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hill83 said:
The thing is I'd rather know the price, but let's not pretend it's only the work of Sisu.
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Quite.

When they started doing it I thought it... odd, but then it does seem everybody does it!

FWIW having had a chat with a leading PR agent for various Prem footballers, he said even when disclosed, the figures were often massaged one way or another anyway, depending on if they had to sweeten the blow or let their fans think they'd shown ambition, etc!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Quite.

When they started doing it I thought it... odd, but then it does seem everybody does it!

FWIW having had a chat with a leading PR agent for various Prem footballers, he said even when disclosed, the figures were often massaged one way or another anyway, depending on if they had to sweeten the blow or let their fans think they'd shown ambition, etc!
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Of course, except in very high profile transfers (Ronaldo to Madrid being one), and even then the figure is virtually never paid all up front.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Of course, except in very high profile transfers (Ronaldo to Madrid being one), and even then the figure is virtually never paid all up front.
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It's the high profile transfers that are exaggerated most, apparently!

Only comes out in accounts what the 'true' figures are, and even then it's often packaged as a collective so is harder to work out what's what.

On a slightly tangential level, a certain world famous footballer apparently always had his endorsements pumped up hugely. Looked good for the companies that they were willing to spend that much, helped the player when it came to negotiating his next endorsements elsewhere.
 
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rondog1973

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Nonetheless, I still think it's a practice SISU have engaged in to blatantly conceal what's been received/outlayed. Still think the other aspects to my original argument hold plenty of water too.

Anyways, off to bed....
 
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georgehudson

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whatever your views are,
i'd bet that sisu have zero interest to make CCFC anything more than a vehicle for them to manipulate their finances,
frankly, imho, they have proven to be totally unsuitable owners,
so, step forward FL, & actually prove that you have BALLS,
THEY ARE A HEDGE FUND,
FFS, if you've got any doubts,
then google what hedge funds do,
sisu, for once in your existence, please give OUR CITY a chance to be happy
 
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Deleted member 5849 said:
It's the high profile transfers that are exaggerated most, apparently!

Only comes out in accounts what the 'true' figures are, and even then it's often packaged as a collective so is harder to work out what's what.

On a slightly tangential level, a certain world famous footballer apparently always had his endorsements pumped up hugely. Looked good for the companies that they were willing to spend that much, helped the player when it came to negotiating his next endorsements elsewhere.
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Cristiano's sale was one of the few which was about as straightforward as it gets-£80m straight into United's bank account!
 
lordsummerisle

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georgehudson said:
whatever your views are,
i'd bet that sisu have zero interest to make CCFC anything more than a vehicle for them to manipulate their finances,
frankly, imho, they have proven to be totally unsuitable owners,
so, step forward FL, & actually prove that you have BALLS,
THEY ARE A HEDGE FUND,
FFS, if you've got any doubts,
then google what hedge funds do,
sisu, for once in your existence, please give OUR CITY a chance to be happy
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Ginetta will be along soon to tell you off.
 
Sky Blue Kid

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@summerisle......It seems that other posters aren't the only ones to turn a "Blind Eye" to certain points eh? What you've neglected to say is...It was recommended that the Academy be closed for the "Medium Term" because SISU did not have the Infrastructure or security measures to protect Families/players/equiptment from Vandalism and threats. It also states that it will be looked at again when such measures can be implemented!....So when all said and done...It wasn't being closed "Just for the sake of it"
 
lordsummerisle

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Sky Blue Kid said:
@summerisle......It seems that other posters aren't the only ones to turn a "Blind Eye" to certain points eh? What you've neglected to say is...It was recommended that the Academy be closed for the "Medium Term" because SISU did not have the Infrastructure or security measures to protect Families/players/equiptment from Vandalism and threats. It also states that it will be looked at again when such measures can be implemented!....So when all said and done...It wasn't being closed "Just for the sake of it"
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It was being closed to save money, and using Higgs, not Sisu's alleged inability to protect equipment etc from vandalism.

How long is a medium term? What would you say would be acceptable? 3-5 years say?

Expect you'll be trooping off to Sixfields then on Sunday?
 
Sky Blue Kid

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@summerisle....It states in black and white that "SISU did not have the infrastructure or security measures to protect Families/players/equiptment from Vandalism and threats."....And NO I will not be going to Sixfields or any other ground to watch CCFC until SISU have gone! Ranson wasn't Mr perfect, but the two things I genuinely think he wanted, was CCFC in the Premiership, and SISU to buy decent players to make this possible. We all know that his hands were tied by Igwe, who had the power of Veto at board meetings, and the proof is in the lack of investment.
 
