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Grendel

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The technology is worth a lot. Look at how much they are pumping into electric cars.

Try going back a fair few years now. Who would want to buy Skoda? They were a joke of a car. Now they are a decent mainstream motor.

How to you think franchised dealers make money?
 

Astute

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How to you think franchised dealers make money?

A small profit from selling cars. Then much more from inflated parts, servicing and repairs prices. They can make much more from selling their nearly new cars than new.
 

Grendel

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A small profit from selling cars. Then much more from inflated parts, servicing and repairs prices. They can make much more from selling their nearly new cars than new.

And what is Tesla's USP?
 

skybluetony176

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So all your global brands are now down to one.

Austin to my knowledge only built cars at longbridge and died as a company in the early 50's - swallowed up by the company that effectively was BL.

They weren't a global brand and your Nissan comment is funny as Austin are in some circles credited with inadvertently starting that companies growth.

The motor industry is dominated by a handful of players and for many reasons always will be.

Austin's were also manufactured in South Africa and Australia of the top of my head. Many models were made under license too literary everywhere by everyone including as you alluded to the Austin 7 being built by then Datsun now Nissan, they were also built by BMW.
 

Astute

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And what is Tesla's USP?

Just because the normal way of doing things seems to work well doesn't mean another way can't work. They will need repair and service specialists. Not looked at their plans. But they seem to be doing things their own way and have cornered the market on top end electric cars. Others are catching up. But they can do things remotely to the cars. Much better than getting ripped off with a normal boring car.
 

Noggin

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Why would anyone want them? They have no brand identity and would be a nightmare in the franchised network to attract retailers interest.

Tesla are one of the most loved companies out there generating the same sort of love as Apple except they actually have a reason to back it up, real cutting edge, world changing products. They have a market cap higher than Fiat-Crysler (which includes Ferrari) and are worth about half as much as Ford. It's madness to suggest they have no brand identity and all of this has been created with no advertising whatsoever.

I know I sound like a fanboy here but honestly I am, Musk really is one of the most if not the most remarkable person of this generation, someone that not only wants to change the world for the better but has the brains and the drive to make it happen and is willing to fail hard and gamble everything he owned to make it happen.
 

Skyblueweeman

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Great for cycling where I live. Especially if you like trekking although it might be a bit heavy on your knees. I don't know who you work for but my place does a cycle to work scheme. You can buy any bike and pay for it out of your wages.....before stoppages. Some lads get a new one each year and sell their old one for close to what they pay unless they trash them trekking.

Yeah, I was in North Lakes, Penrith recently meeting a client and the scenery was stunning. It's pretty good here on the coast when it's not too windy. Portsmouth to Brighton and back is longest ride I've done in the UK but not great for scenery. The South Downs has that in abundance though.

I was for a global hospitality company and work out of a couple of offices...one in Gatwick, one in Central London. Although I'm not adverse to a long distance ride, not sure I'd want to do it with a laptop on my back! I think my company do do it though and I've pointed a couple of mates in that direction with their own companies.
 

Grendel

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Austin's were also manufactured in South Africa and Australia of the top of my head. Many models were made under license too literary everywhere by everyone including as you alluded to the Austin 7 being built by then Datsun now Nissan, they were also built by BMW.

Licence means selling of patents means brand destruction

They were finished in 1950 and would have been dead a long time before that without the war saving them

Building in those countries (colonies) is hardly all over the world and I suspect is KD manufacture anyway. Not that I can see any evidence they built there at all.
 

M&B Stand

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So, do we like the new train station or not?

We're complaining it's not on a par with the refurbished New Street, even though nobody knows how well used the faculty will be.
Some are even speculating that it won't be used when it's needed most because or segregation or elf n safety or summat.

If there's not a Gourmet Coffee shop on the platform serving organic coffee....I'm out.
 

Astute

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Yeah, I was in North Lakes, Penrith recently meeting a client and the scenery was stunning. It's pretty good here on the coast when it's not too windy. Portsmouth to Brighton and back is longest ride I've done in the UK but not great for scenery. The South Downs has that in abundance though.

I was for a global hospitality company and work out of a couple of offices...one in Gatwick, one in Central London. Although I'm not adverse to a long distance ride, not sure I'd want to do it with a laptop on my back! I think my company do do it though and I've pointed a couple of mates in that direction with their own companies.

Grizedale is a good spot. Southern/central lakes. And I joined the National Trust as it is free to park my car in many places through the lakes although Grizedale is a different one :( Lots of trails, bike rides and also has a Go Ape. Here is a bit on the cycle routes http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/infd-8z4dzz
 

Otis

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We're complaining it's not on a par with the refurbished New Street, even though nobody knows how well used the faculty will be.
Some are even speculating that it won't be used when it's needed most because or segregation or elf n safety or summat.

If there's not a Gourmet Coffee shop on the platform serving organic coffee....I'm out.

We can do Gourmless if that helps at all.
 

James Smith

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Tesla's retail policy means it will never succeed. Unless it joins the real retail world it will always be frozen out and never grow.

In a previous job I met a nice guy from the states who was involved in the motor industry. I mentioned that I'd seen a Hummer the previous day and it was customised with under chassis lighting and tinted windows. He said that GM were going to lose their shirt on the brand thanks in no small part to them having their own dealer network and not being part of the existing GM one. I don't know the first thing about selling cars, dealer networks etc. but I seem to remember reading later on that he had been correct.
 

skybluetony176

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Licence means selling of patents means brand destruction

They were finished in 1950 and would have been dead a long time before that without the war saving them

Building in those countries (colonies) is hardly all over the world and I suspect is KD manufacture anyway. Not that I can see any evidence they built there at all.

Many of them models were unique to those parts of the world. For instance an Austin 1800 utility was never built in the UK just one, again of the top and my head.

