Oh Jeremy Corbyn

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  1. Sick Boy

    Sick Boy Well-Known Member

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    He is an utter arsehole and is only out to gain attention. He is a very strange person. Without wanting to risk the wrath of Grendel for speaking about real life but I know people who knew him personally as classmates and as a teacher during his time spent at a sixth form college in Leicester.

    He went by the name of Milo Wargner (changed by deed poll) then. I'm sure you can guess why.
     
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  2. skybluegod

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    Yes and he admits that?
    He has openly said that he says what he does, to piss off people, and that if people hate him all they need to do is stop reacting to it and he will be out of a job.
    He is incredibly good at what he does. A prick yes. But an intelligent one.
     
  3. skybluegod

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    Just listened to Dominic Raab in Sunday politics, think he spoke quite well, dodged a couple questions, which you would expect, but think he came across very positive, like a lot of recent talk coming from the government is coming.
    They are trying to push the conservative leadership topic quite hard, but he again said he was behind May, and that he didn’t want to be involved.
     
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    Yes he was mentioned on LBC also recently. Positive brexit man. Just the ticket in my opinion. He realizes what a golden opportunity this is or can be. If someone can take their head out the newspaper to understand this is a golden ticket brexit is. If in the right hands
     
  5. clint van damme

    clint van damme Well-Known Member

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    he wants to privatise the NHS, I just don't think people realise what's going to happen when that falls into the hands of American private insurance companies.
     
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    Privatisation of the NHS will never happen
     
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    I really hope you're right.
     
  8. skybluegod

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    Yeah, he said that, the media put all the negative stuff about brexit under the microscope, but never talk about the opportunity it could provide us, and the positives steps that have been taken forward.
    He even said no deal is an option still, and that it would hurt europe just as bad, and that they expected these first few months of hard ball.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. A brexit mp forget who now posted that he BBC for example have in their news outlets posted 94% bad news on brexit and 6% good. It's certainly more a level playing field than that and tbf you rarely hear of the good news that has happened since brexit. Yes there has been plenty.

    No deal is bad for both sides. the difference is it's worse for the EU for the simple reason they sell us a hell of a lot more than we sell them. Simple plain fact.
     
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    Genuinely didn't know that. I don't want to privatize the NHS. I would maybe have to reconsider him but as Grendel says is it that likely? The nhs is the one main glue that is our backbone of Britain and the envy of the world. America for example.

    I don't agree with mogg on his abortion stance as we have discussed but what are the chances of finding someone I agree on everything on. None.
     
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    The NHS is a football kicked around by both parties. It will and can never be privatised as it's incapable of making any return which the right wing are aware of. It's a loss making, wasteful disaster which could be improved by private management ethos that the left know.

    The political hot potato means neither will come together and the consequence is the patients suffer.

    It needs a sensible discussion across both parties - it won't happen
     
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    spoken like someone who never has, or can't empathise with anyone who has had to not only deal with a family member who has a serious illness but then also having the stress of paying for it.
     
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    I've had plenty with serious illnesses and in the case of a very serious possible illness chose the diagnosis route through the NHS over using health insurance as it was as quick with a far more experienced surgeon.
     
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    If you can afford it fair enough but not everyone can afford the prohibitive costs of private health care. 5 figures for a family in the US, and even then you're not guaranteed all costs will be covered.
    Yes the NHS has many issues but they can be fixed. There was a great interview with a surgeon on John Pienaar a few weeks back talking about what is needed and he concurred that it wasn't just spending more money but spending current budgets wisely.

    Going down the American route doesn't bear thinking about and let's be honest, there is only one countries insurance companies that we'd be selling it off to.
     
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    You do realise that surgeons do both public and private work
     
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    Dependent on which scheme you pay into. You can only see the ones they have listed on their books I believe, hence, there may be more experienced surgeons not available to you.
     
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    Attempted Coup fizzled out very quickly, suggests there is less of a divide than people had made out. A lot of big conservative players, seem to have fell in line and thrown their support behind May. May has also suggested she will demote Boris if anything else goes on.
     
