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Captain Dart · Apr 1, 2018

clint van damme said:
but you're happy for boris and co to stay in their jobs, says it all.

Boris is a disaster waiting to happen but he is not a problem compared to what havoc Abbot would cause if she became home secretary and as for McDonnell I shudder.

Meanwhile Gove is getting on with some inroads into the throwaway culture the Greens should have been strong on stood on till they diluted their original raison d'etre to become just another left wing party virtually indistinguishable from Labour.
Hammond is also quietly getting the finances in order.
May is gradually agreeing terms with the EU.
Thornycroft is taking no shit from the Russians.
Rudd, could be a lot better, needs to get a grip on crime, very disappointed in her.

clint van damme · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
He isn’t in Corbyns league and like it or not Johnson is a right wing politician Corbyn is not. He builds an image on equal opportunity while at the same time allowing his followers to brutalise and abuse anyone who does not tow the line.

I believe that the government has made a motion to debate anti semetism on the return to parliament. Labour MPs are planning to use parliamentary privelege to reveal the true extent of racism and name names. Let’s hope so and this anti British charlatan can return to where he belongs.

you don't seem so concerned about the Islamophobia that's emanated from the tory party this week, do you give that a pass?
I see blair made a statement saying there was no antisemitism in Labour when he was in charge which is an absolute lie. There have been issues in all parties, including the Greens!

Grendel · Apr 1, 2018

clint van damme said:
you don't seem so concerned about the Islamophobia that's emanated from the tory party this week, do you give that a pass?
I see blair made a statement saying there was no antisemitism in Labour when he was in charge which is an absolute lie. There have been issues in all parties, including the Greens!

Having concern about Islam terrorist groups is understandable. Mr Corbyn may consider Islam Terrorists his friends - I do not.

clint van damme · Apr 1, 2018

Captain Dart said:
Boris is a disaster waiting to happen but he is not a problem compared to what havoc Abbot would cause if she became home secretary and as for McDonnell I shudder.

Meanwhile Gove is getting on with some inroads into the throwaway culture the Greens should have been strong on stood on till they diluted their original raison d'etre to become just another left wing party virtually indistinguishable from Labour.
Hammond is also quietly getting the finances in order.
May is gradually agreeing terms with the EU.
Thornycroft is taking no shit from the Russians.
Rudd, could be a lot better, needs to get a grip on crime, very disappointed in her.

Rudd needs to get a grip on crime, for fucks sake! That's the understatement of the year. The murder rate in London has just over taken New York, crime in the rest of the country has gone through the roof. To be fair to Rudd, when the police force budget gets stripped to the bone and the PM in her role as home secretary tells Chief constables to stop being drama queens when they tell her what's going to happen then she's up against it.

Hammonds made blunders that even Abbott wouldn't make, and if she had they'd have been all over this forum.
To be fair, I have no time for Gove but he does seem to be doing some good stuff in his new brief so credit where it's due.

chiefdave · Apr 1, 2018

Captain Dart said:
He had 2 accounts one official which remains and a personal one which has been deleted.

So another complete non-story. Expect it will get far more coverage than scrapping childcare vouchers without a parliamentary vote or the 601,222 migrants who have been lost in the system which was quietly dropped out right before parliament shut for Easter.

Captain Dart said:
McDonnell & Abbott too please.

It would certainly be shame if the electorate got to choose between parties which aren't virtually identical to each other. Lets go back to having multiple options of the same thing.

clint van damme · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
Having concern about Islam terrorist groups is understandable. Mr Corbyn may consider Islam Terrorists his friends - I do not.

I'm not on about Islamist terror groups, I'm on about stuff directed at the general muslim population.
As far as I'm aware, Corbyn has never sold weapons to ISIS best mate and he voted against was in Syria where we backed and armed Al Quaeda/Al Nusra.

chiefdave · Apr 1, 2018

Captain Dart said:
His brand of politics is shameful, it needs to go for the good of the country.

Thats why we vote. If you don't like his brand of politics don't vote for him. Those that do like it should have the option to vote for him. That option shouldn't be removed because members of the elite are terrified of him.

