Oh Jeremy Corbyn (2 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Amazing how you always have a personal story to tell to suit your argument even if it contradicts actual research on the subject

Forgive me if I go with the research.

The research says one factor for going is a feeling of unity and comradeship as many users are lonely and without contact and routines - so I'm surprised it was depressing.

The only foodbanks I contribute to are to animal sanctuarys.

As usual you are completely out of touch with reality and devoid of any empathy and compassion. I'd stick to your horses and donkeys if I were you.

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Well the solution of getting rid of zero hour contracts and driving up minimum wage will almost certainly mean less jobs, and higher unemployment?

What bollocks

 

[Grendel]

As usual you are completely out of touch with reality and devoid of any empathy and compassion. I'd stick to your horses and donkeys if I were you.

The research suggests you are wrong and yes I will as they haven't the capacity to improve their lives through their own self will. Humans do.

 

[clint van damme]

Amazing how you always have a personal story to tell to suit your argument even if it contradicts actual research on the subject

Forgive me if I go with the research.

The research says one factor for going is a feeling of unity and comradeship as many users are lonely and without contact and routines - so I'm surprised it was depressing.

The only foodbanks I contribute to are to animal sanctuarys.

I've done a little bit as well and in my experience I have to concur with what Sickboy has said.

 

[Grendel]

I've done a little bit as well and in my experience I have to concur with what Sickboy has said.

Can you post a link?

 

[mrtrench]

What bollocks

Just basic supply and demand. Increase the price of a commodity and all other things being equal, demand reduces.

 

[clint van damme]

Can you post a link?

to what, the foodbank?

 

[Grendel]

to what, the foodbank?

So it's anecdotal not actual research?

 

[Sick Boy]

So it's anecdotal not actual research?

'LOL'

 

[skybluegod]

this country managed perfectly well without zero hour contracts before they came along, it's just exploitation.

Times change, and population is continually rising. More people looking for jobs than there were a couple decades ago. Also take into account more jobs going to machinery...

 

[skybluegod]

Why ?

What do you mean why?

 

[Grendel]

'LOL'

That's a yes then.

 

[clint van damme]

So it's anecdotal not actual research?

yes, I didn't claim anything else.

 

[Ashdown]

I've done a little bit as well and in my experience I have to concur with what Sickboy has said.

You always do you bosom buddies !

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just basic supply and demand. Increase the price of a commodity and all other things being equal, demand reduces.

ZHC could cover multiple people apparently 'employed' but in what amounts to less full time equivalent posts than there are people.

So, how would getting rid of ZHC actually lead to a genuine rise in unemployment? If somebody is on a ZHC working on average 16 hours or less a week, they are essentially unemployed for the purpose of claiming dole.

 

[Sick Boy]

You always do you bosom buddies !

I was once accused of being Grendel!

 

[skybluetony176]

I don’t take that much home, but the fact that you take home only 60% of what you earn if you did earn 200,000, is ridiculous imo. I don’t see how it is fair and equal. That if you earn more you pay more.
I like the idea of a set rate for everybody, over a certain amount, it may not be financially viable but I don’t think it’s fair. But that’s my opinion and not everybody will agree.

Tbh I hate comparing countries, as it’s like comparing people. Not every country is the same and there are always so many different variables.

I just think punishing the people that have worked so hard to get to where they are puts some people off pushing themselves to the next level, which in itself harms quality of life... it might not be many. But still.

No you don’t get bonus points for paying more tax ofc not.

And yes I agree we do need a rethink of our tax system.
I think there is a ridiculous stat that if everybody in England paid £3 a year towards the NHS, then the huge financial crisis they are going through would be solved.

Sorry you don't get paid that much seriously though I'd never begrudge anyone the wages they earn but equally I'd never feel sorry for the taxes they have to pay either.

I accept that comparing countries can be difficult, for instance more people live in London than live in Denmark so it's a lot more efficient to govern than the UK but on the basic principle at its most basic level it does demonstrate how paying taxes shouldn't feel like a chore. The Danes aren't that different from Brits in most respects other than they don't mind paying more taxes for good social standards.

