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  • Start date Dec 29, 2021
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Blind-Faith

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #141
After his miss late on against stoke which was easier to actually get on target, I’ve kind of just given up and accepted the fact he isn’t going to score goals for us.

It’s a fatal flaw in an otherwise brilliant football player, who does bring absolutely everything else to the team.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #142
larry_david said:
Aye but you know what I mean. Would you lay a grand on him scoring 3 goals between now and the end of the season? Honestly?
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No. I recognise his falabities, but I also recognise his strengths.
Something which his detractors either don't, or are incapable of due to their lack of understanding of the game.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #143
clint van damme said:
No. I recognise his falabities, but I also recognise his strengths.
Something which his detractors either don't, or are incapable of due to their lack of understanding of the game.
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Score goals win games create chances basic stuff clinty lad
 

larry_david

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #144
clint van damme said:
No. I recognise his falabities, but I also recognise his strengths.
Something which his detractors either don't, or are incapable of due to their lack of understanding of the game.
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Yep and as I've said. I know what he brings to the table.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #145
cc84cov said:
Why hasn’t anyone came in for O’Hare this window ?
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Who says they haven't?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #146
cc84cov said:
Score goals win games create chances basic stuff clinty lad
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You're struggling now, call it a night.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #147
Some people need to be careful what they wish for .. I've seen this story so many times before as a city fan
 
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letsallsingtogether

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #148
fatso said:
Who is everyone else?
Even Shipley has matched O'hare's goal tally!
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Yes but Shipley is our top scoring midfielder in over 10 years.
Who would believe that.
 
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SkyBlueSam01

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #149
Give O'Hare Shipley's ball striking ability and you have a high-end europa league player.

How about that.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #150
SkyBlueSam01 said:
Give O'Hare Shipley's ball striking ability and you have a high-end europa league player.

How about that.
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Then why has Shipley missed 5/6 huge chances in the last two weeks?

His scuff in the box today was as bad if not worse than any O'Hare miss for a long, long time.
 
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SheafIsGod

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #151
SkyBlueSam01 said:
Give O'Hare Shipley's ball striking ability and you have a high-end europa league player.

How about that.
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No because he still panics within 30 yards of goal and can’t play a final ball. He has no composure.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #152
For the O'Hare naysayers. If you were Robins, who would you replace him with in our squad?

We've seen Shipley can't do that role, we've seen that Allen can't do it either.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #153
pusbccfc said:
For the O'Hare naysayers. If you were Robins, who would you replace him with in our squad?

We've seen Shipley can't do that role, we've seen that Allen can't do it either.
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Every argument and debate on this and other ‘what can the manager do’ talk comes down to him needing support he won’t get while fans go ‘happy to be here’. Aim for 21st then better make sure you get it.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #154
I see CC84 sneaked a can of red bull out his parents fridge tonight
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #155
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Every argument and debate on this and other ‘what can the manager do’ talk comes down to him needing support he won’t get while fans go ‘happy to be here’. Aim for 21st then better make sure you get it.
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What do you mean?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #156
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Every argument and debate on this and other ‘what can the manager do’ talk comes down to him needing support he won’t get while fans go ‘happy to be here’. Aim for 21st then better make sure you get it.
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Blaming the fans for the board not investing
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #157
Ccfcisparks said:
Blaming the fans for the board not investing
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Clueless
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #158
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Clueless
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Is that not what you are saying
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #159
pusbccfc said:
What do you mean?
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He’ll get a pittance every window, Boddy will trot some stuff out about Stoke and people will shrug their shoulders when we’re again equipped with a skeleton crew of a squad.

Let’s be honest, the form since the first dozen games has gone to a point a game.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #160
Ccfcisparks said:
Is that not what you are saying
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Not whatsoever. Just laughable really
 

pusbccfc

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #161
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He’ll get a pittance every window, Boddy will trot some stuff out about Stoke and people will shrug their shoulders when we’re again equipped with a skeleton crew of a squad.