If his policies and leadership are bad then why can't people debate like adults on that basis rather than constantly trying to smear and undermine in. If he's as bad as is made out he's got no chance of winning as his policies will be easily picked apart come campaign time.

clint van damme · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
Oh dear

Top Labour donor Sir David Garrard quits party over anti-Semitism row

he said he was quitting the day Corbyn was elected leader but has waited until now so it's fair to say the reasons given today are bullshit. He's a red tory and no loss to the party.

Grendel · Apr 1, 2018

clint van damme said:
Hammonds made blunders that even Abbott wouldn't make

To even imply that Dianne Abbott would in any way be better as COE than Hammond puts you on the same scale as Martcov for dribbling lunacy.

The fact is Abbott is racist, a supporter of terrorism and a former lover of her boss. Those are the only reasons she’s employed where she is.

Grendel · Apr 1, 2018

clint van damme said:
he said he was quitting the day Corbyn was elected leader but has waited until now so it's fair to say the reasons given today are bullshit. He's a red tory and no loss to the party.

If course he is - of course he’s now loss he is from an inferior breed isn’t he?

chiefdave · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
To even imply that Dianne Abbott would in any way be better as COE than Hammond puts you on the same scale as Martcov for dribbling lunacy.

Come on CVD and Martcov, you really need to up your game if you want to reach Hammonds level of dribbling lunacy.

clint van damme · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
To even imply that Dianne Abbott would in any way be better as COE than Hammond puts you on the same scale as Martcov for dribbling lunacy.

The fact is Abbott is racist, a supporter of terrorism and a former lover of her boss. Those are the only reasons she’s employed where she is.

i didn't imply she is better, She takes a lot of unfair stick, much of it racist, (strangely not mentioned too much on here), but I don't think she's cabinet material. But that doesn't mean Hammond is and he has made much bigger blunders than Abbot, the HS2 one in particular.
Having said that, she has been a constituency MP for, I think, over 20 years so she must be doing something right, though being a good constituency MP doesn't mean you'd be good in the cabinet and I think that's the case with her.

Captain Dart · Apr 1, 2018

clint van damme said:
you don't seem so concerned about the Islamophobia that's emanated from the tory party this week, do you give that a pass?
I see blair made a statement saying there was no antisemitism in Labour when he was in charge which is an absolute lie. There have been issues in all parties, including the Greens!

See the late Christopher Hitchens on why the the concept of Islamaphobia is a word used by Islamic propaganda.
I have a justifiable fear of Islam because the Koran instructs its followers to kill non believers.

Grendel · Apr 1, 2018

chiefdave said:
Come on CVD and Martcov, you really need to up your game if you want to reach Hammonds level of dribbling lunacy.

Hammond is a reasonable politician and is capable at finance. Abbott is a firebrand racist who supports anti British terrorist groups and who shagged Corbyn in a camper van. She is a disaster and has no place in British politics. If you think the economy and national security are served by IRA McDonnell and the racist Abbott then good luck.

clint van damme · Apr 1, 2018

Captain Dart said:
See the late Christopher Hitchens on why so called Islamaphobia and why the concept is a lie.
I have a justifiable fear of Islam because the Koran instructs its followers to kill non believers.

I don't need you to post Hitchens videos I've watched everything the man has ever done.
If you think he what he says justifies your Islamophobia then you've really misunderstood him.

chiefdave · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
Hammond is a reasonable politician and is capable at finance.

Just the odd £20bn out with his figures, nothing to see here!

chiefdave · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
If you think the economy and national security are served by IRA McDonnell and the racist Abbott then good luck.

Personally I don't but I do think people should have that option and that the debate should be above slinging childish insults at each other.

If Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott are all so incompetent and unelectable why does the establishment and MSM appear so terrified of them? All they need to do is sensible questions of their beliefs and policies and the house of cards would come tumbling down. Why the need for constant lies and smears?

SkyblueBazza · Apr 1, 2018

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It wants rid of the Arabs in a land it feels entitled to because of a several thousand year old desert book.

There are Arabs (about 15-20%) who are actually Israeli. Israeli-Arabs as-in. They live in Israeli cities.

I reckon they would start with them if they genuinely wanted rid of the Arabs.

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SkyblueBazza · Apr 1, 2018

martcov said:
My majority? Have no idea what you are on about..

Well you must have! You referred to 17,4 minority. So the rest...whoever they are...must be a majority

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Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
Having concern about Islam terrorist groups is understandable. Mr Corbyn may consider Islam Terrorists his friends - I do not.

