COH played 30 games 1 goal 4 assists
Hamer, kane and Gyokeres all have as many assists in less games
Gyokeres and godden have 21 goals between them. Cant argue based on stats alone that those have been largely provided by COH.
He is a good player, at times frustrating and MR has built our play around him. For me thats the problem. If he isnt effective then there is no adequate replacement or alternative to push him on to better. Yes he makes us play good football but he also contributes to not winning. Puts some good balls in at times but decision making is inconsistent creating frustration. Easy on the eye but needs to push on if he has ambition to be a top player
seems to be unless Godden or Gyokeres do it in terms of goals then we falter because no one else including COH does.
not anti COH but for us and him to push on he needs to be more effective, to match his indoubted talent
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Exactly and he is a threat, because the opposition always seem to have to foul him to stop him in his tracks.Opposition double up on him because he is a threat. This provides space for the other attacking players. It’s not all about goals and assists.
They do, although as an aside I wish he'd stop that desperate pleading look to the ref, hands in the air whenever he gets hit - am sure refs don't give the fouls they should, partly because he seems to go looking for them more often than not as well.Exactly and he is a threat, because the opposition always seem to have to foul him to stop him in his tracks.
The sitter he put on for Waghorn recently tooHe has created more chances from open play than any other player in the Championship this season (a stat that flashed up during the Cardiff game on Sky Sports).
If Gyok buries that header against Cardiff and Hamer finishes his last minute effort against Blackpool he has another 2 assists this season. Both chances that should've been finished.
His own finishing is poor there's no doubt about it but he creates chances galore and it's not his fault they're not finished off by others. He is constantly picking up the ball in dangerous positions and making things happen. We are a much worse team without him.
I'm sure this will initially attract a barrage of insults, but as much as I really want the lad to succeed, he's not offering anywhere near enough for a championship attacking midfielder that plays every game.
I've heard comments that he is the best player we've had since relegation from the Premier League. Personally I don't see it at all.
I think we could sell him and whilst I'm not exactly confident the owners would reinvest it, should he go for the touted 5 million, even 20% of that would find someone who could score or assist more than what he is offering at the moment. Playing for territory is something wasps should be proud of, not us, and it feels like that and work rate are about his only major attributes. It's becoming a cult in itself though, and match after match there are people that leap to his defence in what in my view seems irrationally obsessive.
His stats in the league (last 3 seasons):
105 appearances
7 goals
16 assists
I've been at times really excited by him, and when we signed him from Villa permanently I was estatic, but that euphoria has seriously plateaued over time.
I'm not looking for emotive rage, just someone please, kindly and respectfully change my mind.
He has created more chances from open play than any other player in the Championship this season (a stat that flashed up during the Cardiff game on Sky Sports).
If Gyok buries that header against Cardiff and Hamer finishes his last minute effort against Blackpool he has another 2 assists this season. Both chances that should've been finished.
His own finishing is poor there's no doubt about it but he creates chances galore and it's not his fault they're not finished off by others. He is constantly picking up the ball in dangerous positions and making things happen. We are a much worse team without him.
You've forgotten the even easier one in between those 2, vik at Reading
COH played 30 games 1 goal 4 assists
Hamer, kane and Gyokeres all have as many assists in less games
Gyokeres and godden have 21 goals between them. Cant argue based on stats alone that those have been largely provided by COH.
He is a good player, at times frustrating and MR has built our play around him. For me thats the problem. If he isnt effective then there is no adequate replacement or alternative to push him on to better. Yes he makes us play good football but he also contributes to not winning. Puts some good balls in at times but decision making is inconsistent creating frustration. Easy on the eye but needs to push on if he has ambition to be a top player
seems to be unless Godden or Gyokeres do it in terms of goals then we falter because no one else including COH does.
not anti COH but for us and him to push on he needs to be more effective, to match his indoubted talent
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Don’t forget his obligatory post foul limpThey do, although as an aside I wish he'd stop that desperate pleading look to the ref, hands in the air whenever he gets hit - am sure refs don't give the fouls they should, partly because he seems to go looking for them more often than not as well.
His finishing is shite but he would have had a load more assists if our strikers' finishing wasn't also shite.
Don’t throw facts at peopleCOH played 30 games 1 goal 4 assists
Hamer, kane and Gyokeres all have as many assists in less games
Gyokeres and godden have 21 goals between them. Cant argue based on stats alone that those have been largely provided by COH.
