For me, the only viable option is somewhere around Warwick University. Perhaps in partnership with the university itself in some way. The benefits being that it would be just outside the city boundary, and crucially because the Uni and the business parks around it handle thousands of car users every day, you could argue that the road infrastructure might be sufficient with a little tweaking and a decent travel plan. On top of that, the first stage of the proposed VLR scheme (if it happens) is likely to run from Coventry Station to WU. The issue is SISU of course, and whether they have the stomach or funds to deliver it, let alone the goodwill required.
A46 link road scheme – Warwickshire County CouncilWrong. There would be no way a stadium could be accommodated around the University due to the HS2 route and the massive housing estate that is being built near there. Traffic would be an absolute nightmare. It already doesn't possess the infrastructure to deal with the traffic that will accumulate from upcoming plans, let alone accommodate further traffic from X thousand fans coming to the area.
Oh that's going to make my commute so much fun while they build it. Bet they do it the same time they'll do the roundabout by TGI on the A46 too!
If/when they change the Stoneleigh Road A46 entrance to a roundabout my commute will be an absolute dream but while they're building it I expect an absolute nightmare
But any stadium will need transport links resolving - Falmer was fields before, after all!Exactly. With anything that's constructed there's going to be delays but even if there wasn't, in my opinion it won't fully solve the issue straight away once the new system is put in place. Up to 4500 houses being constructed and and HS2 coming directly through that area. People are deluded if they think an X thousand seated stadium could be constructed around the University in the next 3-5 years.
Not living in cov, I seem to remember loads of space around here, assume this wouldn't work ?
Transport links would be minimal here
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But any stadium will need transport links resolving - Falmer was fields before, after all!
The major concern is that SISU seem to want a local council to pay for all those links for the privilege of having a ground in their area. I'm certainly no expert, so do correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that as councils get budgets cut, they actually see traffic improvements as the responsibility of the developers, and an opportunity to relieve the council of a financial burden.
What are you expecting the attendances to be if there was a new stadium at Warwick Uni? The current infrastructure copes with 29,000 staff and students.there is no way a stadium could be constructed around this area as there simply isn't the infrastructure in place to accommodate that many people, not in the short term anyway.
Well, HS2 is currently under review. I'm still not convinced it'll actually happen and, even then, it's a case of and rather than or. Could even be certain economies of scale, but that's probably a desperately optimistic hope.I know that but do you honestly think a council will let a Coventry City stadium take precedence over the construction of new homes and HS2? The councils first and foremost priority will be ensuring there are links to keep delays from these plans to a minimum. I'm no expert either but I'd guess that whoever pays for the infrastructure whether it be the council or the developer of said stadium, I'd guess even if planning was granted, that it would have to work around HS2 and the new housing estate and ensure it doesn't affect both timelines. So funding ironically isn't even the biggest issue in this scenario.
Like I said I've been to several meetings as I live locally and just sitting in those it's clear what a huge undertaking this is - and still a number of people are sceptical about how it's going to work even with the new road system in place. I reiterate I'm not an expert by any means with regards to transport links, construction, planning etc. but just from what I've been told/heard, in my opinion in the next 3-5 years, there is no way a stadium could be constructed around this area as there simply isn't the infrastructure in place to accommodate that many people, not in the short term anyway.
What are you expecting the attendances to be if there was a new stadium at Warwick Uni? The current infrastructure copes with 29,000 staff and students.
Well, HS2 is currently under review. I'm still not convinced it'll actually happen and, even then, it's a case of and rather than or. Could even be certain economies of scale, but that's probably a desperately optimistic hope.
The timescales aren't going to be short wherever we go, but I don't think 3 years to get something up, 5 years to complete is unreasonable (with the caveat that in 6 years our lot have drawn a generic picture!). Plus, if work actually started, more would buy into wherever we were playing, I'm sure.
The council will not sort out the roads around there now let alone building houses as well! This council expects the contractors to sort out the transport issues full stopWell I assume we won't look to build a 500 seater stadium we so lets use our common sense Dave. 29000 students, plus the construction of up to 4500 houses and an HS2 route. Do you honestly believe the Warwick Uni area could also accommodate the construction of a stadium in the next 3-5 years?