Theresa May does, which is why she arms them with billions of pounds worth of weapons.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 1, 2018

clint van damme said:
Rudd needs to get a grip on crime, for fucks sake! That's the understatement of the year. The murder rate in London has just over taken New York, crime in the rest of the country has gone through the roof. To be fair to Rudd, when the police force budget gets stripped to the bone and the PM in her role as home secretary tells Chief constables to stop being drama queens when they tell her what's going to happen then she's up against it.

Hammonds made blunders that even Abbott wouldn't make, and if she had they'd have been all over this forum.
To be fair, I have no time for Gove but he does seem to be doing some good stuff in his new brief so credit where it's due.

She joined the Tories what did she expect, levels of funding necessary to maintain a service?

Grendel · Apr 1, 2018

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Theresa May does, which is why she arms them with billions of pounds worth of weapons.

No she isn’t - that’s business which every other European country has grabbed so is macron and Merkel the same?

Still you think Adolf Hitler was a decent bloke who tried to find the Jews their spiritual homeland.

Johnnythespider · Apr 1, 2018

chiefdave said:
Personally I don't but I do think people should have that option and that the debate should be above slinging childish insults at each other.

If Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott are all so incompetent and unelectable why does the establishment and MSM appear so terrified of them? All they need to do is sensible questions of their beliefs and policies and the house of cards would come tumbling down. Why the need for constant lies and smears?

Because he has given people a real choice for the first time in a generation, and we can't have that can we.

martcov · Apr 1, 2018

Grendel said:
To even imply that Dianne Abbott would in any way be better as COE than Hammond puts you on the same scale as Martcov for dribbling lunacy.

The fact is Abbott is racist, a supporter of terrorism and a former lover of her boss. Those are the only reasons she’s employed where she is.

WTF? Dribbling lunacy is more your department. Don’t bring me into it.

martcov · Apr 1, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Well you must have! You referred to 17,4 minority. So the rest...whoever they are...must be a majority

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I was referring to a minority within the 17,4. hence a comma. I didn’t want to claim that all leavers are of the same opinion on everything, Farage fans, extreme right wing, or thick undereducated people. Millions aren’t. Some obviously are.

martcov · Apr 1, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
You can spout as much of that drivel as you like. We joined a trading block that despite our 'help'(???) has evolved, & continues to evolve, into what is essentially a European super-state. Progressive governments have handed powers to the EU...which has eventually led to Brexit.

As I have said so many times to you & others on the actual thread about the EU...I voted remain. We are all in it together, the majority voted in way back when...& out much more recently. We ARE leaving - embrace change, fighting it will just bring you stress because Brexit, like the EU super-state is a train that is only stoppable by a very nasty derailment which will cause far many more casualties than we can imagine.

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The EU is the world‘s largest trading bloc and has trade deals with many countries and it is not a super state. Embrace change? Loss of rights, loss of influence, loss of trade deals and loss of security? No.

SkyblueBazza · Apr 1, 2018

martcov said:
I was referring to a minority within the 17,4. hence a comma. I didn’t want to claim that all leavers are of the same opinion on everything, Farage fans, extreme right wing, or thick undereducated people. Millions aren’t. Some obviously are.

Which is a very unjust accusation. Anyone Brexit, you reckon, is extreme right-wing or a sandwich short of a picnic.

You really are pretty bigoted aren't you?

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SkyblueBazza · Apr 1, 2018

martcov said:
The EU is the world‘s largest trading bloc and has trade deals with many countries and it is not a super state. Embrace change? Loss of rights, loss of influence, loss of trade deals and loss of security? No.

That's a very speculative response. Others may listen to us on a level with the EU. We have been a major influence for centuries...the EU for less than 1!
The EU leaders are doing all they can to make the EU a super state (surely you cannot argue with that??? Otherwise why are they forging ahead with political, defence, currency union???)
It is still going to be a very large trading bloc after we leave...but about 12% smaller - which means it will be about the same size as the US - who we will arguably find it easier to trade with post Brexit if we get & embrace it right.

As for security...we are still in NATO. If there was no NATO, I still wouldn't be comfortable if we as a nation were depending upon the EU to back us in any conflict. Expelling diplomats is one thing, but they weren't exactly alongside us regarding the Falklands, Iraq mor Afghanistan. Relatively token efforts on all fronts.

