Nuneaton MP to raise CCFC home next season in Parliament (1 Viewer)

[Captain Dart]

Unfortunately, all this action from MPs is too little too late. Where were they when:

1. The heavily indebted club sold its home without a spade having gone in the ground at the new site nor any funding for its construction being secure
2. The heavily indebted club sold its stake in ACL for a paltry £2m (repaying debt to Derek Higgs et al should not be considered as part of the price)
3. The council forced ACL into a 50 year lease loaded with £21m debt
4. The club was forced into a takeover by SISU, with the express approval of the council due to the imposition of an arbitrary deadline by one Geoffrey Robinson
5. On the return of the club to the Ricoh, the council decided to sell the Ricoh to London Wasps rugby club despite the eminent threat to livelihood of both of the city's existing football and rugby clubs
6. Wasps rugby club leveraged the Arena with an even bigger debt to 3rd parties, ultimately putting to bed any lingering chance of CCFC (under new owners) realistically being able to buy into the stadium and assuring minimal investment in the site for the foreseeable future

That is MPs for you. But never mind the bollocks, how can the club get out of this mess?

 

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[Captain Dart]

If you got out more you would know.

Well it is not quite how I see it, but I think there was ultimately no negotiating with SISU so Ann Lucas after a year of trying said 'fuck it' and did a deal that screwed them.

One thing is certain there is a lot of hate for SISU, I hear it at the pub & the barbers & anywhere else where the conversation can easily turn to CCFC.

 

[italiahorse]

no, Italia is the unofficial spokesman for the whole populus of Coventry. If I'm right in m assumption he doesn't even live in the city then it's quite an achievement.

So the councillors who approved it got voted out ? Nope
Protests at council house ? Nope
City of Rugby objections ? Nope
Locals not attending Wasps games ? Nope

 

[chiefdave]

If you got out more you would know.

That's been the thing thats really surprised me since moving back to Cov. From posts on here I thought there was a general acceptance of them being here. Being in the city it turns out virtually everyone hates them. I've only spoken to one person in the city who thinks they should be here and I've yet to see anyone out and about wearing Wasps merchandise.

 

[clint van damme]

So the councillors who approved it got voted out ? Nope
Protests at council house ? Nope
City of Rugby objections ? Nope
Locals not attending Wasps games ? Nope

that's really a desperate and silly answer on your behalf.

 

[clint van damme]

I've yet to see anyone out and about wearing Wasps merchandise.

don't get complacent, stay tooled up, just in case!

 

[italiahorse]

that's really a desperate and silly answer on your behalf.

Just putting the facts out there.
Blind hatred of Wasps will not help our situation.
As I said, Wasps are now the solution not the problem.

 

[italiahorse]

That's been the thing thats really surprised me since moving back to Cov. From posts on here I thought there was a general acceptance of them being here. Being in the city it turns out virtually everyone hates them. I've only spoken to one person in the city who thinks they should be here and I've yet to see anyone out and about wearing Wasps merchandise.

Yes, keep believing that if it helps.

 

[italiahorse]

Well it is not quite how I see it, but I think there was ultimately no negotiating with SISU so Ann Lucas after a year of trying said 'fuck it' and did a deal that screwed them.

One thing is certain there is a lot of hate for SISU, I hear it at the pub & the barbers & anywhere else where the conversation can easily turn to CCFC.

We were screwed before the Wasps deal.
We are back home because Sisu got word the deal was happening.

 

[clint van damme]

Just putting the facts out there.
Blind hatred of Wasps will not help our situation.
As I said, Wasps are now the solution not the problem.

they're not facts.
People voting in councillors who allowed wasps to move into Coventry doesn't mean people agreed with it.

I can tell you now that most people in Coventry are ambivalent, the second biggest group hate wasps and those supporting wasps being here are in the minority.

 

[italiahorse]

Coventry ratepayers are more interested in the fact that the Ricoh is in use rather than who plays there. Most have no idea of our plight.

