Newcastle after Wilson (1 Viewer)

The Gentleman · Nov 4, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
He won't go for more money, if you watch his interview on SBP after signing his new deal, he said that he intended to buy a new place for his family in Coventry.

Are you honestly being that naive. What young player who is hungry wouldn't want to showcase himself on a bigger stage with the prospect of earning 7 or 8 timers what he is on now. The only decent and hungry players who have stayed on at the clubs they were at as kids is people like Steven Gerrard, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes to name a few, but look at the clubs they were playing for. Of course he is going to say that he is happy at Coventry, would be a stupid thing if he didn't. Would have probably been in the bomb squad otherwise.

covcity4life · Nov 4, 2013

you are the naive one

bigi doesnt play for newcastle first team,nor will wilson straight away

its not a no brainer move at all.

thaiskyblue · Nov 4, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
He won't go for more money, if you watch his interview on SBP after signing his new deal, he said that he intended to buy a new place for his family in Coventry.

robbo i liked your statement as a laugh, sorry but saying he wont go for money is absolute tosh, i wish you were correct , but sadly it's all about money.

The Gentleman · Nov 4, 2013

covcity4life said:
you are the naive one

bigi doesnt play for newcastle first team,nor will wilson straight away

its not a no brainer move at all.

Naive, really ?. if you are good enough then you are old enough. There have been plenty of players who have rose to the big occasion when signing for a big club. You are obviously a glass half full man, so what you are saying is you think that Wilson isn't good enough ? If you really knew what you were talking about then wouldn't you be a talent scout ?

kg82 · Nov 4, 2013

thaiskyblue said:
robbo i liked your statement as a laugh, sorry but saying he wont go for money is absolute tosh, i wish you were correct , but sadly it's all about money.

"It's all about money" - do you know him personally?

thaiskyblue · Nov 4, 2013

Yes actually.

The Gentleman · Nov 4, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Naive, really ?. if you are good enough then you are old enough. There have been plenty of players who have rose to the big occasion when signing for a big club. You are obviously a glass half full man, so what you are saying is you think that Wilson isn't good enough ? If you really knew what you were talking about then wouldn't you be a talent scout ?

Meant to say glass half empty, it was a long weekend...........

covcity4life · Nov 4, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Naive, really ?. if you are good enough then you are old enough. There have been plenty of players who have rose to the big occasion when signing for a big club. You are obviously a glass half full man, so what you are saying is you think that Wilson isn't good enough ? If you really knew what you were talking about then wouldn't you be a talent scout ?

what?

i said he wouldnt play right away imo

and this kid has been dogged by injuries all his career and stated many times how just playing week in week out is biggest priority.

the guy is also obviosuly obssessed with top goal scorers award(good thing) i cant see them giving up regualr play and accolades( in possibly promotion winning team) to play newcastle reserves for 6 months

any move available in janaury will probably be waiting for him in summer too.

The Gentleman · Nov 4, 2013

covcity4life said:
what?

i said he wouldnt play right away imo

and this kid has been dogged by injuries all his career and stated many times how just playing week in week out is biggest priority.

the guy is also obviosuly obssessed with top goal scorers award(good thing) i cant see them giving up regualr play and accolades( in possibly promotion winning team) to play newcastle reserves for 6 months

any move available in janaury will probably be waiting for him in summer too.

Firstly, young kids get injured a lot but as they get older and stronger they become more robust and not so injury prone. Even if you were proved right and he was playing in the reserves, do they not play week in week out ?

It may happen and it may not, but as you say he is very hungry and with that comes ambition and like I said, every now and some young kids take to the big stage like a duck to water. Who is to say Callum isn't one of them, he has two things that scare defenders to death, pace and power and on top of that he can finish and them's the ones that are like gold dust. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more clubs are keeping tabs on him, because there are no other clubs where both their strikers are the top scorers in the league.

kg82 · Nov 4, 2013

thaiskyblue said:
Yes actually.

And he's come out and told you it's all about the money for him?!

