New Highway Code rules coming in (1 Viewer)

[Liquid Gold]

That's where the insurance part comes into it then.

Insurance comes in and people don't cycle they get in their car, traffic is worse, pollution is worse, there are more bad accidents and people get fat.

There is an answer somewhere but it isn't insurance.

 

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[Nick]

Insurance comes in and people don't cycle they get in their car, traffic is worse, pollution is worse, there are more bad accidents and people get fat.

There is an answer somewhere but it isn't insurance.

It doesn't have to be an expensive policy, just some sort of liability insurance.

 

[Houchens Head]

 

[stupot07]

Perhaps pedestrians should also have insurance incase they accidently walk in front of a car and its a no fault accident by the driver...

 

[ajsccfc]

I remember buying a bike with the intention of cycling to work on a regular basis, managed one day before I thought fuck that. I'm in enough fear of ignorant morons at roundabouts when driving, can't imagine the prospect of being so exposed to idiocy on a bike.

 

[Tommo1993]

Everyone should have to do a year on a motorbike before being able to drive a car.
The constant threat of death translates very well into being aware of your surroundings whilst driving.

A lot of jobs now for driving HGV’s & PCV’s before starting or at some point have a training day that involves cycling for a few hours with a “professional” cyclist, for awareness. I do however believe all drivers should get behind the wheel of a lorry or bus for some perspective too. There’s a reason we take more room than you think we might need.

 

[Grendel]

Nah I’m with LG and JHFC here. We should be moving to a cyclist/pedestrian/hoverboard first system. The idea that roads are for big hunks of meta going 40mph and everyone else needs to GTFO is wrong. Sure if we can segment off some space for a cycle lane then great, but in a country as cramped and mature as ours it’s simply not possible.

You want cyclists on the road rather than the pavement? This is how you do it. And you don’t put ludicrous ideas like insurance and driving tests in their way TBH.

You are going to be disappointed. The amount of money being invested in vehicle technology is huge with Cycle Plans developed for the next two decades and beyond

 

[fernandopartridge]

THIS in a nutshell. I'm a cyclist, van driver, pedestrian & scooterist......in that order.

I know I know....there are dickhead cyclists too, but a lot of their behavior stems from the primary problem which is that, since the 1970s, we have designed the whole of modern life around the premise that car is king, to the point whereby cunts people think nothing of buying renting a massive SUV in order to drive less than 1/2 a mile to the shops or to drop their kids off at school......

....if I had my way, I'd force change upon everybody overnight by coning off a 3m wide section of every A & B road in the country & allocate it to bikes, scooters, skateboards, hoverboards, rollerskates, segways, etc.
Pedestrians get their pavcement back, all of a sudden there is a free, healthy quicker fun transport alternative & motorists can sit in the traffice queue & moan about traffice queues just like they do already......

I agree with you, I'm only an occasional cyclist too. The change necessary needs really radical ideas, not pissy 5 yard wide non-continuous cycle lanes. Do what the dutch did.

 

[shmmeee]

Perhaps pedestrians should also have insurance incase they accidently walk in front of a car and its a no fault accident by the driver...

Insure kids in case they throw rocks at cars.

 

[shmmeee]

You are going to be disappointed. The amount of money being invested in vehicle technology is huge with Cycle Plans developed for the next two decades and beyond

I’m not sure how investment amounts change the fact that the U.K. has an existing transport network that can’t be easily changed to allow cyclists pedestrians and cars their own segregated space. The only way to do it is to make cars work alongside cycles/other low speed vehicles.

 

[Nick]

I’m not sure how investment amounts change the fact that the U.K. has an existing transport network that can’t be easily changed to allow cyclists pedestrians and cars their own segregated space. The only way to do it is to make cars work alongside cycles/other low speed vehicles.

The example of the cycle lanes in Coundon show how NOT to do it.

 

[ajsccfc]

The cycle lane between Millison's Wood and Meriden is a worry, it's bordered by cats eyes on raised blocks which means if it snows for example a driver's ruining their suspension on them and cyclists are going arse over tit on them.

 

[Grendel]

I’m not sure how investment amounts change the fact that the U.K. has an existing transport network that can’t be easily changed to allow cyclists pedestrians and cars their own segregated space. The only way to do it is to make cars work alongside cycles/other low speed vehicles.

Frankly its too much hassle and I can't see it being a vote winner. Most people have little interest in it and the electrification will in the end make it a nightmare as roads will be silent and cars much much quicker from a standing start - the network can't be easily changed and cars and HGV are and must remain the priority

 

[Nick]

Frankly its too much hassle and I can't see it being a vote winner. Most people have little interest in it and the electrification will in the end make it a nightmare as roads will be silent and cars much much quicker from a standing start - the network can't be easily changed and cars and HGV are and must remain the priority

That's the thing, driving past one every day and there's nobody using the cycle lane that has been put in place.

On the other hand, the road is a lot narrower so it means if a bus stops at the bus stop you can't go round, there's much more traffic because of it too.

Obviously this is just one instance, in other places there will be much more demand for them.

 

[shmmeee]

Frankly its too much hassle and I can't see it being a vote winner. Most people have little interest in it and the electrification will in the end make it a nightmare as roads will be silent and cars much much quicker from a standing start - the network can't be easily changed and cars and HGV are and must remain the priority

I mean we’re in a thread about the changes that are happening.

