Northampton to Unveil Pland for New Ground (2 Viewers)

skybluepm2 · Aug 13, 2013

Just read Cardoza's comments with regards to unveiling new stadium plans for NTFC in the next few weeks. I wonder how long that will take to build? 5 years? I certainly doubt it...I'm not sure what plans they have with Sixfields (probably housing development if any) but a) where does that leave us when it is built and b) is the answer to a) Sixfields permanently? Highly unlikely, but if someone had said to me 12 months ago we'd now be playing in Northampton I wouldn't have believed them...even with the scum in charge. Just a thought?

SkyblueBazza · Aug 13, 2013

skybluepm2 said:
Just read Cardoza's comments with regards to unveiling new stadium plans for NTFC in the next few weeks. I wonder how long that will take to build? 5 years? I certainly doubt it...I'm not sure what plans they have with Sixfields (probably housing development if any) but a) where does that leave us when it is built and b) is the answer to a) Sixfields permanently? Highly unlikely, but if someone had said to me 12 months ago we'd now be playing in Northampton I wouldn't have believed them...even with the scum in charge. Just a thought?

What price a groundshare with CCFC in Daventry/Rugby area?

Manchester_sky_blue · Aug 13, 2013

I cant get access to the northampton website but read the abridged version on Cov Mad, sounds more like sixfields is going to be redeveloped rather than a complete new stadium. So where has the money come from for that then? I thought the cobblers were skint? Is it just me or do their plans for a 10-12k capacity stadium, hotel and conference centre sound eerily famililar to the ground SISU claim they are going to build for us?

I jokingly posted a while back that sisu would look to take over Northampton and merge them with the sky blues into a single northampton based team............... not looking so funny now.

Nick · Aug 13, 2013

Sixfields is being redeveloped isn't it??

skybluepm2 · Aug 13, 2013

I see the angle you're readin it from MancSB, why is he polishing it up as if its going to be a new stadium? No wonder Fisher is mates with this guy! Another liar!!

Northampton TownChairman David Cardoza told the Northampton Chronicle: “We are just finishing the heads of terms with the council, which should be agreed by the end of this month. If not it will be the first couple of days in September

“We are also running plans for the new stadium alongside that and once we have got the heads of terms signed we will put in for planning permission for the new stadium very soon after that.
“Basically plans will be ready within the next couple of weeks, obviously everyone can see those, and hopefully, fingers crossed, the planning will go in for the beginning to the middle of September.”

skybluepm2 · Aug 13, 2013

Nick said:
Sixfields is being redeveloped isn't it??

That's what I initially thought but from reading the latest interview it sounds as if they are re-developing Sixsheds as well as planning for a new ground. I could be wrong but my above post reads as if that is the case :thinking about:

Hugh Jarse · Aug 13, 2013

I see the angle you're readin it from MancSB, why is he polishing it up as if its going to be a new stadium?

You can't polish a turd.....................................................but you can sprinkle glitter on it!!

italiahorse · Aug 13, 2013

It does not affect us.

Tim Fisher will do what is best. The FL, The FA, The Financial Ombudsman SISU will do as they are told.

Fans don't count so we can all argue amongst ourselves, taking our venom out on fellow supporters.
SISU shareholders can loose as much money as he wants.

Councils, stadium management, the law, SISU will listen too him, shake hands, and then he laughs at them back at the office as he about turns saying it was never possible.

T.W.A.T.

Sub · Aug 13, 2013

fuck me ! 'heads of terms again' sick of seeing that statement it means nothing :slap:

Nick · Aug 13, 2013

skybluepm2 said:
I see the angle you're readin it from MancSB, why is he polishing it up as if its going to be a new stadium? No wonder Fisher is mates with this guy! Another liar!!
”

Isn't he actually mates with Hoffman?

shmmeee · Aug 13, 2013

skybluepm2 said:
“We are also running plans for the new stadium alongside that and once we have got the heads of terms signed we will put in for planning permission for the new stadium very soon after that.
“Basically plans will be ready within the next couple of weeks, obviously everyone can see those, and hopefully, fingers crossed, the planning will go in for the beginning to the middle of September.”

So not even HoT signed and yet they're saying detailed plans available within a month. Didn't Sisu sign HoT several weeks ago and still not a hint of detail on our stadium?

SonOfSnoz · Aug 13, 2013

Is Cardoza, Fisher in disguise?
Close to signing terms of head blah blah....end of the month or early September blah blah....