 

[skybluegod]

My experience of working with people on zero hour contracts, is that they are happy like that. They are often demotivated and don’t wish to work a lot of hours. This is just my experience from during my RN application. But I held 3 0 hour contract roles during that time and only 3 members of staff (not including management) wanted or had more than 30 hours a week

 

[skybluegod]

Sorry you don't get paid that much seriously though I'd never begrudge anyone the wages they earn but equally I'd never feel sorry for the taxes they have to pay either.

I accept that comparing countries can be difficult, for instance more people live in London than live in Denmark so it's a lot more efficient to govern than the UK but on the basic principle at its most basic level it does demonstrate how paying taxes shouldn't feel like a chore. The Danes aren't that different from Brits in most respects other than they don't mind paying more taxes for good social standards.

Haha I’m sorry too i’d join the Hoffman fans for buying Coventry if I was!!!!

Yeah no I get that and fair enough, and i’ll Be honest I don’t know a lot about the Danish tax system, and I have no problem with paying tax as I say. But I think from what you are saying in general it’s a much fairer society.
Whereas here you can have people on benefits who earn more than someone who works 2 jobs. It’s ridiculous.

 

[mrtrench]

ZHC could cover multiple people apparently 'employed' but in what amounts to less full time equivalent posts than there are people.

So, how would getting rid of ZHC actually lead to a genuine rise in unemployment? If somebody is on a ZHC working on average 16 hours or less a week, they are essentially unemployed for the purpose of claiming dole.

I was mostly referring to increasing the minimum wage.

Although labour uses zhc as another stick, not all people actually want anything different. Students being a great example. There has always been casual labour and as a student myself I did it. Ban it and these people will lose out as they cannot commit to full time work. A lack of flexibility to some employers may reduce some jobs but it's the minimum wage that would decrease jobs.

 

[skybluetony176]

Amazing how you always have a personal story to tell to suit your argument even if it contradicts actual research on the subject

Forgive me if I go with the research.

The research says one factor for going is a feeling of unity and comradeship as many users are lonely and without contact and routines - so I'm surprised it was depressing.

The only foodbanks I contribute to are to animal sanctuarys.

Does it really matter? 1 in 6 is too many end off. The argument ends there. In fact having food banks full stop is a measurement of a failed society and failed government. People who work shouldn't depend on them and neither should people on benefits. If we had a proper social care system and a fair society where everyone earns a decent living wage there wouldn't be a need for them.

 

[clint van damme]

I was mostly referring to increasing the minimum wage.

Although labour uses zhc as another stick, not all people actually want anything different. Students being a great example. There has always been casual labour and as a student myself I did it. Ban it and these people will lose out as they cannot commit to full time work. A lack of flexibility to some employers may reduce some jobs but it's the minimum wage that would decrease jobs.

but there hasn't always been zero hour contracts. You know that they are not being used soley for students and casual labour. They are no good for people with families who need a regular income but many find themselves on them as they have become more widespread.

 

[mrtrench]

Nobody is permitted to depend on them tony. You may not go there every day. No matter how much money people get, some will spend it all and run out of food some times. The only way to stop them being used is to close them.

 

[Grendel]

but there hasn't always been zero hour contracts. You know that they are not being used soley for students and casual labour. They are no good for people with families who need a regular income but many find themselves on them as they have become more widespread.

It's interesting as I remember once being lectured by the uber socialist liquid gold on the excellent social society in Scandinavia.

 

[mrtrench]

but there hasn't always been zero hour contracts. You know that they are not being used soley for students and casual labour. They are no good for people with families who need a regular income but many find themselves on them as they have become more widespread.

Some people on zhc will certainly prefer a contract. These people can use them to get experience and then move on. We are presently at close to economic zero unemployment. If they want a different job they will find it.

Some people will want their zhc. Ban them and you do a disservice to both sets: those that use them as a stepping stone and those that just want a zhc.

 

[skybluegod]

but there hasn't always been zero hour contracts. You know that they are not being used soley for students and casual labour. They are no good for people with families who need a regular income but many find themselves on them as they have become more widespread.