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martcov · Apr 2, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Which is a very unjust accusation. Anyone Brexit, you reckon, is extreme right-wing or a sandwich short of a picnic.

You really are pretty bigoted aren't you?

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You do have a problem with English don’t you? I said a minority are. Which is proven by some callers on phone ins and posters on forums. No where have I said that anyone who supports Brexit is a right wing moron. Some obviously are, but I don’t know of any reliable statistics.

martcov · Apr 2, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
That's a very speculative response. Others may listen to us on a level with the EU. We have been a major influence for centuries...the EU for less than 1!
The EU leaders are doing all they can to make the EU a super state (surely you cannot argue with that??? Otherwise why are they forging ahead with political, defence, currency union???)
It is still going to be a very large trading bloc after we leave...but about 12% smaller - which means it will be about the same size as the US - who we will arguably find it easier to trade with post Brexit if we get & embrace it right.

As for security...we are still in NATO. If there was no NATO, I still wouldn't be comfortable if we as a nation were depending upon the EU to back us in any conflict. Expelling diplomats is one thing, but they weren't exactly alongside us regarding the Falklands, Iraq mor Afghanistan. Relatively token efforts on all fronts.

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We have been a major influence. „Have been“.

To be a super state they need agreement from 27 sovereign states. There is a difference between a union of states and a single super state.

450 million without us is not the same size as 320 million in the USA.

We will never get a customs union or single market with the USA, so you cannot compare the two.

The EU didn’t exist at the time of the Falklands war and there will be an EU Defence Force as we cannot rely on the USA long term. Ask Trump.

SkyblueBazza · Apr 2, 2018

martcov said:
You do have a problem with English don’t you? I said a minority are. Which is proven by some callers on phone ins and posters on forums. No where have I said that anyone who supports Brexit is a right wing moron. Some obviously are, but I don’t know of any reliable statistics.

Hmmmm...bit of wriggle there. You were really trying to make a statement along the line I stated imo

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SkyblueBazza · Apr 2, 2018

martcov said:
We have been a major influence. „Have been“.

To be a super state they need agreement from 27 sovereign states. There is a difference between a union of states and a single super state.

450 million without us is not the same size as 320 million in the USA.

We will never get a customs union or single market with the USA, so you cannot compare the two.

The EU didn’t exist at the time of the Falklands war and there will be an EU Defence Force as we cannot rely on the USA long term. Ask Trump.

EU defence force will have the Russians quivering I'm sure...actually they know that Britain will not stand by watching while their neighbours are attacked, so they would still think twice before aggressive actions on EU members.

As for agreement of 27...behind the scenes manoeuvres mean agreement is gained. The EU super-state objective is in progress. They will get there or get close within 15yrs.

The EU didn't exist as it stands now, but it's precursor wasn't very supportive beyond words for the Falklands was it?

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Astute · Apr 2, 2018

Johnnythespider said:
Because he has given people a real choice for the first time in a generation, and we can't have that can we.

Real choice?

Corbyn and those who have been with him for many years like Abbott and McDonnell have so many skeletons in the closet that some people constantly see a need to defend them.

My real choice would be a Labour leader without a whole graveyard full of skeletons in the closet. So it isn't Corbyn for me.

martcov · Apr 2, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
EU defence force will have the Russians quivering I'm sure...actually they know that Britain will not stand by watching while their neighbours are attacked, so they would still think twice before aggressive actions on EU members.

As for agreement of 27...behind the scenes manoeuvres mean agreement is gained. The EU super-state objective is in progress. They will get there or get close within 15yrs.

The EU didn't exist as it stands now, but it's precursor wasn't very supportive beyond words for the Falklands was it?

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Do you see Russia quivering at the moment...? BoJo said we will be a buttress to an EU Defence Force.

Glad to see you know about secret Manövers and the future results of them.

Yes, we would probably could have been in a stronger position to negotiate a ceasefire if the EU had existed in it’s present form. Or at least avoided the French selling Exocet mlissiles during the conflict which gave the Argentinians the impression of support. There is a much stronger bond now ( apart from Brexit).

martcov · Apr 2, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Hmmmm...bit of wriggle there. You were really trying to make a statement along the line I stated imo

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I was really trying to be fair to people by recognising that not all leavers come into the same categories. It seems to be more difficult than I thought.

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