Skyblueweeman
Well-Known Member
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But can they make a good train station?
Tesla haven't spent a penny on advertising, the believe they should spent the money on research and producing the best product and then word of mouth will take care of it (and so far it has, can they keep that up though when they release a more mainstream model, I don't know), I don't mean Tesla alone would destroy major manufacturers, I mean Tesla and other car manufacturers who are open to this technology for the future (like bmw) will destroy those who think it's a fad and only a small percentage of cars will ever be driverless. We've already seen major manufacturers with their bribes (lobbying) trying to stop Tesla in the US and maintain their status quo.
You are right of course that the Tesla brand is very strong but for the most part the fans of Tesla are really fans of Elon Musk and believe that he really could change humanity with spacex, his solar and battery tech and with tesla, not to mention things like the hyperloop.
I agree that there are massive issues to overcome before large take up of this sort of tech, but they will be overcome. We'll end up with a situation that is much much safer, much better for the environment, convenient and easy to use, better in everyway other than the loss of pleasure some people get from driving and that will need to be fulfilled in a different way.
We need a name for the station ,Im going for Oggy's stop
Automatic Climate Control? Automatic cornering correction? Assisted clutch control? As you can see, I could make dumb guesses all day......whats ACC please Grendel?
I think driverless cars, in real terms of mass take up, are many many years away....
Think how many times your latest top-notch technology freezes, glitches, shuts down or even gives you the trusty old BSOD....
If it happens just once in a driverless car, then it could kill several people....
Until they can prove 100% reliability....the potential for expensive & damaging litigation will always outweigh the manufacturers desire to push the product to market.....
I'd be surprised if they were anything other than a novelty for at least the next 15 years....
I don't think the train will be running on Saturday afternoons so we should be ok.
Adaptive cruise control - the car self brakes down to a minimum speed,
One one here says they like it.
Out of interest how many use a normal cruise control feature regularly?
Adaptive cruise control - the car self brakes down to a minimum speed,
One one here says they like it.
Out of interest how many use a normal cruise control feature regularly?
Franchised Folly?
This is known as half-wheeling in the cycling world & is a big big no-no when riding in a peloton...
Out of interest how many use a normal cruise control feature regularly?
At the risk of de-railing (keeping it real for the thread), do you ride JHFC? I've had a Mekk Poggio Carbon model for a couple of years but looking to upgrade. Got back into cycling when the knees were telling me they had enough of football!
Sorry I meant 10% and incrementally
The thought of Teala destroying anyone did amuse me though. Branding will always win through.
There are several issues to consider;
- technology cost and consumer cost
- the desire of major markets (not UK) to engage in the concept
- if the technology will limit the driving experience
- insurance differentials (already concerns being expressed)
Remember also even if some of the wildly optimistic forecasts are to be believed the car parc will still be massively non automated therefore having implications for manufacturers on RV management and network profitability so will be managed carefully.
I disagree regarding driving. Many enjoy it and will continue to do so.
Sorry I misread your branding comment when I replied earlier, it's certainly true that it's incredibly hard to break into an industry with such major established brands especially when the entry requirements are high. I don't think it's been done by any car company for a long time, I believe the last time it was really done was by jeep in the 40's (I could easily be wrong) but I think Tesla has now gotten over that hurdle and will now continue to go from strength to strength, they already have a major fan base, are well on their way to massively increased production and are sold out for the next 6 months or so, in a couple of years we will see the introduction of a mass market model. Tesla is worth $30Billion now already (though I think a big chunk of that is based on peoples beliefs regarding future performance)
We've recently seen the iphone and android take a massive amount of market share from the once utterly dominant nokia and blackberry too. If you are stuck in your ways and don't innovate it will catch up to you.
Tesla's retail policy means it will never succeed. Unless it joins the real retail world it will always be frozen out and never grow.
If that were true there wouldn't be the huge level of whineing, crying and legalised bribary going on in America to attempt to prevent their retail policy. If they ever need to move to a more traditional model I'm sure they will but car dealerships are hardly a well loved institution and I hope they can thrive without them, they are certainly doing so now but things may change when they release the more mainstream and affordable model. I don't really see any reason that Tesla stores, test drives and online can't be enough (unless forced too by US Law) though I've never really thought about it.