Grendel

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Sky Blue Kid said:
@summerisle....It states in black and white that "SISU did not have the infrastructure or security measures to protect Families/players/equiptment from Vandalism and threats."....And NO I will not be going to Sixfields or any other ground to watch CCFC until SISU have gone! Ranson wasn't Mr perfect, but the two things I genuinely think he wanted, was CCFC in the Premiership, and SISU to buy decent players to make this possible. We all know that his hands were tied by Igwe, who had the power of Veto at board meetings, and the proof is in the lack of investment.
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I can't believe you are do gullible.

On Westwood he claims not be offered a contract when clearly he had. Well ranson said he had do in that instance he's telling lies. He ended up at a premier league club where he wages would be astronomic to a championship club offer. It's nonsense to suggest the club was ever going to persuade him to resign.

Ranson tried to sell him in January.

Whenever cold callers telephone you with good news on how to reduce loans do you just believe as they said so?
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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Grenduffy says........."On Westwood he claims not be offered a contract when clearly he had."...........................................Another of your "Estimated Facts" again eh ? ........................Research Grenduffy, Westwood said in the Telegraph, "I want to renew my contract" but nobody listened to him for months after that! Have a guess what I've just found????????.................................................................. brinner User Image 1413 posts First used 11/06/13 #60 31/08/2010 at 04:33 Westwood wanted to sign a new deal over a year ago, the club do nothing about this, it gets to the end of last season and Westy is speaking about a new deal, the club do nothing about this, Gets to August and the club begin to shit it as they thought another side would have been in by now with a £3-4 million plus offer for him but theres no intrest so they decide they better offer him a contract at long last or they risk losing him for nothing at the end of the season, by now Westy is pissed off with it all has seen no investment in the side yet again over the summer so has started to have second thoughts about staying and is now stalling on signing. Cant really blame him for that can you. You would have thought the club would have learned their lesson by now after this exact thing happend with Tabb last season..............................................................This is from a poster on another forum saying EXACTLY what I've always said. This isn't a "Estimated Fact" which is what you usually deal in Grenduffy.
 
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Sky Blue Kid said:
@summerisle....It states in black and white that "SISU did not have the infrastructure or security measures to protect Families/players/equiptment from Vandalism and threats."....And NO I will not be going to Sixfields or any other ground to watch CCFC until SISU have gone! Ranson wasn't Mr perfect, but the two things I genuinely think he wanted, was CCFC in the Premiership, and SISU to buy decent players to make this possible. We all know that his hands were tied by Igwe, who had the power of Veto at board meetings, and the proof is in the lack of investment.
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If youth players were being threatened or the academy facilities vandalised, we should have called in the police, plain and simple. Closing down the academy was a ridiculous suggestion for an alternative with no consideration of the long term implications.
 
fernandopartridge

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Sky Blue Kid said:
Westwood wanted a extention to his contract but Boothroyd and SISU had no intentions of doing so. Turner was massively undersold(Worth at least £2.5-£3m) The only image SISU had was to cut the wage bill, and nothing more. They thought it was a "Given" for promotion to the Premier league and the land of "Milk and Honey" How wrong were they?
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I stopped reading after your valuation of Ben Turner.
 
Sky Blue Kid

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By Coventry Telegraph Comments Banter: Time for Sisu to wise up - starting with Ben Turner deal 30 Aug 2011 10:13 IF SISU are to keep control of Coventry City, they really must start looking after the club in a responsible way. Share on print Share on email IF SISU are to keep control of Coventry City, they really must start looking after the club in a responsible way. Believe what you will about the reason for the collapse of Gary Hoffman's takeover, Sisu clearly are not going to make any deal a straight forward affair. And quite right too, these things take time and care, but Ken Dulieu's name-dropping of Ken Bruce at the weekend did not seem a mere slip of the tongue. Hoffman's investors have fled like scared rabbits at the thought of having the spotlight shone and them, leaving Hoffman looking isolated and silly. A shame for Hoffman, who no doubt put a lot of effort into the deal, but whether it's a shame for the club in the long term remains to be seen. So, for the time being, we're stuck with Sisu. But if you thought Sisu were serious about running Coventry City, wait until you hear what they're reportedly about to do: They're going to sell Ben Turner (last year's best defender in the division and City's best player overall) for £750,000 plus Cardiff's Jon Parkin (valued at £100,000). That, if it were true, would be the worst piece of business this football club has ever done. Is Turner near the end of his contract? No. Is Parkin a player that we need? No. Is £850,000 a fair valuation of Ben Turner? Not even close. .................................................Not my words. This is CET words.
 
