Offside law change (2 Viewers)

[Fergusons_Beard]

Won’t affect us until 2022 but Wenger proposing a ‘daylight’ Offside law change.

Common sense in football-bloody hell!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www...ses-changes-to-offside-law-ahead-of-euro-2020


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[Dimi_Konstantflapalot]

As much as I like Wenger and this sounds like it will solve everything, practically speaking I think it's a rubbish proposal.

Completely changes the basic art of defending and also makes it harder for the linesman trying to judge offside initially. Also still doesn't tackle the issue that there is a very fine margin when it comes to VAR, you're essentially just drawing the line in a different place

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

As much as I like Wenger and this sounds like it will solve everything, practically speaking I think it's a rubbish proposal.

Completely changes the basic art of defending and also makes it harder for the linesman trying to judge offside initially. Also still doesn't tackle the issue that there is a very fine margin when it comes to VAR, you're essentially just drawing the line in a different place

Yep I’m interested that football have pretty much decided that they want to keep the mistakes pre var. The wolves manager was crazy the other day talking about the offside goal and the commentators don’t help.
The crap assistant referees have taken for getting minuscule calls wrong on offsides will never happen again under var but football has decided it’s not interested in the correct decision but more goals

I think they need to do something more radical like get rid of the rule outside the box or outside the 6 yard box or something like that. Not that though cos that would be crazy.

The rule everyone thought would sort it was the benefit of the doubt which is pretty much what Wenger is suggesting. It didn’t cause everyone said they wanted accurate decisions. Goal line technology is great. The rest is all down to greed

 

[Tommo1993]

Matty Godden likes this.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

This is all ridiculous.

You're either offside or you're not, and now that they have a way to show with absolute precision whether you are offside or not, they still don't like it.

'football people' just don't like change, and VAR is also a ready made excuse for them, like Lampard saying "VAR was the reason all the fans left at 0-2", deflection and excuses.

 

[usskyblue]

Football went up its own arse with VAR and offsides being decided by fucking millimeters.

 

[Briles]

I agree with the daylight rule been saying it for ages.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The existing rules are fine but the problem is not allowing some degree of tolerance as they have in cricket. The Italian clubs’ proposal for a ‘challenge’ system seems most appealing and if somebody is offside by 1 mm then a goal should still stand as there will be some margin of error in the technology.

The current rules aren’t the problem

 

[hill83]

Just do it like in sunday league.

Fat lad for the dog & duck who never gets a game is the lino on one side. Star strikers dad for the knob & jockey is the lino on the other side.
Everything is offside first half, nothing is offside second half.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The existing rules are fine but the problem is not allowing some degree of tolerance as they have in cricket. The Italian clubs’ proposal for a ‘challenge’ system seems most appealing and if somebody is offside by 1 mm then a goal should still stand as there will be some margin of error in the technology.

The current rules aren’t the problem

Yeah ok that’s not a bad shout!
Tolerance of an agreed distance is a good idea

 

[chiefdave]

You're either offside or you're not, and now that they have a way to show with absolute precision whether you are offside or not, they still don't like it.

Except it isn't precise. There's a significant margin of error. The cameras are running at 50fps so if a player is running at around 15mph there's a margin of error well over 10cm.

You've also got the issue of exactly when the ball is being played. Is it when the foot first makes contact with the ball or when the ball is no longer in contact with the foot? When you're talking such fine margins its an important distinction, but again the tech is not good enough to be that accurate.

And on top of all that you've got the issue of the parallax angle which means unless you've got camera's locked off covering every mm of the touchline you can't be certain.

To me its simple. Use 'umpires call' as in cricket. Anything but a very obvious error stays with the onfield call. And it should be the ref reviewing any VAR not somebody miles away.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Except it isn't precise. There's a significant margin of error. The cameras are running at 50fps so if a player is running at around 15mph there's a margin of error well over 10cm.

You've also got the issue of exactly when the ball is being played. Is it when the foot first makes contact with the ball or when the ball is no longer in contact with the foot? When you're talking such fine margins its an important distinction, but again the tech is not good enough to be that accurate.

And on top of all that you've got the issue of the parallax angle which means unless you've got camera's locked off covering every mm of the touchline you can't be certain.

So it has to have a bit of wriggle room doesn’t it!! And that’s a little remiss of those in power at the fa not ensuring that’s what was done from the start

 

[Liquid Gold]

I like it in theory but there are errors just running the other way. If a striker is sprinting at full speed and his trailing leg is level with the defender but there is daylight between them he'd still be onside in this. that doesn't sit right as he isn't level. Should be level with daylight, decision not made within 20 seconds then ref's decision stands.

 

[Dimi_Konstantflapalot]

Except it isn't precise. There's a significant margin of error. The cameras are running at 50fps so if a player is running at around 15mph there's a margin of error well over 10cm.

You've also got the issue of exactly when the ball is being played. Is it when the foot first makes contact with the ball or when the ball is no longer in contact with the foot? When you're talking such fine margins its an important distinction, but again the tech is not good enough to be that accurate.

And on top of all that you've got the issue of the parallax angle which means unless you've got camera's locked off covering every mm of the touchline you can't be certain.

To me its simple. Use 'umpires call' as in cricket. Anything but a very obvious error stays with the onfield call. And it should be the ref reviewing any VAR not somebody miles away.

Agree, a combination of the challenge system and "umpires call" is the only way forward.