The main reason is that retailers, despite criticism, are retailers. They build a process and business model around retailing. So prospecting, dealing, marketing in a cut throat world is their business. It's a tough one as well but I would guess in the UK a very high percentage of dealerships are owned by 3 or 4 of the big retailers (certainly in the Premium Sector) - it is a very different game to the manufacturer.
If they did move into the franchise environment they would also have issues. They would I guess want solus status and an expensive CI. It would be a brave dealer group that took that on.
I don't think the train will be running on Saturday afternoons so we should be ok.
Not too sure Rev. Although widening is definately going on in the vast majority of the M25 up to 4-5 and even 6 lanes on the busiest stretches( junction 8 M4 turn off round underneath London to Dartford Tunnel)Out of interest SBK is it planned to be six lanes all the way round. sorry for the non football,non slag off SISU post
Sorry I meant 10% and incrementally
The thought of Teala destroying anyone did amuse me though. Branding will always win through.
There are several issues to consider;
- technology cost and consumer cost
- the desire of major markets (not UK) to engage in the concept
- if the technology will limit the driving experience
- insurance differentials (already concerns being expressed)
Remember also even if some of the wildly optimistic forecasts are to be believed the car parc will still be massively non automated therefore having implications for manufacturers on RV management and network profitability so will be managed carefully.
I disagree regarding driving. Many enjoy it and will continue to do so.
Out of interest how many use a normal cruise control feature regularly?
Yeah. I'm off down to my local Triumph, Alvis, Austin, Morris, Wolseley, Riley, Humber, Hillman and Sunbeam dealers at the weekend to test drive some of their latest models. Oh, wait...
...on second thoughts I'll just go to the local Rover dealer instead. Oh, wait...
The main reason is that retailers, despite criticism, are retailers. They build a process and business model around retailing. So prospecting, dealing, marketing in a cut throat world is their business. It's a tough one as well but I would guess in the UK a very high percentage of dealerships are owned by 3 or 4 of the big retailers (certainly in the Premium Sector) - it is a very different game to the manufacturer.
If they did move into the franchise environment they would also have issues. They would I guess want solus status and an expensive CI. It would be a brave dealer group that took that on.
That's why they failed Tony. As a global brand they were all tripe. Why, when I am having a sensible discussion are you still behaving like a child?
To be honest I'm half expecting this, would not be surprised if our matches somehow don't qualify as big enough events to run the promised extra services.
Or the police will knock it on the head, there doesn't look to be anywhere for segregation, lets say we go up next season and have matches against Leicester, Wolves and Brum. Are the police going to be happy to have a large number of fans of both sides mixed in together? Can see trains not stopping at the Ricoh on those occasions for safety reasons.
Hope I'm wrong though and its all been properly thought thought and will make it easier for more people to get up to our games.
They were the original global brands, Austin especially. You could go to any corner off the globe for decades and find Austin cars, they had factories also in every corner of the globe. What they failed to do is adapt and move forward and eventually got overtaken by the manufacturers who's cars they use to laugh at. Most notably Nissan and Toyota.
So you go ahead and laugh at the small companies trying out the cutting edge technology but if I was you I'd look at the history of the automobile first and then ask yourself is laughing at them the right thing to do.
Ford were in trouble at one stage. Henry Ford wanted to keep the Model T. They did so well at first because they were the ones who started the production line instead of a car at a time. But the other car makers were making better cars eventually. He was more or less forced to change his ideas.
I have cars built by the bigger makers normally but not their top sellers. I want something a bit different. And I don't have silver, black or white just because most other people do. I never have to look for my cars in a car park. And I am not alone in wanting something different.
So all your global brands are now down to one.
Austin to my knowledge only built cars at longbridge and died as a company in the early 50's - swallowed up by the company that effectively was BL.
They weren't a global brand and your Nissan comment is funny as Austin are in some circles credited with inadvertently starting that companies growth.
The motor industry is dominated by a handful of players and for many reasons always will be.
So what is stopping Tesla from doing well then getting bought out by one of the big players? There are not many because the big players buy out the others when they hit problems or are a money making buy.
So what do you own now?
Why would anyone want them? They have no brand identity and would be a nightmare in the franchised network to attract retailers interest.
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