Astute
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Do you mean get rid of Labovitch and Fisher?
Only one thing is stopping us playing at the Ricoh - Joy Seppala (1 Viewer)
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Do you mean get rid of Labovitch and Fisher?
RoboCCFC90
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I am not sure that will help Astute..
We all know that Tim Fisher and Mark Labovitch are running this Club on behalf of Joy Seppala..
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Astute
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I wasn't sure what Torch meant by getting the 'tools' out
Getting rid of at least one of them and making them the fall guy might be the way of her saving face
The Gentleman
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That still wouldn't help match day revenues because that bar was in the Wheatsheaf!
The Gentleman
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If a football team is not doing well the manager gets the sack, so if the football club isn't doing well why can't Fisher or Labovitch get the bullet?
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Said it before, will say it again.
Personalising it don't always help. Am sure Fisher would happily fall on his sword as a negotiating tactic if needs be, but having a new face, and everyone saying how much better he/she is than the old one ain't so useful if behind it all is the same organisation pursuing the same philosophy.
See years of the new brooms of McGinnity and Robinson for example!
If only Robinson had bogged off with Richardson...
The Gentleman
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So you would rather have McGinnity, Robinson and Richardson still here then?
Fisher would be significant as he's the Architect for the Strategy.
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I'd have rather it be recognised they were all responsible for the chronic mismanagement, and the only way past that was for them all to front up to that.
Of course that never happens. Far easier to have a new broom that's not a new broom and blame the past on individuals - SISU do that, incidentally, with the sadly departed Mr. Igwe...
What if.....
Management buyout. Fisher gets new investors and buys out JS for a couple of million.... Main problem is not TF - he agreed HOT only to be overriden by Joy. Joy doesn't negotiate - Tim might.
Tim blames everything on Joy - e.g. "Joy is bonkers" - then brings CCFC back to the Ricoh in the spirit of "healing and reconciliation". Rehabilitated at a stroke.
That gets rid of Joy and following that, ML ( cannot seewhat ML does, apart from making annoying snide comments and wearing different hats when it suits ).
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If ownership of the club ever changes hands, it's best all who've had any involvement at boardroom level at the club since Richardson days keep a wide berth.
That includes Fisher, undoubtedly!
Pragmatically SISU are owners, so have to be dealt with. If ever there comes a time when it looks like they will no longer be owners, I want no echoes of the past whatsoever!
And that's despite the fact that, away from the obvious(!) Fisher does seem more competent than most of the madmen we've had through the door. He, along with everyone else however, has blown his chance to be associated with a new dawn; the best he can hope for is rehabilitation to a degree in the current sunset.
I do have a certain sympathy with the thought that with different owners, different characters could be more effective but... their judgement in getting involved in the first place is enough to discredit future involvement in different regimes!
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The Gentleman
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It never happens anywhere. Christ, how many on this forum admit when they are wrong. So people in lofty positions of power with big egos are even less likely to admit to their mistakes and leave it at that.
WiganSkyBlue
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Is he dead then ? :thinking about:
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Dead to the club.
I agree that Fisher is the best of a bad bunch. Had the 400,000 interim deal as per HOT ( agreed by Tim ) gone through, we may be still in negotiations whilst playing in Cov. If Joy had not tried to force down the Higgs' price and the YB loan buy-out down to the ridiculous, Tim's road map may have had a chance. Had Joy not said unencumbered freehold on my terms, or else. CCC may have not have been so hostile.
I see Joy's hard ball tactics as a bigger problem than Fischerisms ( e.g. 3 weeks, 3000 regulars at Sixfields, 7000 if city doing well ).
She is using the tactics for dealing with medium sized businesses in trouble, instead of appreciating the emotions connected with a football club and the resources of a 300,000 population city - as well as the duties the council has to it's citizens.
She has seriously miscalculated and should cut her losses and go.
I see Joy's hard ball tactics as a bigger problem than Fischerisms ( e.g. 3 weeks, 3000 regulars at Sixfields, 7000 if city doing well ).
She is using the tactics for dealing with medium sized businesses in trouble, instead of appreciating the emotions connected with a football club and the resources of a 300,000 population city - as well as the duties the council has to it's citizens.
She has seriously miscalculated and should cut her losses and go.
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I agree, but that's where just removing Fisher, pleading mistakes of previous regimes and continuing as if nothing happened doesn't really wash.
Of course the diplomatic maneuvre, and last negotiating hand probably is a prisoner exchange, with Fisher disappearing... but that'd be because it suited negotiations rather than any epiphany from the owners.
The Gentleman
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I don't see Fisher as the best of a bad bunch. I think he is part of the bad bunch and cut from the same cloth. Sisu is not a big organisation and he is very high up the food chain so to say it was all Joy's doing without his knowledge in the first place to me doesn't sound right.
For all we know he could have known and they were playing good cop bad cop. All part of the Sisu strategy which no-one outside of Sisu HQ knows (and to be honest I don't think they have a fooking clue either).
It just strikes me that this continual shifting of blame around their organisation is a good smokescreen for them to keep deflecting. Might be why we haven't seen or heard from Fisher for a while and now he pops up and Labovitch steps back a little because he now has the batten for a bit.
I think that Fisher is an "architect" of plans to rescue SISU - including "lose the golden share, find the golden share".
Whilst I think that was bordering on illegality and the wrong way to go about things, he did break the long term expensive rental/ licence agreement and open up the possibility of negotiations. ACL then had to make more "final offers". ACL have also since been forced into cutting costs and looking for new business - something they should have being doing anyway. Long term that is of benefit to ACL themselves.
If we are to go forward, we need someone who knows the ins and outs of the problems at CCFC. We have to lose SISU, but a property speculator or suchlike won't be any better than SISU. I think a rehabilitated Tim would be preferable, at least in the short term.
I would take the "devil you know" any day over some speculator.
I prefer Fisher to e.g. Igwe, Brody, Dulux, Robinson, McGinnity, Joy, and Mark Labovitch. To be fair the competition is not great though.
Whilst I think that was bordering on illegality and the wrong way to go about things, he did break the long term expensive rental/ licence agreement and open up the possibility of negotiations. ACL then had to make more "final offers". ACL have also since been forced into cutting costs and looking for new business - something they should have being doing anyway. Long term that is of benefit to ACL themselves.
If we are to go forward, we need someone who knows the ins and outs of the problems at CCFC. We have to lose SISU, but a property speculator or suchlike won't be any better than SISU. I think a rehabilitated Tim would be preferable, at least in the short term.
I would take the "devil you know" any day over some speculator.
I prefer Fisher to e.g. Igwe, Brody, Dulux, Robinson, McGinnity, Joy, and Mark Labovitch. To be fair the competition is not great though.
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There must be options out there however, who aren't property developer, aren't financial insitutions, and aren't failures of the past.
Perhaps in a twist Fisher and Hoffman should team up, a bit like Godzilla, Mothra and co.
Perhaps in a twist Fisher and Hoffman should team up, a bit like Godzilla, Mothra and co.
RoboCCFC90
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It's completely different, The Manager for instance picks the players, requests new players to be brought in, creates the tactics, chooses the style of play, etc.
All Tim Fisher is doing is acting under Joy Seppala's instruction, as Astute said, if we wanted a fall guy you could get rid of Fisher, but that doesn't solve the issue.
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Hobo
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Exactly, people are judged on the remit they are set within the work place.
Hobo
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I don't think Joy cares about those points.