And electric cars have artificial noise at low speeds by law just FYI. My dads car sounds like a fricken spaceship.

 

[Grendel]

That's the thing, driving past one every day and there's nobody using the cycle lane that has been put in place.

On the other hand, the road is a lot narrower so it means if a bus stops at the bus stop you can't go round, there's much more traffic because of it too.

Obviously this is just one instance, in other places there will be much more demand for them.

The thing is cars will be lighter, faster and silent. I think Cyclists are mental - I knew a surgeon once and he referred to them as organ donors

That said It can work in City centres especially where the culture is cycling, Cambridge is a good example of that

 

[Grendel]

I mean we’re in a thread about the changes that are happening.

And electric cars have artificial noise at low speeds by law just FYI. My dads car sounds like a fricken spaceship.

Try it in an I Pace at 50 mph

 

[shmmeee]

Try it in an I Pace at 50 mph

Maybe we’re at cross purposes here, I’m talking about city centres where speeds are 30mph or lower. I’m not talking about giving cyclists right of way on the M6!

 

[Grendel]

Maybe we’re at cross purposes here, I’m talking about city centres where speeds are 30mph or lower. I’m not talking about giving cyclists right of way on the M6!

Fair enough - City centres yes it could work - as I have said Cambridge is an example where cyclists are king but it does really mean banning cars from the area in totality

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

Everyone should have to do a year on a motorbike before being able to drive a car.
The constant threat of death translates very well into being aware of your surroundings whilst driving.

% agree with that. My motorbike instructor said to me “ every time you ride your bike assume no one has seen you.”
It certainly focused my mind more when I was out riding.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I’m with LG

Putting this in my wall

 

[Frostie]

Everyone should have to do a year on a motorbike before being able to drive a car.
The constant threat of death translates very well into being aware of your surroundings whilst driving.

Wholeheartedly agree. Used to be really into my scooters & owned a couple of Vespa's until nearly being killed on one by a car driver not paying full attention.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I was going to say I've noticed absolutely nothing has changed in terms of what cyclists, pedestrians and car drivers are doing until this happened yesterday:

I came out from the Showcase cinema near Junction 2. Got to the big roundabout on the main road and signalled right to head up to the M6. Moved onto the roundabout on inside lane, but as I got round the bend a car on my inside, which had come up from Longford, had stopped dead in the road to let a pedestrian cross right at the junction of the roundabout. The pedestrian refused to cross . If they had walked out I'd never have seen them . These new laws need clarification.

 

[Johhny Blue]

England should drive on the right. It could be phased in for example the first couple of weeks just drivers whose surname begins with A to J

 

[Mcbean]

Was out Sunday - cock wombles. Everywhere - approaching a right hand turn 3 wombles coming from that turn never looked right they cycled straight out in front of an oncoming car who couldn’t swerve as I was approaching , was close - dickheads - Darwin awards coming for them I’m afraid

 

[chiefdave]

Every time I see there's a new post in this thread I expect it to be someone either saying they've run someone over or someone who has been runover!

 

[napolimp]

I find this thread bewildering, I drive miles everyday and cannot remember a single time I've had a near collision with a pedestrian or cyclist that required me to brake hard. Just anticipate as far ahead as possible at all times, you'd have to be really unlucky like have someone walk out from behind a parked car or something.

On the other hand I feel like I get into near-collisions with other motorists every day. Twats that don't seem to understand what road marking are for, don't feel like driving in one lane or indicating, constantly break speed limits, and tailgate when you have the audacity to drive 30 in a 30 zone.

 

[Houchens Head]

I find this thread bewildering, I drive miles everyday and cannot remember a single time I've had a near collision with a pedestrian or cyclist that required me to brake hard. Just anticipate as far ahead as possible at all times, you'd have to be really unlucky like have someone walk out from behind a parked car or something.

On the other hand I feel like I get into near-collisions with other motorists every day. Twats that don't seem to understand what road marking are for, don't feel like driving in one lane or indicating, constantly break speed limits, and tailgate when you have the audacity to drive 30 in a 30 zone.

Same here. I've driven buses, coaches, lorries and limos in my 50+ years of driving. I was always taught to "drive at least 50 yards ahead of yourself", which basically means that you look ahead and anticipate what is happening ahead of you as well as what is directly around you. Over the years, I have received 7 'Safe Driving' Awards from the West Midlands Traffic Commission. Never had an accident and probably notched up a million+ miles.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The cycle lane between Millison's Wood and Meriden is a worry, it's bordered by cats eyes on raised blocks which means if it snows for example a driver's ruining their suspension on them and cyclists are going arse over tit on them.

Cycling in the snow!!!!

 

[SBT]

I find this thread bewildering, I drive miles everyday and cannot remember a single time I've had a near collision with a pedestrian or cyclist that required me to brake hard. Just anticipate as far ahead as possible at all times, you'd have to be really unlucky like have someone walk out from behind a parked car or something.

On the other hand I feel like I get into near-collisions with other motorists every day. Twats that don't seem to understand what road marking are for, don't feel like driving in one lane or indicating, constantly break speed limits, and tailgate when you have the audacity to drive 30 in a 30 zone.

This thread and the 'Things that annoy you' thread make me very glad I don't need a car. Just endless grief it seems.

 

[napolimp]

This thread and the 'Things that annoy you' thread make me very glad I don't need a car. Just endless grief it seems.

I envy you.