O'Hare bids (8 Viewers)

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

To be fair Forest got nearly £5 million for Samba. 20% of that for Moore? Unlikely but not impossible.

I think it was more nearer the £4.3m mark factoring in the exchange rate and given the financial state of French clubs at the minute and the fact he only had 12 months left on his deal I'd wager the reported fee was probably stacked with add-ons.

No it's not impossible. But I'd imagine PL clubs at the bottom end would look to recruiting a free agent as a No.2. rather than commit a reasonable fee to them.

 

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[Grendel]

Well exactly-so why the particular scrutiny on this window? If we can’t find anyone willing to bridge the gap what are we meant to do?

Because we have a shortfall as we have a wage bill exceeding money in

 

[Jamesimus]

Because we have a shortfall as we have a wage bill exceeding money in

That answers the question perfectly... ... ...

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

The only way the club can maintain its existence in the league with these owners is to sell players and buy others at a much smaller outlay

Easier in lower leagues but clearly they Hope a player is deemed good enough to attract a large premier league fee

So if Gyokeres can keep scoring and improve on his conversion rate I would think there’s the plan

The issue with Gyokeres is if he has another successful season how much his value would be affected by him entering the last year of his contract next summer.

I've noticed the reported asking price for Brereton has dropped from £25m to £15m. Would be very interesting to see what he goes for.

Certainly might invoke some thought by those within the club as when to sell Gyokeres.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The issue with Gyokeres is if he has another successful season how much his value would be affected by him entering the last year of his contract next summer.

I've noticed the reported asking price for Brereton has dropped from £25m to £15m. Would be very interesting to see what he goes for.

Certainly might invoke some thought by those within the club as when to sell Gyokeres.

Or perhaps to offer Gyo a contract extension on the basis that he has his choice of destinations in the summer. In his case though his value is pretty much proportional to goals scored.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Well exactly-so why the particular scrutiny on this window? If we can’t find anyone willing to bridge the gap what are we meant to do?

I think that's probably the right question.

Presumably they have a fee in mind that aligns with what's needed to pay instalments owed, safeguard against cashflow problems and covers operational costs at least until January.

But if there isn't anyone willing to meet the club's valuation on a player then what's their strategy?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because we have a shortfall as we have a wage bill exceeding money in

And next summer a large chunk of that wage bill expires

 

[Grendel]

And next summer a large chunk of that wage bill expires

But by then we are bust!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But by then we are bust!

You don’t think we can hang on until then when the big 3 can all be sold at once and a whole wedge of expensive unwanted players let go?

 

[Grendel]

You don’t think we can hang on until then when the big 3 can all be sold at once and a whole wedge of expensive unwanted players let go?

Well….clearly not and those 3 have declined in value and we have a wage bill until July 31 2023 at £20 million - also then what? That’s the Orange Ken approach as you’ve got declining disposable assets declining quality of players and relegation round the corner

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Or perhaps to offer Gyo a contract extension on the basis that he has his choice of destinations in the summer. In his case though his value is pretty much proportional to goals scored.

Assuming there's the budget for it - albeit at the minute that's looking somewhat unlikely - I'd imagine conversations regarding a new contract may have already begun, or if not they'll certainly be tabled in the first few months of the season.

The timing of Gyokeres' sale will obviously very much be determined from the outcome of those talks.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

You don’t think we can hang on until then when the big 3 can all be sold at once and a whole wedge of expensive unwanted players let go?

As previously stated I'd imagine there's a reason behind why the club whats a larger upfront fee rather than the fee being spread out in instalments.

Payment on transfer instalments owed and to mitigate cashflow issues will probably be two of the core reasons.

 

[robbiekeane]

How am I wrong? So by your logic even if a club had met Boddy's valuation then O'Hare or any of the club's key assets for that matter would still be here then?

Make it make sense.

I’m not sure how much clearer I can be than to literally reword your quote for you.

By valuation do you mean the maximum boddy thinks he can get for him? Or the minimum that he would accept?
It’s very likely that their bid met the latter (the breaking point) and not the former.

The truth is neither of us have any idea and the fact he is still here doesn’t mean that they didn’t make a bit that we would ultimately take

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well….clearly not and those 3 have declined in value and we have a wage bill until July 31 2023 at £20 million - also then what? That’s the Orange Ken approach as you’ve got declining disposable assets declining quality of players and relegation round the corner

It depends on whether you expect them to have better or worse seasons than the one just gone. I think Gyo and O’Hare should do, Hamer though is the oldest of the three and looks like the upper Championship is his ceiling. Sheaf improving year on year may yet also draw interest if he continues on his trajectory.

Next summer if all those come to fruition you could likely ask £15m for Gyo with perhaps 5 apiece for the other 2 and release all the detritus at the same time.

Assuming there's the budget for it - albeit at the minute that's looking somewhat unlikely - but I'd imagine conversations regarding a new contract may have already begun, or if not they'll certainly be tabled in the first few months of the season.

The timing of Gyokeres' sale will obviously very much be determined from the outcome of those talks.