Let’s be honest, the form since the first dozen games has gone to a point a game.
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Wasn't really my point mate. I was asking people who they'd replace O'Hare with in our squad because there are plenty in this squad who think we already have better alternatives.
 

Marty

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #162
I like O'Hare, busy, works hard, creates chances, draws plenty of fouls (i.e. relieves pressure, wins free kicks in dangerous areas, etc.) but he has glaring problems with his game, has zero composure, can't finish for shit & always seems to miss hit balls he should be pinging about. He'll never go on to play in the prem (unless we fluke a promotion) until he makes massive strides in his game. Younger, better players available, they'll cost more, yes, but they have a far better chance of making an impact at a higher level. Realistically, I think he's another we'll leave behind as we progress (just like Dabo).

We lack goals throughout the side, and putting it all on O'Hare is a little unfair despite all the chances he fluffs. All the CB's are guilty of missing clear cut headers (e.g. Hyam, 3 in 1 game against Huddersfield). The CM midfielders don't really add anything either.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #163
pusbccfc said:
Wasn't really my point mate. I was asking people who they'd replace O'Hare with in our squad because there are plenty in this squad who think we already have better alternatives.
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There isn’t anyone. Chris Wilder can call on Balogun to unlock a defence-all Robins can do is alternate between one and two up front.

He needs funds
 

pusbccfc

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #164
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There isn’t anyone. Chris Wilder can call on Balogun to unlock a defence-all Robins can do is alternate between one and two up front.

He needs funds
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Absolutely agree. We should have someone to play alongside or even push O'Hare for that position.

Unfortunately due to our constraints, we had to gamble on a live wire called Bright.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #165
pusbccfc said:
Absolutely agree. We should have someone to play alongside or even push O'Hare for that position.

Unfortunately due to our constraints, we had to gamble on a live wire called Bright.
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We’re going to have this problem pretty much every season in one position or another. What’s so frustrating here is you can see how close we are, you can see what we’re missing and it isn’t much but it’s costing us.

I haven’t seen us outplayed in a good while. I have seen us lose against the ‘good’ sides despite them looking very average or just poor on the day, pretty much all because we have no cutting edge.
 
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larry_david

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #166
Our squad had two glaring weak spots. Lwb permanent/cover for maatson. And an AM to replace, rest,rotate with o hare.

We've address one (will see how that goes) but will we address the other. Allen, Shipley are not the answer. Is JJ? Probably not so it's going to have to be we put up with it and o hare starts getting clinical or we wait til someone externally is brought in.
 
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larry_david

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #167
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We’re going to have this problem pretty much every season in one position or another. What’s so frustrating here is you can see how close we are, you can see what we’re missing and it isn’t much but it’s costing us.

I haven’t seen us outplayed in a good while. I have seen us lose against the ‘good’ sides despite them looking very average or just poor on the day, pretty much all because we have no cutting edge.
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And this is why I'm getting frustrated and ranting on here about o hare. I've been to 6 away games this season and we've won 1, Hull. The others we've battered Barnsley, Blackburn, sheff utd, hudds and now boro and we've got 3 points. The amount of misses in those games combined are enough to win 15 games
 
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cc84cov

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #168
Ccfcisparks said:
I see CC84 sneaked a can of red bull out his parents fridge tonight
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I’ve set a few more off on here also I see just popped back on for a nose

Anyway Shipley is better than O’Hare & Bayliss so there
 
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larry_david

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #169
Oh and it's not all o hare.
Gyok pen Barnsley
Allen numerous chances
Hyam vs Huddersfield.
O hare vs Huddersfield
Gyok refuses to shoot when he rounded the keeper and Blackburn then getting sythed down
Sheaf today through one on one and trying to cut back past the defender
Shipley today
Jcs today. These are all glorious opportunities spurned. Law of averages says it can't keep happening, can it?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #170
larry_david said:
Oh and it's not all o hare.
Gyok pen Barnsley
Allen numerous chances
Hyam vs Huddersfield.
O hare vs Huddersfield
Gyok refuses to shoot when he rounded the keeper and Blackburn then getting sythed down
Sheaf today through one on one and trying to cut back past the defender
Shipley today
Jcs today. These are all glorious opportunities spurned. Law of averages says it can't keep happening, can it?
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It’s a question of quality and not much else
 

