do you think is responsible for getting the players fit and match ready if not the coaches.

It sounds as though she was on the panel with Robins. Somebody's got to be and to me it makes sense for it to be her?

If she’s making football decisions then yeah I want her giving interviews post match and responsible for what happens on the pitch.

She was presented as basically a fitness coach and now is on par with Robins or ahead of him? Not for me thanks. Players and fans need to know who the boss is. I can’t think of when the chairman bringing in “help” for a manager or generally involving themselves this much in the organisation of the coaching staff has worked out well.

 

[Sick Boy]

If she’s making football decisions then yeah I want her giving interviews post match and responsible for what happens on the pitch.

She was presented as basically a fitness coach and now is on par with Robins or ahead of him? Not for me thanks. Players and fans need to know who the boss is. I can’t think of when the chairman bringing in “help” for a manager or generally involving themselves this much in the organisation of the coaching staff has worked out well.

The only suggestion of that has been on here, so it’s probably bollocks.

 

[shmmeee]

The only suggestion of that has been on here, so it’s probably bollocks.

Very high profile for a bit part player is all I’d say. We’ve had no fluffy interviews with Boateng. I hope she’s just there to make sure the player diet is right or whatever. Otherwise big management consultant vibes.

 

[StrettoBoy]

Seems like she can't settle in one job for long!

That’s often the case with talented and ambitious people.

 

[JSL]

Probably fed up when negativity towards her appointment becomes evident

 

[Bugsy]

Is Claire gonna be the new assistant manager then we reckon

....PUSB

 

[shmmeee]

In this context, Doug is the manager. He owns ultimate responsibility because he owns the club.

Modern football clubs do not have the first team manager responsible for all strategy and hiring.

Look at it this way - when Robins leaves, there should be a much smarter structure in & around the club than we had before he joined. This is huge progress.

LOL yeah cos Doug will walk if we’re in the relegation places.