So basically what we've been doing with the Ricoh for ages? Maybe we could put a Jimmy Hill flag up.
This could technically be down with different tiers and/or shutting off corner sections. Open up as many as needed depending on demand, starting with the lowest.
So with a two tier stadium
PL - whole stadium open
Championship - shut some sections of upper tier
L1 - lower tier open
L2 - lower tier less corners
Could crowd fund one and call for designs...So basically what we've been doing with the Ricoh for ages? Maybe we could put a Jimmy Hill flag up.
In a way, but the tiers would make the difference. With the bowl you have to shut off whole sections front to back and so you end up with bits by the pitch that are uninhabited. With a tier you can bring everyone closer to and surrounding the pitch and the upper section being empty doesn't have as much of an effect.So basically what we've been doing with the Ricoh for ages? Maybe we could put a Jimmy Hill flag up.
In a way, but the tiers would make the difference. With the bowl you have to shut off whole sections front to back and so you end up with bits by the pitch that are uninhabited. With a tier you can bring everyone closer to and surrounding the pitch and the upper section being empty doesn't have as much of an effect.
A lot of sense coming from both sides of the debate on here. The desire to escape the Ricoh is well-intentioned, and the chances of us returning there on favourable terms seems pretty remote atm. With the team doing well, there's more good will for the owners' intentions than there has been in a decade. The case for a fresh start is (temporarily, at least) more compelling than it ever was, including at Highfield Road.
I'm just not convinced that trying another flatpack stadium with a hypothetical rail station, only this time in a different part of the city's outskirts, is going to obviously be better than what we could/should have with the Ricoh. Let alone a good way to spend 30 million quid. Surely as a fanbase we would know better than most that you can't just stadium-build your way into stability? What happens if we move to Warwick Uni only to plummet into L2 again? Build a fourth stadium in Binley?
It would be a bit different from the Ricoh though, wouldn't it? If we go down to League 2 then there's much more control over how to monetize the stadium if the club had full control over it.
Any examples of it being done at our kind of scale? I've seen it done (very impressively!) at big stadiums, 80,000-seater or so. Not sure how it would work at our level, unless you have very very small tiers.
Again, completely different scenario to the Ricoh.Very true. The big question though - is spending £30 million+ on a new stadium the most cost-effective way to get that kind of control over our own ground? It wasn't the first time round!
Is that £106m just for the land and building required for the stadium itself or the entire complex (hotel, arena, shopping centre etc) that was built as part of the project?No they didn't get it for 30m. Accounts filed at co house say cost of land and buildings was 106m - mk stadium property ltd with another couple million in mk stadium Ltd for fixtures etc
Again, completely different scenario to the Ricoh.
Of course, but the parallels are there.
We're struggling with a punitive rent agreement at our current home in Coventry
We're doing well on the pitch and want a stadium that reflects a new, brighter future for the club
We want to control/maximize our stadium revenues both on matchdays and through other events
We can either build a new stadium on the outskirts of town (it will have a railway station!) Or we can try to rework what we already have. I know what Bryan Richardson would choose!
We can't rework what we already have, we have absolutely fuck all.
Personally speaking, I was surprised to see (particularly on Facebook) such a positive reaction to the announcement. We've had this before on at least 2 occasions, that there are plans for a new stadium but they just never get any further than the drawing board. Call me a cynic, but it just ain't gonna happen this time either.
SISU from the start have always wanted the Ricoh, I don't think anything had changed in that respect. We're too long gone with them to come up with any sort of fair deal for both CCFC and Wasps to properly share the stadium unless SISU publicly admit to and renounce all past sins, and then promise a fair way to jointly own and run the stadium for the benefit of both clubs. That would surely be the best way out of this (other than a takeover and for new owners to shake hands with Wasps' owners on a deal).
I'm not a big fan of the Ricoh, but it's there, it's in our city, it's purpose built for our football club, it's still got our name written into the stands, and to ignore it is plain stupid. As a few people have said, get a team playing good football onto the pitch week in week out and the fans will come and make noise, the whole atmosphere argument will quickly go away. Imagine if we'd played there last season, we'd have been getting crowds of 20k+ and I can't imagine we'd have been complaining about the atmosphere then.
I'm not positive or excited about it all. I always throught Highfield road it's latter day capacity was too small. I accept our crowds generally have been disappointing for a long time but its a biggish club and certainly the same size club as Leicester and Southampton and dare I say Sunderland.
So absolutely buzzing when Ricoh opened. One or two mentioned the early game against Reading . It was deafening when we saved a penalty . Someone said it was quiet that day. Its the fans who can make the atmosphere and I think we have let ourselves down there.
I am surprised some people want to be content with being a pretty minor club. Coventry has quite a big population and is planned to grow significantly and it is a special club in many ways.
Quite surprised by some peoples reactions but then again not surprised really as that are a lot on here who seems to have been swayed on many matters on this website.
On a positive note, things generally are looking up on playing side at least, just hope that is not offset by not being back at Ricoh.
Has anyone actually said this? The only comments I've seen around capacity are people agreeing with the club that you don't build a stadium for crowds you don't get. Where is this idea that a stadium that can be up to 35K if required makes us a minor club coming from?I am surprised some people want to be content with being a pretty minor club
Are you Gary Hoffman in disguise?
Will Wasps be admitting to past sins too, or not? How much would Wasps want for half the Ricoh do you think judging by the valuations they are trying to push?
Fair point. I don't really blame Wasps per se, as far as I can tell they saw an opportunity from the council to get the stadium on the cheap, it's really the council who are as much to blame as SISU. Unless I'm missing some obvious dodgy dealings on Wasps side too...?
Ultimately, there must be a deal to be had where both Wasps and CCFC would be happy with a half share. As far as I can tell Wasps can't afford to own and run the Ricoh without CCFC, but for obvious reasons they don't trust SISU because of all the litigation. If a new owner got on board with the slate wiped clean then I'm sure there would be enough trust between both sides to make something work that was to the benefit of both clubs in the long run.
Did you miss Wasps being involved in trying to force a takeover and the indemnity? What about the stuff at the Higgs where they tried to force the club into a Ricoh deal to be able to have the academy there?
OK yup clearly I did, I'd forgotten about the whole Higgs thing, and I'm not sure at all with the takeover/indemnity. It's clearly an even huger sorrier mess than I thought. Perhaps we need an Arab billionaire to just buy CCFC and Wasps and get rid of all the bad eggs in one go!!
OK yup clearly I did, I'd forgotten about the whole Higgs thing, and I'm not sure at all with the takeover/indemnity. It's clearly an even huger sorrier mess than I thought. Perhaps we need an Arab billionaire to just buy CCFC and Wasps and get rid of all the bad eggs in one go!!
SISU are going nowhere so I doubt the Ricoh will ever be shared. The Council would do their utmost to stop it.Fair point. I don't really blame Wasps per se, as far as I can tell they saw an opportunity from the council to get the stadium on the cheap, it's really the council who are as much to blame as SISU. Unless I'm missing some obvious dodgy dealings on Wasps side too...?
Ultimately, there must be a deal to be had where both Wasps and CCFC would be happy with a half share. As far as I can tell Wasps can't afford to own and run the Ricoh without CCFC, but for obvious reasons they don't trust SISU because of all the litigation. If a new owner got on board with the slate wiped clean then I'm sure there would be enough trust between both sides to make something work that was to the benefit of both clubs in the long run.
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