Do you even commute around there because if you don't I'm not sure why you're offering comment as if you did you'd know it's already terrible.
Which if one were cynical, is where Woodlands looks like a bluff, where SISU ask the council to sort out the infrastructure, knowing full well they can't, even if they wanted to.The council will not sort out the roads around there now let alone building houses as well! This council expects the contractors to sort out the transport issues full stop
Unless things have changed since I went to uni there's not a huge number of lectures going on at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.Well I assume we won't look to build a 500 seater stadium we so lets use our common sense Dave. 29000 students, plus the construction of up to 4500 houses and an HS2 route. Do you honestly believe the Warwick Uni area could also accommodate the construction of a stadium in the next 3-5 years?
Do you even commute around there because if you don't I'm not sure why you're offering comment as if you did you'd know it's already terrible.
Is there no plans for Birmingham City to move there afterwards? Surely they've learnt from the mess with the Olympic Stadium and lined that up.It's likely to end up a white elephant after the games
NoIs there no plans for Birmingham City to move there afterwards? Surely they've learnt from the mess with the Olympic Stadium and lined that up.
Its who you owe money too thats a problem! as you say lots of clubs bumble along with debts but invariably the main creditors are owners of the club and the debt only becomes a problem if they decide to pull the loans. In WASP case its a bond and the they are quite avoricious and demanding if there is even a hint of a problem and its like a run on a bank.Plenty of sports teams stumble along in millions of pounds worth of debt for years. Are wasps actually likely to be in serious trouble over the next couple of years?
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Its who you owe money too thats a problem! as you say lots of clubs bumble along with debts but invariably the main creditors are owners of the club and the debt only becomes a problem if they decide to pull the loans. In WASP case its a bond and the they are quite avoricious and demanding if there is even a hint of a problem and its like a run on a bank.
Unless things have changed since I went to uni there's not a huge number of lectures going on at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.
I do commute there, live just down the road from the uni and have to travel through that area multiple times a day. In all honesty I find it quite funny how much the locals complain as having lived all over the country its the least congested commute I've ever had!
Not saying its ideal or that it wouldn't prove to be a no go when looked in to properly but I'm not buying the idea it should be completely ruled out without the relevant experts even looking in to it.
Because the council know if we sort ourselves out elsewhere and London Wasps go pop or home then they'll be stuck with an expensive white elephant and they don't want that.I don't believe for a second SISU are going to build a stadium but then I didn't believe we'd end up in Birmingham or Northampton.
As I've said many times before, going back to when they first mentioned a stadium, why not call their bluff? If everyone got behind it and pressured the council to get SISU to a point where they have no choice but to build it or admit it was all a bluff.
Look at Woodlands for example. Instead of the council stalling for 12 months why not reply and say great idea. We'll give you a 12 month option on a lease, same as we have for Wasps, so get the plans submitted. If they'd have done that when SISU first enquired by now we'd either have plans submitted and be moving forward or SISU having to explain why they haven't gone ahead.
Plenty of sports teams stumble along in millions of pounds worth of debt for years. Are wasps actually likely to be in serious trouble over the next couple of years?
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They may be at risk, but we are too of course.They have to be at risk if the debts are £55m and going up. Income is going down due to CCFC leaving and no European Rugby plus the bond issue and investigation by FCA. Star players leaving, likely to be a weaker team next year and no world class training ground is not how they would have seen it pan out.
It's crazy for both sides because to me the Ricoh doesn't feel like home and surely the same applies to Wasps because apart from the couple of crests it looks like somebody else's ground.
There are good analogies from rugbyIts who you owe money too thats a problem! as you say lots of clubs bumble along with debts but invariably the main creditors are owners of the club and the debt only becomes a problem if they decide to pull the loans. In WASP case its a bond and the they are quite avoricious and demanding if there is even a hint of a problem and its like a run on a bank.
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