 

[Nick]

Coventry ratepayers are more interested in the fact that the Ricoh is in use rather than who plays there. Most have no idea of our plight.

Most have no idea that the Ricoh has anything to do with the ratepayer.

You say they have no idea about our "plight", yet you expect them to know the ins and outs of how it impacts the ratepayer?

 

[Nick]

I replied. You chose to ignore it. I explained how this is one step of many. You can if you choose to pay attention to how it’s evolved in Westminster and see a progression. It’s gone from one or two MP’s raising it in parliament to early day motions to being discussed in Parliament to who knows where. Maybe just maybe all parties will be asked to Parliament to explain themselves as has happened to Sports Direct, BHS and more recently Carillon personnel, surely (although probably not) even you would welcome that? Joy having a grilling and being asked some meaningful questions, Anne Lucas having a grilling and being asked some meaningful questions.

Thank god you wasn’t a woman in the time of the suffragette movement or a black person living in America during the civil rights movement. What’s the point would have been your response failing to realise that it wasn’t a single act that changed things it was a collective.

How is it progressing? The sports minister straight out said it was nothing to do with them and they couldn't do anything about it as it was a private matter.

If they can force joy, council, pwkh and everybody in to grill them then great. I still don't think they could force an agreement but if they could at least get some answers it would have done that. If it happens I am more than happy to be wrong.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Genuine question here. What is the actual benefit of our situation being discussed in Parliament. Surely government doesn't have the jurisdiction to intervene, but merely just give Joy a grilling?

 

[skybluetony176]

How is it progressing? The sports minister straight out said it was nothing to do with them and they couldn't do anything about it as it was a private matter.

If they can force joy, council, pwkh and everybody in to grill them then great. I still don't think they could force an agreement but if they could at least get some answers it would have done that. If it happens I am more than happy to be wrong.

It’s moved forward in Westminster, three times now. What’s your definition of progress? The sports minister was talking about the rent agreement specifically, not that they can’t hold people involved in what is a situation that has in part been allowed to happen because of the governance of the game. That’s what we need to progress to and that ain’t going to happen unless fans, fan groups, local MP’s or whoever put pressure on it happening. Your attitude is part of the problem that will allow a continuation of the status quo that not only effects our club and fans but football as a whole. You have a defeatist attitude that doesn’t serve CCFC. It’s people like you that people like the sports minister love, if we all had your attitude she could pretend that the problems have gone away and there’s nothing for her to fix, the EFL can go on pretending that they’re doing a good job, MP’s can pretend that they’re not failing their voters by addressing local issues etc etc and nothing changes. Like I said in an earlier post I wrote to my local MP asking him to support it, I’ve also advised others on here to do the same. My local MP is backing us, not saying it’s down to me, maybe he was going to back it anyway who knows. What I wasn’t going to do is what you’ve done, assume it won’t achieve anything and not bother. It’s really up to you Nick, you can either fight on any front for the future of our club in hope that it can achieve something or do as you have and take the lazy option, assume it won’t achieve anything and do fuck all but question what it will achieve. You have no idea what it could achieve.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

The square root of fuck all.

 

[Captain Dart]

Genuine question here. What is the actual benefit of our situation being discussed in Parliament. Surely government doesn't have the jurisdiction to intervene, but merely just give Joy a grilling?

Genuine question here. What is the actual benefit of our situation being ignored, forgotten and tolerated?

I think I know who the beneficiaries would be in such a circumstance and they would not include the fans of the club.