Cobblers36 · Aug 13, 2013

Just to clarify ours is the redevelopment of Sixfields like some have pointed out and not a new stadium. Work will begin in January which will mean our East Stand being knocked down and rebuilt as the first part of the development. There will then be boxes placed in the West Stand and a hotel and conferencing facility in the South West corner of the ground. The capacity will go up to around 10k-12k. The money is coming from the council, £12million - they are doing something similar with Northampton Saints Rugby Club, although I believe their loan is £6million and just for one new stand. It isn't tax payers money it's a little different than a standard loan - all very confusing really.

I believe we will be selling off land around the ground that will eventually actually recoup more than the £12million loan. The council have to rehouse the athletics club somewhere also as they currently use the track behind our ground.

From January the capacity will be reduced to about 6,300 - obviously won't affect your crowds, might do ours but that will depend on how well we are doing.

oldskyblue58 · Aug 13, 2013

As i understand it the finance for the stadium(12m) is coming from the local council as a loan........... sure i have heard of that sort of thing happening elsewhere ...........

shmmeee · Aug 13, 2013

oldskyblue58 said:
As i understand it the finance for the stadium(12m) is coming from the local council as a loan........... sure i have heard of that sort of thing happening elsewhere ...........

I expect a JR any second.

SonOfSnoz · Aug 13, 2013

When Fisher talks, i seriously hope it's not NTFC he's actually talking about :|

NTFC · Aug 13, 2013

Ground expansion has been in planning wrangles for at least 10 years. Going ahead now through £12 loan from central government as part of the waterside redevelopment zone. Northampton as a whole is seeing huge regeneration. Nothing whatsoever to do with Cov.

chiefdave · Aug 13, 2013

hope Fisher doesn't find out about these loans NTFC and the rugby club are getting from the council, everyone will be in court before you know it!

treenie01 · Aug 13, 2013

The money is coming for a pot that is for development of the enterprise zone. The council for once hasbeen quite clear about it. Mainly because they knew people would moan

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

NTFC said:
Ground expansion has been in planning wrangles for at least 10 years. Going ahead now through £12 loan from central government as part of the waterside redevelopment zone. Northampton as a whole is seeing huge regeneration. Nothing whatsoever to do with Cov.

That £12 loan is really going to get NTFC far..

RPHunt · Aug 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
That £12 loan is really going to get NTFC far..

It will cover the wear and tear that all the extra fans will cause to the stadium.

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

RPHunt said:
It will cover the wear and tear that all the extra fans will cause to the stadium.

And still have spare change?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 13, 2013

Cobblers36 said:
Just to clarify ours is the redevelopment of Sixfields like some have pointed out and not a new stadium. Work will begin in January which will mean our East Stand being knocked down and rebuilt as the first part of the development. There will then be boxes placed in the West Stand and a hotel and conferencing facility in the South West corner of the ground. The capacity will go up to around 10k-12k. The money is coming from the council, £12million - they are doing something similar with Northampton Saints Rugby Club, although I believe their loan is £6million and just for one new stand. It isn't tax payers money it's a little different than a standard loan - all very confusing really.

I believe we will be selling off land around the ground that will eventually actually recoup more than the £12million loan. The council have to rehouse the athletics club somewhere also as they currently use the track behind our ground.

From January the capacity will be reduced to about 6,300 - obviously won't affect your crowds, might do ours but that will depend on how well we are doing.

Does that mean SISU will file for Judicial Review of this council loan too then? What hypocrisy if they don't! From their own JR submission:

“The claimants submit that it is no part of the function of a local authority to interfere with the ownership and commercial operation of a local football club and that this misconceived project has led the defendant to act unlawfully, and/or for an improper purpose"

You couldn't make this up.....

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Does that mean SISU will file for Judicial Review of this council loan too then? What hypocrisy if they don't! From their own JR submission:

“The claimants submit that it is no part of the function of a local authority to interfere with the ownership and commercial operation of a local football club and that this misconceived project has led the defendant to act unlawfully, and/or for an improper purpose"

You couldn't make this up.....

Unless your post is meant as a joke:

Why would SISU submit a JR against the Council Loan to NTFC when it clearly has nothing to do with us??

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Unless your post is meant as a joke:

Why would SISU submit a JR against the Council Loan to NTFC when it clearly has nothing to do with us??

My post was factitious, as it's exactly the same. They were tenants at the Ricoh when they claimed this investment was unlawful. They are now tenants at another venue where a similar, or identical transaction is in progress

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
My post was factitious, as it's exactly the same. They were tenants at the Ricoh when they claimed this investment was unlawful. They are now tenants at another venue where a similar, or identical transaction is in progress

But under different circumstance's, the money given to NTFC is to improve there Stadia and Facilities. The money given to ACL by the Council was used to pay off the debt to Yorkshire Bank.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
But under different circumstance's, the money given to NTFC is to improve there Stadia and Facilities. The money given to ACL by the Council was used to pay off the debt to Yorkshire Bank.