He should be aiming for 20+ goals this season and if he looks on course for that by January then talks on an extension with a view to a sale would be reasonable. It’s all a very difficult balancing act though, and I can accept whoever is CEO is in a pretty unenviable position.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As previously stated I'd imagine there's a reason behind why the club whats a larger upfront fee rather than the fee being spread out in instalments.

Payment on transfer instalments owed and to mitigate cashflow issues will probably be two of the core reasons.

I don’t disagree. The question there really is can Seppalla find the finance in the case we can’t drum up a big enough fee.

 

[Mcbean]

Why is that lazy. Do you honestly think Kompany no longer wants O’Hare ? I don’t … if they bring in more funds for Cornet, McNeil etc they will be back in for him I’m sure.

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[Deity]

If we don’t sell Vik this summer then the prudent thing to do would be to offer him a better longer contract with an agreed transfer fee clause.

 

[Grendel]

If we don’t sell Vik this summer then the prudent thing to do would be to offer him a better longer contract with an agreed transfer fee clause.

And if he says no?

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

I don’t disagree. The question there really is can Seppalla find the finance in the case we can’t drum up a big enough fee.

Or if that's not possible then sell two at a cut price deal....

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Or if that's not possible then sell two at a cut price deal....

But then presumably not replace them and struggle to stay up. As I said, very tough balancing act.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Well I’m sure if he’s sold for £5 million Mr Boddy will say it’s a good price

You say this as if £5m would be underselling him but have constantly said that “we clearly over value our players as noones bidding what we deem them worth”. Which is it?


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[Sky Blue Pete]

And if he says no?

Unlikely the young players we’ve got in seem to have their heads screwed on

 

[Paxman II]

My word the conjecture on here is insane. Let it all go folks. Close the thread. No one is leaving as yet.

 

[Grendel]

You say this as if £5m would be underselling him but have constantly said that “we clearly over value our players as noones bidding what we deem them worth”. Which is it?


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We over value as we have release clauses far in excess of that

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

But then presumably not replace them and struggle to stay up. As I said, very tough balancing act.

It's a huge balancing act, and in all fairness to Boddy I wouldn't want to be in his position. As the way I see it none of the options on the table are particularly positive if clubs don't meet his valuation on O'Hare.

 

[Grendel]

My word the conjecture on here is insane. Let it all go folks. Close the thread. No one is leaving as yet.

Mmmm

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Shoulddn't worry about it mate. Some of us just read and make posts to hear and share opinions. Others go to war over the most ridiculous things. No we dont! How fucking dare you!

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[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Unlikely the young players we’ve got in seem to have their heads screwed on

To be fair if he hit the ground running next season and rejected a new contract offer that hardly equates to him not having his head screwed on.

He'd know he'd be able to get a far more lucrative offer, probably in the PL - and if he improved on his finishing he most certainly would be deserving of that.

 

[rexo87]

We over value as we have release clauses far in excess of that

Generally release clauses are set very high and only ever triggered if a player has a fantastic season and has multiple clubs after them. You wouldn't want to set too low a release clause as you could be doing yourself of 5-10 million

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's a huge balancing act, and in all fairness to Boddy I wouldn't want to be in his position. As the way I see it none of the options on the table are particularly positive if clubs don't meet his valuation on O'Hare.

Well it appears at least one did but wasn’t willing or able to pay it all up front. As and when Cornet and/or McNeill are sold we’ll see, but the timing is really not in our favour if they meet all our demands a week before the window shuts.

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

Trying to understand this.

8 weeks of hysterics and speculation over one of the big 3 being sold.

Now hysterics by some over one of the big 3 NOT being sold?

Sometimes the club just can't win.

 

[Grendel]

Trying to understand this.

8 weeks of hysterics and speculation over one of the big 3 being sold.

Now hysterics by some over one of the big 3 NOT being sold?

Sometimes the club just can't win.

Deja Vu

Missing : Bright

Tough game mate , really tough game

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[Grendel]

Unlikely the young players we’ve got in seem to have their heads screwed on

If his agent has his head screwed on and Gyokeres thinks he can do the same again the last thing he will be advised to do is sign another deal

 

[Deity]

My word the conjecture on here is insane. Let it all go folks. Close the thread. No one is leaving as yet.

This is a football forum. Conjecture is it’s reason for being.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Generally release clauses are set very high and only ever triggered if a player has a fantastic season and has multiple clubs after them. You wouldn't want to set too low a release clause as you could be doing yourself of 5-10 million

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Hmm I'm not sure I agree with that. I think they're very much a mixed bag. Look at Haaland's at Dortmund as a classic case in point.

For clubs of our stature they're usually agreed to convince in-demand players to stay in the short term, but under the guise that the club can't/won't out-price interested parties as and when they come in.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hmm I'm not sure I agree with that. I think they're very much a mixed bag. Look at Haaland's at Dortmund as a classic case in point.

For clubs of our stature they're usually agreed to convince in-demand players to stay in the short term, but under the guise that the club can't/won't out-price interested parties as and when they come in.

Spanish release clauses certainly are set to astronomical levels. Dortmund were a bit naive considering how much they extracted for Sancho and Dembele, and likely will for Moukoko in a few years.

For us though, we’d be best off trying to have a gentleman’s agreement instead of a contractual one if at all possible.