Perryccfc

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  • Jan 29, 2022
  • #171
You’re a fucking muppet mate. I cannot wait for the ‘humble pie’ post from you in the future. Sure I saw the same thing about Sheaf from you, and possibly Moore?
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jan 30, 2022
  • #172
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We’re going to have this problem pretty much every season in one position or another. What’s so frustrating here is you can see how close we are, you can see what we’re missing and it isn’t much but it’s costing us.

I haven’t seen us outplayed in a good while. I have seen us lose against the ‘good’ sides despite them looking very average or just poor on the day, pretty much all because we have no cutting edge.
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The thing is the 'good sides' are more established than we are, we have a shite budget and are competing with the good sides but every time we play these good sides their quality is there for all to see BUT we still manage to compete and thats down to Robins and his team how they have assembled this squad, yes we could do with upgrades but that takes time and more importantly money, remember only a few years back we were on our arse so IF we keep improving by getting lucky with a couple more players and our illustrious owners decide to invest and we keep hold of a good management team we get to the promised land. Not a knock at your reply just a continuation
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 30, 2022
  • #173
stevefloyd said:
The thing is the 'good sides' are more established than we are, we have a shite budget and are competing with the good sides but every time we play these good sides their quality is there for all to see BUT we still manage to compete and thats down to Robins and his team how they have assembled this squad, yes we could do with upgrades but that takes time and more importantly money, remember only a few years back we were on our arse so IF we keep improving by getting lucky with a couple more players and our illustrious owners decide to invest and we keep hold of a good management team we get to the promised land. Not a knock at your reply just a continuation
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The owners are not going to invest a penny and much the opposite, they’re going to help themselves as and when a player goes for a big fee. Robins is delivering mid table on a basement budget, give him a middling one and we turn games like yesterday into the heavy wins they should be.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Jan 30, 2022
  • #174
Perryccfc said:
You’re a fucking muppet mate. I cannot wait for the ‘humble pie’ post from you in the future. Sure I saw the same thing about Sheaf from you, and possibly Moore?
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There are a number of Simon Moore, that was before he even played a match & Ben Sheaf in particular knockers on here very quiet at the moment, questioning wasting £750k on him, he’s probably worth five times worth that now.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jan 30, 2022
  • #175
Marty said:
I like O'Hare, busy, works hard, creates chances, draws plenty of fouls (i.e. relieves pressure, wins free kicks in dangerous areas, etc.) but he has glaring problems with his game, has zero composure, can't finish for shit & always seems to miss hit balls he should be pinging about. He'll never go on to play in the prem (unless we fluke a promotion) until he makes massive strides in his game. Younger, better players available, they'll cost more, yes, but they have a far better chance of making an impact at a higher level. Realistically, I think he's another we'll leave behind as we progress (just like Dabo).

We lack goals throughout the side, and putting it all on O'Hare is a little unfair despite all the chances he fluffs. All the CB's are guilty of missing clear cut headers (e.g. Hyam, 3 in 1 game against Huddersfield). The CM midfielders don't really add anything either.
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Good post. O’hare is an excellent technical footballer. Works hard as well and very pleasing on the eye and you do understand if you seen him for the first time why you would think he is a very good footballer. However, his lack of composure under pressure is a concern (finishing and final delivery for example)

There is no doubt that the coaches will be working on this with o’hare and Allen but it’s just not a strength on theirs and unfortunately there could be a time sadly where we move on as a club. It’s up to them but at this present time they warrant a place in that team as they work the system well and we have no other options. We are where we are.

I don’t think the scouts at other clubs would be banging their managers doors down to pursue o’hare. If they were after an attacking midfielder they would be looking at the big picture of assists and goals over his career and at present it’s not great.

I do wonder with O’hare if another manager would continue on this course?
 
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