Umpires call used for offsides deemed to be marginal, with an agreed margin of error to account for the technology

Also give both captains 1 challenge per half or something like that, to refer non-offside decisions to VAR

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

As much as I like Wenger and this sounds like it will solve everything, practically speaking I think it's a rubbish proposal.

Completely changes the basic art of defending and also makes it harder for the linesman trying to judge offside initially. Also still doesn't tackle the issue that there is a very fine margin when it comes to VAR, you're essentially just drawing the line in a different place

I agree with this, its the same with 10mm wiggle room. Either way they are going to be measuring one point against another using those stupid line drawings. I'm 100% behind goal line technology as that takes no time at all and has little to no impact on the game.

As for VAR, keep it all on the field, if there is a potential offside, the ref goes to the onscreen monitor. If he can't clearly see an offside, then it counts. This has to be one benefit about playing in league one, none of this VAR bullsh*t.

I know I'm grossly oversimplifying but why not get rid of linesmen and just use var?

 

[Orca]

I don't actually think VAR is the problem here. The law is. the way the offside law is written means that if any part of the body that can score a goal is offside, you're offside. It's a binary decision, you either are or you're not.

So, change the law. Wenger's proposal is fine and actually Souness put a similar suggestion when punditing the other week. As was pointed out about, the technology isn't flawless, so the law should reflect this. My personal view is that it should be based on there being daylight between the attacking and defending player's sternum as it could be much more easily seen by the naked eye and would require much less 'drawing of lines' or checking armpits and the like. It would also have the advantage of giving the on field assistant a better chance of getting it right.

 

[Orca]

I know I'm grossly oversimplifying but why not get rid of linesmen and just use var?

You are ;-). I don't want to be waiting 30 seconds to decide on a throw-in being one way or another! On a serious note, referees are told to run a diagonal line between the right back areas on the pitch and let the assistants help them in the left back areas

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don't actually think VAR is the problem here. The law is. the way the offside law is written means that if any part of the body that can score a goal is offside, you're offside. It's a binary decision, you either are or you're not.

So, change the law. Wenger's proposal is fine and actually Souness put a similar suggestion when punditing the other week. As was pointed out about, the technology isn't flawless, so the law should reflect this. My personal view is that it should be based on there being daylight between the attacking and defending player's sternum as it could be much more easily seen by the naked eye and would require much less 'drawing of lines' or checking armpits and the like. It would also have the advantage of giving the on field assistant a better chance of getting it right.

It’s not any part orca. The arms don’t count

 

[Liquid Gold]

Is there a reason why there isn't a camera running along the roof of the stand that stays in line with the last defender?

 

[usskyblue]

Mistakes are part of sport ffs. Games are won and lost by players making errors. I don’t know why we expect officials to be any different.

The flow of the game gets fucked by having to stop while people study VAR footage for millimeter decisions. It’s fucking ridiculous in my opinion.

 

[Orca]

It’s not any part orca. The arms don’t count

That's why I said "any part of the body that can score a goal"

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Mistakes are part of sport ffs. Games are won and lost by players making errors. I don’t know why we expect officials to be any different.

The flow of the game gets fucked by having to stop while people study VAR footage for millimeter decisions. It’s fucking ridiculous in my opinion.

Speak your mind mate come on off the fence

 

[King of the Lesbians]

Just bin the offside rule completely...

 

[vow]

Football went up its own arse with VAR and offsides being decided by fucking millimeters.

millimetres ffs

 

[usskyblue]

millimetres ffs

 

[covcity4life]

Good news

An inch advantage with your toe is not rly an advantage. Always proposed dayliggt rule myself

Too many goals being ruled out

Var isnt the problem the offside rule is

 

[David O'Day]

Utter bullshit rule.

 

[speedie87]

Offside should just be based on someones torso not feet which would get rid of these offsides based on a trailing foot

 

[Johnnythespider]

Obvious flaw in this daylight rule, what we going to do at night matches ?

 

[Covstu]

Isn’t it all relative, surely we will be having the same arguments around was there or wasn’t there ‘daylight’ between the attacker and defender. We wanted accuracy we got it and now we don’t like it so we are creating rules to get round this, it’s crazy!

 

[ccfcway]

Mistakes are part of sport ffs. Games are won and lost by players making errors. I don’t know why we expect officials to be any different.

The flow of the game gets fucked by having to stop while people study VAR footage for millimeter decisions. It’s fucking ridiculous in my opinion.

agree. Outside of “is it over the line” all’s, Ref should make a call on the decision: at his request there should be one replay of it on the big screen and if it’s not clear that his call was wrong, his call stands.

 

[PurpleBin]

VAR should check and if not immediately obvious to the eye then play on/give the goal.

 

[PurpleBin]

Good news

An inch advantage with your toe is not rly an advantage. Always proposed dayliggt rule myself

Too many goals being ruled out

Var isnt the problem the offside rule is

I think daylight is ambiguous though. Daylight, 10cm or whatever is a HUGE advantage to someone like Aguero.

 

[Orca]

I think daylight is ambiguous though. Daylight, 10cm or whatever is a HUGE advantage to someone like Aguero.

Agreed, although if you limit it to the chest of the player being offside, it becomes less ambiguous as it's focussed on one place.

 

[wingy]

Obvious flaw in this daylight rule, what we going to do at night matches ?[/QUOTE

;its always daytime somewhere, play wherever that is,?