Other brands too. For instance the Rover P76 was never made in the UK and was not developed or the back of a UK model either.
 
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Grendel

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Many of them models were unique to those parts of the world. For instance an Austin 1800 utility was never built in the UK just one, again of the top and my head.

Other brands too. For instance the Rover P76 was never made in the UK and was not developed or the back of a UK model either.

Austin ceased to exist when the 1800 was built - that was just badge engineering. It was then BL. You said they were a global brand.
 

skybluetony176

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Austin ceased to exist when the 1800 was built - that was just badge engineering. It was then BL. You said they were a global brand.

And they were. Austin didn't cease to exist with the 1800. The marque appearing much much later than you suggest. Right up to the Maestro and Montego went out of production in fact. The brand name then changed to rover but continued building the classic Austin Mini, albeit with a Rover badge. Forgot the Austin Metro as well.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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At the risk of de-railing (keeping it real for the thread), do you ride JHFC? I've had a Mekk Poggio Carbon model for a couple of years but looking to upgrade. Got back into cycling when the knees were telling me they had enough of football!


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Yes weeman, I do a bit of riding. I used to cycle with a club in my youth but these days I just get out as & when I can (not often enough with wife, kids, dog & own business) but I no longer ride in a peloton or cover great distances. I did a couple of sportives & charity rides last year.....but a lot of "new" cyclists have not learned the etiquette, so its a little like every man for himself.

I love descending....so have done a fair bit of climbing the last couple of years. Followed the TDF last year & did a couple 60+ mile rides around Yorks. with 7 or 8 categorised climbs including holme moss. Got over 50mph on the way down that one:eek:

Never had a carbon bike.....I've got an old skool Reynolds 531 falcon which I've had since 1990 for touring & I have a basic alloy ribble F&F but with a complete campag groupset & wheels so it rides like a far more expensive machine.

95% of what makes a good ride is what you hang on the F&F.....don't believe the cycling mag hype.
 

Otis

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Back OFF topic....

Yes weeman, I do a bit of riding. I used to cycle with a club in my youth but these days I just get out as & when I can (not often enough with wife, kids, dog & own business) but I no longer ride in a peloton or cover great distances. I did a couple of sportives & charity rides last year.....but a lot of "new" cyclists have not learned the etiquette, so its a little like every man for himself.

I love descending....so have done a fair bit of climbing the last couple of years. Followed the TDF last year & did a couple 60+ mile rides around Yorks. with 7 or 8 categorised climbs including holme moss. Got over 50mph on the way down that one:eek:

Never had a carbon bike.....I've got an old skool Reynolds 531 falcon which I've had since 1990 for touring & I have a basic alloy ribble F&F but with a complete campag groupset & wheels so it rides like a far more expensive machine.

95% of what makes a good ride is what you hang on the F&F.....don't believe the cycling mag hype.


I had a Raleigh Chopper when I was 10 if that helps any.
 

Skyblueweeman

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Back OFF topic....

Yes weeman, I do a bit of riding. I used to cycle with a club in my youth but these days I just get out as & when I can (not often enough with wife, kids, dog & own business) but I no longer ride in a peloton or cover great distances. I did a couple of sportives & charity rides last year.....but a lot of "new" cyclists have not learned the etiquette, so its a little like every man for himself.

I love descending....so have done a fair bit of climbing the last couple of years. Followed the TDF last year & did a couple 60+ mile rides around Yorks. with 7 or 8 categorised climbs including holme moss. Got over 50mph on the way down that one:eek:

Never had a carbon bike.....I've got an old skool Reynolds 531 falcon which I've had since 1990 for touring & I have a basic alloy ribble F&F but with a complete campag groupset & wheels so it rides like a far more expensive machine.

95% of what makes a good ride is what you hang on the F&F.....don't believe the cycling mag hype.

I went to see the TDF in London last year...great day...from what I can remember! Not many categorised climbs where I live, all Cat 5s in the area so I tend to go up around the Goodwood area which is pretty good. Highest descent clocked at 53mph...hands covering the hoods all the way down :)

Always considered getting a Ribble actually...when I win the lottery I might treat myself to a Pinarello Dogma and Ribble Gran Fondo. Bike porn.
 

Otis

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I went to see the TDF in London last year...great day...from what I can remember! Not many categorised climbs where I live, all Cat 5s in the area so I tend to go up around the Goodwood area which is pretty good. Highest descent clocked at 53mph...hands covering the hoods all the way down :)

Always considered getting a Ribble actually...when I win the lottery I might treat myself to a Pinarello Dogma and Ribble Gran Fondo. Bike porn.

And you're talking in a foreign language. :confused:

Sorry, but I don't talk Bike.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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I went to see the TDF in London last year...great day...from what I can remember! Not many categorised climbs where I live, all Cat 5s in the area so I tend to go up around the Goodwood area which is pretty good. Highest descent clocked at 53mph...hands covering the hoods all the way down :)

Always considered getting a Ribble actually...when I win the lottery I might treat myself to a Pinarello Dogma and Ribble Gran Fondo. Bike porn.

Ribble are a good company....they've been building frames for over a century....Chris Boardman owes them big time!!

Have a look at Dolan.....Terry Dolan used to be chief frame builder at Ribble & they make some clean kit these days......good value too.

If I buy another road bike, I may well try a titanium F&F....I've heard good things about the dutch makers Van Nicholas.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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I had a Raleigh Chopper when I was 10 if that helps any.

Certainly does Otis.....cool as fuck. I always had shitty 2nd or 3rd hand bikes that weighed about 20st when I was a nipper.......then BMX happened & my love affair with all things "bike" started.

Eddie Fiola & Sean Kelly have a lot to answer for....
 

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