He is a good player, at times frustrating and MR has built our play around him. For me thats the problem. If he isnt effective then there is no adequate replacement or alternative to push him on to better. Yes he makes us play good football but he also contributes to not winning. Puts some good balls in at times but decision making is inconsistent creating frustration. Easy on the eye but needs to push on if he has ambition to be a top player
seems to be unless Godden or Gyokeres do it in terms of goals then we falter because no one else including COH does.
not anti COH but for us and him to push on he needs to be more effective, to match his indoubted talent
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I feel like this will be one of those threads that in five years time Grendel gets his spreadsheet out for when O'Hare is playing higher end Championship at the very least and we are lurking back towards the bottom of league one.
To suggest O'Hare is a burden is absolute madness.
Without him we would be in serious trouble this season. He is the only player we have in attacking midfield with any penetration and ability to beat a man. Would you rather Shipley ambling about and Allen tenaciously chasing but having zero real impact on a game instead?
I can understand the view he is the most frustrating player in the team. He promises so much but rarely delivers in front of goal, which I do think it is perfectly fair to criticize, but as BD suggested, there's no way he'd be with us even if he got say 10 goals a season. To suggest his poor finishing outweighs the hard yards, creativity and overall impact he has on the team is baffling. He's the kind of player that you won't realise how good he is until he is gone or we have to play without him. God help those of us who go every week if we lose him for a sustained period this season.
Godden is ice cold I agree but Gyokeres, who I think is a better all round player, seems to make a lot of his chances on his own. When things have been put on a plate for him he fluffs his lines. Waghorn having 1, Walker having 2 then disappearing and the whole midfield thinking it's not their problem is a huge issue though.Not agreeing with the OP but O'Hare has got a lot of qualities and it's fair to expect more goals from someone with his talents. But if he scores more, as Better Days points out, he'd be off.
About the strikers though - whilst the finishing could be better, how long has it been since we've had two strikers in the top 10/11 of the scorers charts with 10 goals in Feb?
We most definitely need more goals from midfield, not just CO'H.
Not picking on you particularly, but I always find this an odd argument to make really. We surely want all our players and manager to be in demand from clubs higher up the food chain, don't we? Otherwise we're basically accepting they have little chance in progressing the club.but as BD suggested, there's no way he'd be with us even if he got say 10 goals a season.
I agree, no he wouldn't be with us but we'd be £10m better offNot picking on you particularly, but I always find this an odd argument to make really. We surely want all our players and manager to be in demand from clubs higher up the food chain, don't we? Otherwise we're basically accepting they have little chance in progressing the club.
Ok take him out of the team and then who else looks like a threat? If he was lucky enough to play for Man City, and no I am not advocating he is good enough, lots of people would be drooling over him with his work rate alone !No he doesn't that's the whole point!
How can someone who has contributed 1 goal all season be described as "looking like a threat"?
He's a great player, and offers everything EXCEPT a threat.
Godden is ice cold I agree but Gyokeres, who I think is a better all round player, seems to make a lot of his chances on his own. When things have been put on a plate for him he fluffs his lines. Waghorn having 1, Walker having 2 then disappearing and the whole midfield thinking it's not their problem is a huge issue though.
It's great that we have two strikers high in the charts but I think with the chances we create they should be doing better. I could have scored that header on Tuesday and heading the ball gives me migraines.
I’ve only bothered to read the first few responses and I can already see the myth “O’Hare would have loads more assists if our strikers could finish” has been spouted 2 or 3 times. Complete nonsense. Asides from the Gyokeres chance against Cardiff the other night I’m struggling to think of one clear cut chance he’s created that we’ve missed.
I agree with OP. O’Hare is a detriment to this team. He stops far more attacks with piss-poor passing or finishing than he creates. Fans just love him because he runs around a lot and gets fouled.
We would not miss him at all if he left or has a sustained spell out of the side. Sheaf & Hamer on the other hand would leave a massive hole.
I mean if we are to be pedantic , Sheaf being turned like a 5 year old for Cardiffs first goal would be classed as detrimental to the team as they scored from it .. yet everybody is giving him MOTM , whereas KANE was slated and rightly so for a similar thing against Bournemouth.Don’t throw facts at people
“…but…but… but he’s won the most fouls!”
Of course, I agree. It was more that it isn't 'he can't score = he's a burden' or 'he scores loads so he's not with us'. There is a middle ground which he currently is in. I probably articulated that poorly.Not picking on you particularly, but I always find this an odd argument to make really. We surely want all our players and manager to be in demand from clubs higher up the food chain, don't we? Otherwise we're basically accepting they have little chance in progressing the club.
I don't actually think vik did anything wrong with the header .. he headed it down which is always the advice and the keeper knew nothing about it and comes away looking like Gordon Banks
I don't actually think vik did anything wrong with the header .. he headed it down which is always the advice and the keeper knew nothing about it and comes away looking like Gordon Banks
Are you preparing another of your Biamou-style caveats?Has he scored a headed goal at all?
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