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    If she had any power he would already be gone. It won't he long until the united fron us showing cracks again.
     
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    'If she had any power' really? She is the PM if she wants him out the Cabinet he's out it really is that simple.Even if you are right doesn't the saying go. 'Keep your friends close and your Enemies closer'
    The 'cracks' as you put it are coming from backbenchers, and people in no position of power really. All of the big players have backed her, Boris, Hammond, Rudd, Davidson and Fox.
    Shapps was soon put in place, as they gathered such little support by going public. Think a lot of the party have realised it's not the time for a leadership contest, with Labour on the rise, and there is need to get the brexit process moving. I'm sure the news will suggest there is still stuff going on, but I don't see anything happening for the foreseeable future.
     
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    A lot of the destabilising has been due to Johnson and his undermining of her in public.
     
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    Again if she saw him as a threat she would just get rid of him. It’s clear the whole they can’t all agree, but it would be scary if they did. But they have all supported her in public as well, but it’s funny how people ignore that for any whiff of the fact that they can’t all agree.
     
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    In that instance the PHI hospital didn't use the same surgeon.
     
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    She is too weak to get rid of him!! Of course they are going to be supportive in public, oh, apart from Johnson's blatant challenge to her authority.
     
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    Or maybe she sees him as useful? And is strong enough not to bow to public power?
    What blatant challenge?
     
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    It has been all over the media following her speech the other week. He would have been sacked if she was in a position of power.
     
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    No you said blatant challenge for power... that would be him standing up and saying ‘I want to be PM’, just because labour and the media have hyped everything up, doesn’t make it blatant.
    All you keep doing is making the same point without any substance...
    she’s the PM, her cabinet is her cabinet, if she wanted him gone he would be gone, i can’t say it any simpler than that ;)
     
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    He isn't just going to come out and say "I want to be PM". He has directly and publically challenged her authority. No doubt you believe she is a strong and stable leader as well.
     
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    No, because if you look at my posts, I have said I don’t particularly like her, and I think she has made mistakes.
    I am just getting sick of all the bull labour and the news are spinning out. It’s boring now. And then they complain about the lack of progress with brexit, well stop stirring the fucking pot and let them get on with it.
    Boris hasn’t directly challenged her, he’s given his view on subjects, which people see as a challenge.
     
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    that is very naïve mate, the history of politics is littered with people plotting behind their leaders back who couldn't be got rid of. This is a good article which I'm sure will be dismissed by some on here because it's the Guardian but it's worth a read:

    Outrageous good fortune smiles once again on Theresa May | Andrew Rawnsley
     
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    Every situation is unique, and it is clear if someone like Boris did rebel that the party would split and a leadership election would be even more likely!
    If they all just fall in line, especially now when she is at her weakest then the opportunity is going to pass.

    The Gaurdian is actually my paper of choice, but it is largely left wing, so I have taken to not reading into what they say on politics, as I hate a biased piece. No doubt as the journalist says though that May is lucky.

    But would disagree about the unneeded general election, what she did was a smart play on paper. Her execution was horrible. Labour was in disarray and conservatives where in the ascendancy, but as is well documented she didn’t fight for it. She didn’t push her campaign enough, and let Corbyn gain followers, as he came out with a positive message.
     
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    Really? That is was a poor decision is probably one of the few thing that those on the left and the right agree on.
    Edit to say it was certainly an expensive one given the money she had to bung the DUP.
     
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    It was a poor decision in hindsight yes that I agree on.
    But if she had fought the election like normal, and tried to fight for voters rather than the ‘strong and stable’ message and gain a greater majority it would have been a great move. A clear majority and an easier way to pass the laws/ agreements for brexit.
     
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    It won't happen to acute hospitals and increasingly less for community services as commercial providers are realising that they cannot make a profit out of a service where the budget is limited and they have limited means to control the demand for services. That said, the reality is the NHS has always had significant private operators, as in all GP practices.
     
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    My main fear is a US style insurance system. I know you work either in or with the NHS and have a good knowledge of it's workings so it's good to hear you think that's not realistic.
     

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