Covstu · Nov 4, 2013

This guy has clicked well with his strike partner this season, he wasnt in the running last season so who is to say he has 'come of age?' I think he is a cracking young talent and i am not suprised that Newcastle are looking at him, we hold a bit more power in that he has signed a contract but i think he will wait until the end of the season. If we get promoted, then he stays, if we dont then good luck to him.

Jay88 · Nov 4, 2013

A move for Wilson would be too soon ... he's only just started playing regularly this season and would be a gamble for Premier League sides. Needs to be playing every game and also proving his fitness after a few injuries in the past.

Astute · Nov 4, 2013

kg82 said:
"It's all about money" - do you know him personally?

Didn't someone come on here saying they knew Bigi and he wouldn't move the week before he left?

covcity4life · Nov 4, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Firstly, young kids get injured a lot but as they get older and stronger they become more robust and not so injury prone. Even if you were proved right and he was playing in the reserves, do they not play week in week out ?

It may happen and it may not, but as you say he is very hungry and with that comes ambition and like I said, every now and some young kids take to the big stage like a duck to water. Who is to say Callum isn't one of them, he has two things that scare defenders to death, pace and power and on top of that he can finish and them's the ones that are like gold dust. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more clubs are keeping tabs on him, because there are no other clubs where both their strikers are the top scorers in the league.

im not stating anything as fact and im not denying anything you say is not correct

the only thing i am saying is that imo this is not a case of if they bid he will go 100%

CCFC88 · Nov 4, 2013

The main difference between footballers and "real life" workers is that one awful/extremely unlucky tackle can end his career. He is riding the crest of a wave at the moment and deserves to cash in if the offer is there whilst also getting a crack at the big time.

In my opinion he would only get better if he were to be training with the likes of cabaye and ben arfa and coming up against collocinni every day in training.

Its sad to say but footballers have to look after number 1, I would love to see him stay and develop with SP and the rest of the squad however I would not begrudge him leaving if a Premier League offer was on the table.

I would be upset if her were to go somewhere like Birmingham/Sheff Wed/Sheff Utd etc.

covcity4life · Nov 4, 2013

dalycov said:
The main difference between footballers and "real life" workers is that one awful/extremely unlucky tackle can end his career. He is riding the crest of a wave at the moment and deserves to cash in if the offer is there whilst also getting a crack at the big time.

In my opinion he would only get better if he were to be training with the likes of cabaye and ben arfa and coming up against collocinni every day in training.

Its sad to say but footballers have to look after number 1, I would love to see him stay and develop with SP and the rest of the squad however I would not begrudge him leaving if a Premier League offer was on the table.

I would be upset if her were to go somewhere like Birmingham/Sheff Wed/Sheff Utd etc.

your assuming he would go in first team,and also that cashing in is his priority.

CCFC88 · Nov 4, 2013

Im sure that Bigi will still look on his move as the correct decision, travelled over Europe playing with Newcastle earning a decent wedge.

If hed had stayed put hed be getting ready to play against AFC Wimbledon in the 1st round of the FA Cup

CCFC88 · Nov 4, 2013

covcity4life said:
your assuming he would go in first team,and also that chasing in is his priority.

Im assuming he would train with the first team squad, as bigi did when he moved. I would say Wilson is a better player than bigi was when he moved

covcity4life · Nov 4, 2013

dalycov said:
Im assuming he would train with the first team squad, as bigi did when he moved. I would say Wilson is a better player than bigi was when he moved

i wodner whos happier right now? bigi or wilson

as you say, a footballers career can be cut short at anytime, perhaps they would like to look back on a career full of actually playing?

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 4, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Are you honestly being that naive. What young player who is hungry wouldn't want to showcase himself on a bigger stage with the prospect of earning 7 or 8 timers what he is on now. The only decent and hungry players who have stayed on at the clubs they were at as kids is people like Steven Gerrard, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes to name a few, but look at the clubs they were playing for. Of course he is going to say that he is happy at Coventry, would be a stupid thing if he didn't. Would have probably been in the bomb squad otherwise.