Oh come on, talk about semantics. The SISU JR criticised the CCC investment as: 'it is no part of the function of a local authority to interfere with the ownership and commercial operation of a local football club'.

Isn't paying to improve stadia and facilities (as you put it) playing a part in the 'commercial operation of a local football'?

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Oh come on, talk about semantics. The SISU JR criticised the CCC investment as: 'it is no part of the function of a local authority to interfere with the ownership and commercial operation of a local football club'.

Isn't paying to improve stadia and facilities (as you put it) playing a part in the 'commercial operation of a local football'?

You have said it yourself why SISU felt obliged to push for the JR. They felt threatened that the Football Club (in SISU's words), "ACL and the Council were seeking to unlawfully "wrest control" of the club away from Sisu companies as its legal and rightful owners".

Loaning x amount of money from a local council to improve facilities to a sporting organisation, is no way the same as ACL/CCC "allegedly" trying to wrest the club from SISU's control.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
You have said it yourself why SISU felt obliged to push for the JR. They felt threatened that the Football Club (in SISU's words), "ACL and the Council were seeking to unlawfully "wrest control" of the club away from Sisu companies as its legal and rightful owners".

Loaning x amount of money from a local council to improve facilities to a sporting organisation, is no way the same as ACL/CCC "allegedly" trying to wrest the club from SISU's control.

Again, no. It's cause and effect you're confusing. The loan from the council was the cause. To wrest control was the alleged effect. It's the cause the JR was all about, as that's the only basis for legal debate.

The causes are identical. It would appear that, for some reason, your trying to defend the indefensible here

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Again, no. It's cause and effect you're confusing. The loan from the council was the cause. To wrest control was the alleged effect. It's the cause the JR was all about, as that's the only basis for legal debate.

The effects are identical. It would appear that, for some reason, your trying to defend the indefensible here

I am not defending SISU if that's your implication I am defending however a loan given from a local Council to NTFC, but cannot understand why SISU would want to submit a JR against this? It has nothing to do with CCFC.

RPHunt · Aug 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
They felt threatened that the Football Club (in SISU's words), "ACL and the Council were seeking to unlawfully "wrest control" of the club away from Sisu companies as its legal and rightful owners".

I think most people, including the judge who made the decision, would struggle to explain how the Council paying off the remaining mortgage on the ground could be construed as seeking to wrest control of the club from its owners.

And as for 'it is no part of the function of a local authority to interfere with the ownership and commercial operation of a local football club' - since when has it been the function of a commercial operation to challenge how its landlord finances its property unless it has an ulterior motive?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
I am not defending SISU if that's your implication I am defending however a loan given from a local Council to NTFC, but cannot understand why SISU would want to submit a JR against this? It has nothing to do with CCFC.

SISU clearly complained about the ''function of a local authority to interfere with the ownership and commercial operation of a local football club" when they were tenants at the Ricoh. The same is clearly happening at the ground where they are new tenants. You're stating the basis of the legal challenge is different due to the basis of the loan. It's not. It's still influencing the commercial operation at Northampton, and therefore falls under the umbrella of activity SISU tried to rescind.

It appears like double standards from SISU. Why are you trying so hard to defend it by drawing gossamer thin distinctions that are irrelevant?

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
SISU clearly complained about the ''function of a local authority to interfere with the ownership and commercial operation of a local football club" when they were tenants at the Ricoh. The same is clearly happening at the ground where they are new tenants. You're stating the basis of the legal challenge is different due to the basis of the loan. It's not. It's still influencing the commercial operation at Northampton, and therefore falls under the umbrella of activity SISU tried to rescind.

It appears like double standards from SISU. Why are you trying so hard to defend it?

A reason as to why SISU won't challenge the NTFC decsion:

They're not trying to withold Monies from a company which could make them go bust which could leave the former with a chance to pick up a modern, communal Stadia and business for next to nothing.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
A reason as to why SISU won't challenge the NTFC decsion:

They're not trying to withold Monies from a company which could make them go bust which could leave the former with a chance to pick up a modern, communal Stadia and business for next to nothing.

And so we arrive at the conclusion I was pushing toward all the time. The legal basis is the same; but its an irrelevance to SISU because the legalities were never the issue. So it's hypocrisy, huh?

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 13, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
And so we arrive at the conclusion I was pushing toward all the time. The legal basis is the same; but its an irrelevance to SISU because the legalities were never the issue. So it's hypocrisy, huh?

It's not though, because was the loan given by CCC to ACL to improve there Stadia or Facilities? No. It was used to pay off debt there's a difference.

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