 

[Nick]

It’s moved forward in Westminster, three times now. What’s your definition of progress? The sports minister was talking about the rent agreement specifically, not that they can’t hold people involved in what is a situation that has in part been allowed to happen because of the governance of the game. That’s what we need to progress to and that ain’t going to happen unless fans, fan groups, local MP’s or whoever put pressure on it happening. Your attitude is part of the problem that will allow a continuation of the status quo that not only effects our club and fans but football as a whole. You have a defeatist attitude that doesn’t serve CCFC. It’s people like you that people like the sports minister love, if we all had your attitude she could pretend that the problems have gone away and there’s nothing for her to fix, the EFL can go on pretending that they’re doing a good job, MP’s can pretend that they’re not failing their voters by addressing local issues etc etc and nothing changes. Like I said in an earlier post I wrote to my local MP asking him to support it, I’ve also advised others on here to do the same. My local MP is backing us, not saying it’s down to me, maybe he was going to back it anyway who knows. What I wasn’t going to do is what you’ve done, assume it won’t achieve anything and not bother. It’s really up to you Nick, you can either fight on any front for the future of our club in hope that it can achieve something or do as you have and take the lazy option, assume it won’t achieve anything and do fuck all but question what it will achieve. You have no idea what it could achieve.

How has it moved forward? It was pretty much how I said it would play out in the first page.

I like how you make out it's just my attitude, there have been numerous posters who have also said it won't achieve anything in the thread with a mixture of views.

Fight on any front? It wasn't so long ago one of the parties going all out on this was encouraging away days only to put the club into admin to get the club handed to the fans. It's all well and good shaking hands with the Blackpool or Charlton fans and being best buddies but in reality it's done nothing and the EFL can't really do anything about it whether we like that or not.

What's wrong with asking what the plan for it is or what it will achieve?

 

[stevefloyd]

I farted outside today that went blowing in the wind too but at least it had an effect on the ozone layer so not totally wasted

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Genuine question here. What is the actual benefit of our situation being ignored, forgotten and tolerated?

I think I know who the beneficiaries would be in such a circumstance and they would not include the fans of the club.

My question was genuine as I'm interested to hear feedback from posters that have a better understanding of parliamentary procedure than me in a situation such as this.

But thanks for the sarcasm it really helped inform me.

 

[skybluetony176]

How has it moved forward? It was pretty much how I said it would play out in the first page.

I like how you make out it's just my attitude, there have been numerous posters who have also said it won't achieve anything in the thread with a mixture of views.

Fight on any front? It wasn't so long ago one of the parties going all out on this was encouraging away days only to put the club into admin to get the club handed to the fans. It's all well and good shaking hands with the blackpool or charlton fans and being best buddies but in reality it's done nothing and the EFL can't really do anything about it.

NICK IS NEVER WRONG! Thank god your attitude isn’t endemic of our fan base. We’d be going down without so much as a whimper. Remember who to thank if parties involved ever get held accountable for the things that have happened and continue to happen at our club. It will be in no way thanks to yourself. You’re welcome.

 

[Nick]

NICK IS NEVER WRONG! Thank god your attitude isn’t endemic of our fan base. We’d be going down without so much as a whimper. Remember who to thank if parties involved ever get held accountable for the things that have happened and continue to happen at our club. It will be in no way thanks to yourself. You’re welcome.

Again, you keep saying I am never wrong but what am I actually wrong about?

 

[skybluetony176]

My question was genuine as I'm interested to hear feedback from posters that have a better understanding of parliamentary procedure than me in a situation such as this.

But thanks for the sarcasm it really helped inform me.

TBF he was stating the obvious not being sarcastic.

 

[skybluetony176]

Again, you keep saying I am never wrong but what am I actually wrong about?

Everything pretty much.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

TBF he was stating the obvious not being sarcastic.

Fine he was being patronising so if anything that makes him even more of a knob. In what way is it obvious? I was asking if there was anything Parliment could do to help our cause?

 

[Nick]

Everything pretty much.

Like what?

My assessment of the start of the thread was pretty what happened.

 

[Captain Dart]

My question was genuine as I'm interested to hear feedback from posters that have a better understanding of parliamentary procedure than me in a situation such as this.

But thanks for the sarcasm it really helped inform me.

You're welcome.

 

[Captain Dart]

Again, you keep saying I am never wrong but what am I actually wrong about?

Nothing.