Listen to yourself man! For example "What young player who is hungry wouldn't want to showcase himself on a bigger stage with the prospect of earning 7 or 8 timers what he is on now." Yes Callum may earn more money, but as much as I like Callum he sin't going to walk into the team in front of Loic Remy, which means he will either be showcasing himself in one or two places, the bench or reserves.

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 4, 2013

thaiskyblue said:
robbo i liked your statement as a laugh, sorry but saying he wont go for money is absolute tosh, i wish you were correct , but sadly it's all about money.

Maybe I am wrong, but if your intention as a player was to leave the club you were playing for why then sign a new deal to stay at your existing one? Wouldn't that just make things much more difficult to move on on? Plus listen to Callum's interviews "A matter of when not if" is one line he came out with, really sounds like a player desperate to leave for the Toon!

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 4, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Naive, really ?. if you are good enough then you are old enough. There have been plenty of players who have rose to the big occasion when signing for a big club. You are obviously a glass half full man, so what you are saying is you think that Wilson isn't good enough ? If you really knew what you were talking about then wouldn't you be a talent scout ?

Okay we all know Callum's a good player at League One level as proved by his records this season, but lets say that the Toon were interested he would be down the pecking order behind Remy, Cisse, Ameobi, Gouffran and the highly rated Adam Campbell.. What incentive is there for Callum to sign for Newcastle, sit on the bench and pick up a wage packet? Or play for his hometown club, the club he supports and help them rise again, which in fact is something he has already said he'd like to achieve with us!

Jay88 said:
A move for Wilson would be too soon ... he's only just started playing regularly this season and would be a gamble for Premier League sides. Needs to be playing every game and also proving his fitness after a few injuries in the past.

Jay's comment is top notch Callum has only played 25 games for City, that's not even one whole season, yes if Callum continues to knock them in for the rest of the season then maybe PL clubs will come sniffing, but I doubt at this moment any club like Newcastle will take the risk, not because Callum isn't good enough, but because Callum is still inexperienced and not maintained a consistent level, 25 games is not enough games to judge a 21-Year old kid and determine he will be good enough in the PL, because he has smashed 11 goals in for a League One side.

The Gentleman · Nov 4, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Listen to yourself man! For example "What young player who is hungry wouldn't want to showcase himself on a bigger stage with the prospect of earning 7 or 8 timers what he is on now." Yes Callum may earn more money, but as much as I like Callum he sin't going to walk into the team in front of Loic Remy, which means he will either be showcasing himself in one or two places, the bench or reserves.

Ok, I'll ignore the condescending tone in this post and the other. The point I am making is that if a player is hungry enough and believes in himself and his ability, then why wouldn't he think he could do a job with a bigger club which is much higher up the league than us (I did say in another post that I'll bet it's not just Newcastle looking). As someone else says, playing with international players must be a dream for a player like Callum. If it was Newcastle, they are not exactly scoring goals for fun are they. Look, I don't want to bring this thread down like what happens in some of the others, all I saying is that good young players who are hungry want to progress and if they can do that somewhere else earning a lot more money whilst they are at it, why wouldn't they. There is no real loyalty in the game anymore and what does he really owe us, if he wasn't here he would be somewhere else. If he did go (as I also said previously he may not), who could blame him.

lewys33 · Nov 4, 2013

At least this argument is about a player!

If Callum is sold in January then so be it. Fair play to him. It is not like this hasn't happened before is it? You just have to get over it!

What if we sold him on the basis we have him on loan till the end of the season? I would take that especially if he is sold for £millions

CCFC88 · Nov 4, 2013

covcity4life said:
i wodner whos happier right now? bigi or wilson

as you say, a footballers career can be cut short at anytime, perhaps they would like to look back on a career full of actually playing?

Or perhaps look back at turning down the chance to make his family and the next 2 generations financially stable?

Unfortunately money talks in this day and age and a rich footballer is a happy footballer. If you ran a poll of footballers in playing in League 1 & 2, you would struggle to find many who are genuinely happy about peaking at that level

CCFC88 · Nov 4, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Maybe I am wrong, but if your intention as a player was to leave the club you were playing for why then sign a new deal to stay at your existing one? Wouldn't that just make things much more difficult to move on on? Plus listen to Callum's interviews "A matter of when not if" is one line he came out with, really sounds like a player desperate to leave for the Toon!