Yes but at least 0 hour contracts give some cash flow to those that can’t get full-time employment.
For example 3 of the people I worked with at the pub, had set hours, to work around kids school life, and were well into their 40’s and they didn’t want anything more than the 0 hour contract.
3 more others, were students, who either wanted to work in the holidays, or on free evenings to earn some extra pennies.
2 others, had partners, who worked odd shift patterns, and had babies to look after, and so zero hour contracts suited them, as they are more flexible.

 

[Grendel]

Yes but at least 0 hour contracts give some cash flow to those that can’t get full-time employment.
For example 3 of the people I worked with at the pub, had set hours, to work around kids school life, and were well into their 40’s and they didn’t want anything more than the 0 hour contract.
3 more others, were students, who either wanted to work in the holidays, or on free evenings to earn some extra pennies.
2 others, had partners, who worked odd shift patterns, and had babies to look after, and so zero hour contracts suited them, as they are more flexible.

Research suggests two thirds prefer the arrangement.

 

[Sick Boy]

Research suggests two thirds prefer the arrangement.

Perhaps you share this and the foodbank research with us?

 

[skybluetony176]

Nobody is permitted to depend on them tony. You may not go there every day. No matter how much money people get, some will spend it all and run out of food some times. The only way to stop them being used is to close them.

Not really. That will only encourage petty crime. I'd shoplift to feed my children if I had no other option in a heartbeat and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one. The only reason they exist is because they're needed, take away the need and they'll close. Pretty simple principle really.

 

[clint van damme]

Nobody is permitted to depend on them tony. You may not go there every day. No matter how much money people get, some will spend it all and run out of food some times. The only way to stop them being used is to close them.

terrible thing to say. Your lack of empathy is appalling.
I had a spell on benefits around 25 years ago. I was skint but we didn't need food banks. we could pay our bills, feed our family and keep a roof over our heads on the benefits we received.
We got back on our feet, and have since paid a fair old whack in tax and I don't begrudge a penny. You could look on the benefits we received as an investment, it kept our heads above water until we were in a position to contribute again. why shouldn't everyone be afforded the same safety net in times of hardship?
It could happen to anyone. If it was up to some on here we'd have been put on the scrap heap!!

 

[skybluegod]

Perhaps you share this and the foodbank research with us?

He is right about 0 hour contracts. Think stats are that 32% want full time contracts the rest are happy with what they are on.

And he has already shared the food bank research earlier in the thread

 

[skybluegod]

terrible thing to say. Your lack of empathy is appalling.
I had a spell on benefits around 25 years ago. I was skint but we didn't need food banks. we could pay our bills, feed our family and keep a roof over our heads on the benefits we received.
We got back on our feet, and have since paid a fair old whack in tax and I don't begrudge a penny. You could look on the benefits we received as an investment, it kept our heads above water until we were in a position to contribute again. why shouldn't everyone be afforded the same safety net in times of hardship?
It could happen to anyone. If it was up to some on here we'd have been put on the scrap heap!!

It’s okay when people like you turn it around, off anybody can come into hardship. But you didn’t take advantage of the Fact that you paid your bills, fed your family and kept a roof over your head, in those circumstances. But now too many people take advantage of others generosity, and of the social service system and get away with it.
I wouldn’t expect empathy from anyone though if it was me in that circumstance. I would rely on myself to get me out of that mess.

 

[Grendel]

Perhaps you share this and the foodbank research with us?

I already shared one and you didn't believe it so what's the point?

 

[clint van damme]

He is right about 0 hour contracts. Think stats are that 32% want full time contracts the rest are happy with what they are on.

And he has already shared the food bank research earlier in the thread

so why not make them optional? If people don't want a traditional full time contract then fair enough.

 

[torchomatic]

I volunteered at a food bank a bit last year and can assure you that a lot of the people using them have little choice and even feel a great deal of shame.

Luckily there are still people with compassion who donate food and a lot of time to help these people, it was bloody depressing.

**Awaits virtual signalling bollocks**

Yep, every time we shop we buy something extra and stick it in the Foodbank Container in the supermarket.