Sky Blue Kid

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Grenduffy says................"Whenever cold callers telephone you with good news on how to reduce loans do you just believe as they said so?">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I say. Do we all believe you with your "Estimated Facts" because YOU say they are facts?....I don't think so!
 
fernandopartridge

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Sky Blue Kid said:
By Coventry Telegraph Comments Banter: Time for Sisu to wise up - starting with Ben Turner deal 30 Aug 2011 10:13 IF SISU are to keep control of Coventry City, they really must start looking after the club in a responsible way. Share on print Share on email IF SISU are to keep control of Coventry City, they really must start looking after the club in a responsible way. Believe what you will about the reason for the collapse of Gary Hoffman's takeover, Sisu clearly are not going to make any deal a straight forward affair. And quite right too, these things take time and care, but Ken Dulieu's name-dropping of Ken Bruce at the weekend did not seem a mere slip of the tongue. Hoffman's investors have fled like scared rabbits at the thought of having the spotlight shone and them, leaving Hoffman looking isolated and silly. A shame for Hoffman, who no doubt put a lot of effort into the deal, but whether it's a shame for the club in the long term remains to be seen. So, for the time being, we're stuck with Sisu. But if you thought Sisu were serious about running Coventry City, wait until you hear what they're reportedly about to do: They're going to sell Ben Turner (last year's best defender in the division and City's best player overall) for £750,000 plus Cardiff's Jon Parkin (valued at £100,000). That, if it were true, would be the worst piece of business this football club has ever done. Is Turner near the end of his contract? No. Is Parkin a player that we need? No. Is £850,000 a fair valuation of Ben Turner? Not even close. .................................................Not my words. This is CET words.
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You absolute crank. It's the words of a blogger that was published on CET.

Incidentally, are the CET now in the footballer valuation game?

The 'best defender in the division' of the previous season, despite being injured at the beginning of November 2010 and not returning until the next season.

CRANK.
 
Grendel

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Sky Blue Kid said:
Grenduffy says........."On Westwood he claims not be offered a contract when clearly he had."...........................................Another of your "Estimated Facts" again eh ? ........................Research Grenduffy, Westwood said in the Telegraph, "I want to renew my contract" but nobody listened to him for months after that! Have a guess what I've just found????????.................................................................. brinner User Image 1413 posts First used 11/06/13 #60 31/08/2010 at 04:33 Westwood wanted to sign a new deal over a year ago, the club do nothing about this, it gets to the end of last season and Westy is speaking about a new deal, the club do nothing about this, Gets to August and the club begin to shit it as they thought another side would have been in by now with a £3-4 million plus offer for him but theres no intrest so they decide they better offer him a contract at long last or they risk losing him for nothing at the end of the season, by now Westy is pissed off with it all has seen no investment in the side yet again over the summer so has started to have second thoughts about staying and is now stalling on signing. Cant really blame him for that can you. You would have thought the club would have learned their lesson by now after this exact thing happend with Tabb last season..............................................................This is from a poster on another forum saying EXACTLY what I've always said. This isn't a "Estimated Fact" which is what you usually deal in Grenduffy.
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So Brinner is your source? Who next for a source, the barmaid down your local? It hardly proves anything other than my original point. You believe anything people say.
 
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Hugh Jarse

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Sky Blue Kid said:
Grenduffy says................"Whenever cold callers telephone you with good news on how to reduce loans do you just believe as they said so?">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I say. Do we all believe you with your "Estimated Facts" because YOU say they are facts?....I don't think so!
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For gods sake man, stop saying so and so says USE QUOTES!
 
Grendel

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Hugh Jarse

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Sky Blue Kid said:
I click on Reply With Quote, and all I get is the circle going round,and,round,and....well you get what I mean!
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Ok, Just highlight the text you want to quote and select the Wrap quote icon (it's the one on the far right of the bar looks like an oblong speech quote) and Bob is your Uncle and Fernando is your Partridge.

Good luck
 
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