Theres a big difference between a player desperate to leave, odemwengie, and a player being offered a contract/opportunity that is too good to turn down, bigirimana

CCFC88 · Nov 4, 2013

Jay's comment is top notch Callum has only played 25 games for City, that's not even one whole season, yes if Callum continues to knock them in for the rest of the season then maybe PL clubs will come sniffing, but I doubt at this moment any club like Newcastle will take the risk, not because Callum isn't good enough, but because Callum is still inexperienced and not maintained a consistent level, 25 games is not enough games to judge a 21-Year old kid and determine he will be good enough in the PL, because he has smashed 11 goals in for a League One side.[/QUOTE]

I dont think anyone is questioning the fact that he is still inexperienced, it does not mean that Newcastle wont make an offer and wont sign him. Remember Bigirimana only played 26 times for us before Newcastle "gambled" on him.

From their point of view they are taking less of a gamble buying him now than in say 12 months after he has fired us back to the Championship and his value has rocketed.

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 4, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Ok, I'll ignore the condescending tone in this post and the other. The point I am making is that if a player is hungry enough and believes in himself and his ability, then why wouldn't he think he could do a job with a bigger club which is much higher up the league than us (I did say in another post that I'll bet it's not just Newcastle looking). As someone else says, playing with international players must be a dream for a player like Callum. If it was Newcastle, they are not exactly scoring goals for fun are they. Look, I don't want to bring this thread down like what happens in some of the others, all I saying is that good young players who are hungry want to progress and if they can do that somewhere else earning a lot more money whilst they are at it, why wouldn't they. There is no real loyalty in the game anymore and what does he really owe us, if he wasn't here he would be somewhere else. If he did go (as I also said previously he may not), who could blame him.

I appreciate the point you are trying to make, one thing certainly I will agree on is that it won't just be Newcastle looking, however if you look at the evidence Callum has been saying for ages he wants to stay at City and help them up the League and into the play-offs and that he wanted to sign a new deal with the club and he kept his word by signing a new deal, Callum has said a fair bit about sticking around maybe that is reasons to be positive instead of assuming otherwise..

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 4, 2013

dalycov said:
Theres a big difference between a player desperate to leave, odemwengie, and a player being offered a contract/opportunity that is too good to turn down, bigirimana

If he goes for the money then it's modern Football for you, however for a career move Bigi's move worked well.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 4, 2013

Obviously Wilson will have ambitions to play at a higher level eventually, too often though young players leave too early he would be better staying for 3 more years, he would then be 24 and if he has proved his worth and top clubs want him. Then he would be mad to turn it down.

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Hugh Jarse · Nov 4, 2013

Is that the distant call of a bigger pay cheque I hear in the distance?

Sadly, this is the way of the footballing world and , come January, we may find ourselves a few players light.

covcity4life · Nov 4, 2013

Hugh Jarse said:
Is that the distant call of a bigger pay cheque I hear in the distance?

Sadly, this is the way of the footballing world and , come January, we may find ourselves a few players light.

its not the case for every single player in the world.

thats all anyone is saying, there is a chance he might not go.

CCFC88 · Nov 4, 2013

covcity4life said:
its not the case for every single player in the world.

thats all anyone is saying, there is a chance he might not go.

Agreed, but can you name the last player that we owned that turned down an offer from a higher placed team?

Nick · Nov 4, 2013

dalycov said:
Agreed, but can you name the last player that we owned that turned down an offer from a higher placed team?

Yes, Cyrus Christie in the summer...next?

Hugh Jarse · Nov 4, 2013

dalycov said:
Agreed, but can you name the last player that we owned that turned down an offer from a higher placed team?

Hmmmmmm, can I phone a friend?

It's pure economics. Let's say you are 21 years old and you are getting, I dunno, £500 a week for Division 1 football and someone says they will pay you £5000 a week to play for a Premiership team. Big grounds, big crowds, more limelight. What is the average 21 year old male going to do?

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