Skyblueweeman
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Can you point me to the link where Boddy said we'd take no less than £5m for Hamer and O'Hare?
All I've seen is him mentioning in a programme that we've turned down significant offers for a player.
We had Boddy in the media talking about taking no less than 5m for star players hamer & O’Hare names mentioned they clearly wanted a buyer in January,neither left
Well it wouldn't be COH, because he is "a burden on the team."Can you point me to the link where Boddy said we'd take no less than £5m for Hamer and O'Hare?
All I've seen is him mentioning in a programme that we've turned down significant offers for a player.
After last night , 4th most chances created in the division .. proper burden View attachment 23927
Jesus, you talk absolute tripe. We were trying to find a buyer in January? What's your source?He has all the stats...why were the club trying to find a buyer in jan coming out with figures to the media ? Surely that’s the last thing you want to do no ?
Two crates of Carling by the sounds of it.Jesus, you talk absolute tripe. We were trying to find a buyer in January? What's your source?
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The 3 above him are all regular set piece takers for their club too.
O'Hare has created more chances from open play than anyone in the Championship.
I am just curious though, and I´m not looking to argue here, but if the chances he is creating are up there, why are his assists so low?
It can´t be just that our players always seem to miss conveniently when he is setting them up every single time. We have two strikers who are extremely clinical.
Maybe his final ball just isn´t good enough?
Picking up on comments on other threads about our missing of opportunities (namely "if Godden was available v QPR" or "if we had ourselves a Brereton-Diaz we'd be where Blackburn are" etc.) I thought it might be interesting to do an analysis of our goal scoring & creating stats.
Is it fair to say we're missing lots of gilt-edged chances?
Or are we failing with our final ball?
Perhaps we're just taking poor quality shots overall?
So... Some numbers & my thoughts on them.
We've scored 34 goals from an xG of 34.9 (9th in the league).
2 of those are own goals admittedly so 32 from an xG of 34.9, not massive underperformance by any means.
For example you can attribute 0.77xG to Gyökeres's penalty miss v Barnsley alone.
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One number that stands out is our number of shots per game.
We rank 3rd for Shots per game (13.9)
& joint 2nd for Shots on Target per game (4.9)
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Thankfully, compared to last season, we rank only 8th for Woodwork hit so far this season!
So on this basis, it certainly seems we're creating shooting opportunities. Are they 'good' opportunities though?
I think some were surprised by the xG numbers from the QPR game (1.82 for us v 2.61 for them) considering we had 21 shots, but actually, I think they do a pretty decent job of underlining our problem, namely we take lots of poor quality shots. By that I don't mean the technique of the shot itself but more that we take lots of shots from unfavorable positions & low xG opportunities.
For example, Todd Kane had 2 shots v QPR that combined for a grand total of 0.05 xG, O'Hare with 4 shots for 0.18 xG, Hamer with 3 shots totalling 0.14x G etc etc.
The highest single chance xG was Waghorn's late chance for 0.50 xG.
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So, Chances Created...
We rank 15th in the league for "Big Chances Created" with 29.
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A "big" chance is defined as one that you typically have an above average chance of scoring from. Different providers can rate them slightly differently but typically assume anything over 0.30 xG is deemed a "Big" chance.
So, really, especially when you compare this number to some of the other teams (less than Birmingham, Cardiff & a handful more than Peterborough, Hull, Reading etc) we don't really create as many high quality scoring opportunities as our shot numbers & overall control of games would indicate.
So, to conclude...
I still maintain we're not far off where we want to be but we lack a little quality & cutting edge in the final third. A little of that is on the finishing but the vast majority, at least in my opinion, is on the final pass, chance creation & shot selection.
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To add to this as naturally Gyökeres is coming under scrutiny for his goalscoring drought, his 9 goals have come from 8.73 xG
Interested to hear others thoughts.
Except it was a .13 chance of converting.....
I'm sure we can drag it out another year or 2.Poor finisher, absolutely vital cog in the team.
End of thread.
But he doesn’t score them 13% of the time, that’s the issue. He scores then more like 3% of the time.
You can write off each of ten 0.1 chances as 0.1 chances but overall he should still score one of them.
The hyperbole on each side is ridiculous, as others have said he’s a great player and adds a lot but his finishing is abysmal, worst in the squad.
He, like you, consistently missing the target for goals and hackneyed wind ups respectivelyIt’s got to the point where you’d genuinely rather have Hyam or MacFadzean on the end of any chance over our superstar attacking midfielder.
Any other club and O’Hare would be getting slated and rightly so. City fans area different breed.
Do you even read the posts you respond to?Hyam now has more goals as well as new AM Maatsen there is no excuse for it try all you want he’s pony infront of goal
tbf...they've got him absolutely spot on.
There’s still time to switch to Moore if you want better oddsBacked him to score today
Yeah and that's BobbyThere’s still time to switch to Moore if you want better odds
Been drinking?Backed him to score today
Been drinking?
Did you eavesdrop on MR's pre-match teamtalk?Only fruit shoots
Outplayed like the home game vs Swansea in which he did play. What does this prove? We’ve created more this game than that one as well.
I hope O’Hare is out for a good 4-5 weeks now so we can have a run of games without him.
We could have scored 2 or 3 this game and they’ve had 3 chances and scored. It’s not been a good performance by any stretch of the imagination, but I think you’re forgetting how much we were outclassed in the home game.This is much worse than the home game. Much worse.
We could have scored 2 or 3 this game and they’ve had 3 chances and scored. It’s not been a good performance by any stretch of the imagination, but I think you’re forgetting how much we were outclassed in the home game.
So you forgive our other players for missing chances? That's good. You're on the right path...
What? Where have I forgiven anyone?So you forgive our other players for missing chances? That's good. You're on the right path...
What? Where have I forgiven anyone?
I’m responding to you comparing the two performances. We’ve created a hell of a lot more in this game than the home game.
What? Where have I forgiven anyone?
I’m responding to you comparing the two performances. We’ve created a hell of a lot more in this game than the home game.
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