 

[skybluetony176]

Fine he was being patronising so if anything that makes him even more of a knob. In what way is it obvious? I was asking if there was anything Parliment could do to help our cause?

Don’t think he was being patronising either. The point is no one knows what it could achieve. The only certainty is that doing nothing will achieve nothing. We have to keep pushing it to see how far we can take it. It started out as a couple of MP’s raising it in Parliament, it then raised an EDM and now some local MP’s backed by various fans groups have secured parliamentary debate on us. Where that will lead is yet to be seen but there are options on how it could move forward but people have to be pushing it forward, people need to write to their MP’s if their MP’s aren’t contribution, we through fan groups need need to use our voice. Being lazy and criticising with one liners like what will it achieve achieves nothing, unless you’re one of the interested parties then it achieves letting them of the hook. I’m talking about all interested parties here not just our owners.

 

[skybluetony176]

Like what?

My assessment of the start of the thread was pretty what happened.

It hasn’t ended yet, it’s on going. You’ve predicted nothing because the outcome of these actions are not yet known and won’t be until it’s ran it’s course. You think you’re right about something that isn’t even spent. Where did you get your crystal ball from to be so certain of that?

 

[Nick]

It hasn’t ended yet, it’s on going. You’ve predicted nothing because the outcome of these actions are not yet known and won’t be until it’s ran it’s course. You think you’re right about something that isn’t even spent. Where did you get your crystal ball from to be so certain of that?

It did end, I was talking about in that session...

 

[skybluetony176]

It did end, I was talking about in that session...

Are you being deliberately stupid?

 

[Nick]

Are you being deliberately stupid?

It isn't hard to grasp is it? Are you struggling with reading again like last time?

I said in this thread about what would happen with this discussion / session. It's clear this discussion / session has ended.

If in a few months the football league is reformed off the back of it then I'd be wrong and pretty happy to say that I was wrong and say fair play. The same as I said if SISU suddenly go because of a Telegraph petition I'd also be wrong and happy to be so and send a crate of beer to the telegraph and other instances.

 

[skybluetony176]

It isn't hard to grasp is it? Are you struggling with reading again like last time?

I said in this thread about what would happen with this discussion / session. It's clear this discussion / session has ended.

If in a few months the football league is reformed off the back of it then I'd be wrong and pretty happy to say that I was wrong and say fair play. The same as I said if SISU suddenly go because of a Telegraph petition I'd also be wrong and happy to be so and send a crate of beer to the telegraph and other instances.

It really isn’t is it. You think it’s achieved nothing and the process hasn’t even finished yet, there’s plenty of places for this to go yet within Westminster but that will only happen if MP’s continue to push it and fans and fans groups push them. We’ve completed lap three the race is far from over and it’s an endurance race, you’ve retired to the pits without even completing a warm up lap. Leave the racing to those of us who are interested in doing it. You may as well go home, put your feet up, have a cup of tea and wait for it to blow over. Talk about a fickle fan, you’re the epitome of one. What a waste of oxygen you are.

 

[Nick]

It really isn’t is it. You think it’s achieved nothing and the process hasn’t even finished yet, there’s plenty of places for this to go yet within Westminster but that will only happen if MP’s continue to push it and fans and fans groups push them. We’ve completed lap three the race is far from over and it’s an endurance race, you’ve retired to the pits without even completing a warm up lap. Leave the racing to those of us who are interested in doing it. You may as well go home, put your feet up, have a cup of tea and wait for it to blow over. Talk about a fickle fan, you’re the epitome of one. What a waste of oxygen you are.

In which case it hasn't achieved anything has it? If it ever does then I will be wrong, as I have just said.

Is it the same running that was done around Haskell? Is it the same running that was done when Hoffman was using Michael as a front with his bids and rental deals? There seems to be a lot of running going on by the heroes but the reality of it is it's achieved the same as me going home and putting my feet up. If that ever changes then again I will be wrong and I will be the first to acknowledge that.