fernandopartridge
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Go and have a look at a few planning apps and have a look at the tone of planning officers' emails to applicants. Can't remember ever seeing anything as fluffy as the one to Wasps' advisors.
OPINION: SAVE OUR CITY: Flaws in council support for Wasps move into CCFC academy (4 Viewers)
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singers_pore
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Yes, Reid is an amazing journalist. That is so obvious. When he left the CT he was immediately courted by all the national newspapers, The Times, Telegraph, Guardian among many others. But Reid is a man of supreme modesty. That's why Reid turned them down and chose to write for the dog shit free paper known as the Coventry Observer. LOL.
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Why do I waste so much of my life reading this drivel?
You can always rely on 'journalist of the known universe'
Les 'youcouldntmakeitup-ButIwill' Reid to pack his even handed, well reasoned argument with lots of facts and referenced sources.
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You can always rely on 'journalist of the known universe'
Les 'youcouldntmakeitup-ButIwill' Reid to pack his even handed, well reasoned argument with lots of facts and referenced sources.
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Ian1779
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I assume you prefer the CET with their spurious headlines that don't remotely reflect the information in the accompanying article- never mind the actual facts. Oh and the '5 things we learnt.....' fact finders they like to roll out.
Funny how we've never seen a '5 ways that Wasps are fucking CCFC over'
Captain Dart
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Reid makes great play of 'secret talks starting Oct 2015' in his FOI, but the Coventry Telegraph broke the story in Nov 2015, 'amazing journo' Les Reid missed that boat.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/wasps-rfc-talks-redevelop-site-10503023
The arguments about the Green belt are good though, there is definitely an attempt to ignore the original justification.
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Nick
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I haven't seen a well reasoned post from you interestingly enough. Why not put an argument against it?
Ranjit Bhurpa
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And it could be argued the the City has hosted 4 top class clubs covering Football, Rugby, Speedway and Ice Hockey, all co-existing and seemingly supportive of each other.
What has changed and what or who is the catalyst for change? And if the local authority is so insistent on Coventry as a City of Rugby, wouldn't you have thought their primary allegiance should be to the club that bears the City name and not the franchise operation?
italiahorse
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This thread just sums up the attitude of Sisu.
We can't/won't do it so nobody should do it.
There is room for both in Coventry but CCFC management need to be more proactive. Wasps are going nowhere so people/Sisu need to understand this and concentrate on how CCFC can survive 'with' them rather than moan about it and play victim.
We can't/won't do it so nobody should do it.
There is room for both in Coventry but CCFC management need to be more proactive. Wasps are going nowhere so people/Sisu need to understand this and concentrate on how CCFC can survive 'with' them rather than moan about it and play victim.
Calista
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Yes NW, I was aware of CRFC when I wrote that.
The problem in Coventry is that its two main clubs (football and rugby) have displayed a spectacular lack of success or business acumen for many decades. Take away the 87 cup win (please don’t!), and you have 40 years of bleak nothingness from both camps. The clubs have completely failed to attract the kind of investment and support that would reverse that. It’s chicken and egg, a classic downward spiral. It would have been absolutely brilliant if CCFC and CRFC had made a joint venture of playing at the Ricoh, but who in this city has had the kind of vision to make things like that happen?
Much is made of sporting tradition on here, and how Wasps have ruined it. I totally get that, because nobody is more into the tradition of CCFC than me, going back to the memories of Sky Blue glory in the 60s, and (even though I know little about Rugby) the great "Cov" teams of the 70s. But sadly when the tradition is one of utter failure (indeed embarrassing ineptitude) on and off the pitch, interest dwindles. In those circumstances, it’s no surprise to me that an ambitious franchise can walk in and get support. The 21st century is so different from the 1960s, and being a right old fogey I’d love to turn the clock back, but it’s impossible.
Warwickhunt
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If all the coventry people who go to the wasp's games had supported The coventry Rugby Club they would not be in the dire straights financially they are in now
Sky Blue Kid
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All this s**t and arguments of which I agree on both sides could have been curtailed with SISU buying into the Ricoh at the first opportunity, but, instead choosing to pass up the chance on the pretence of bouncing straight back into the Premier league. All the crap about blaming everyone and anyone except themselves washes extremely thin with me and thousands of others too. Hardball tactics do not make things any better. Good and bad on both sides only inflame the proceedings, and I really don't see any clear way out. 
Calista
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So true. But it’s hard to persuade the average man in the street to come and watch The Sound of Music on your 8mm projector, when Spectre is showing at the Imax. Not trying to be disrespectful to CRFC, just pointing out the commercial reality. I wish it was different.
The other commercial reality is that all the people sitting at home in Coventry watching the Premier League on Sky are contributing more to CCFC’s demise than any other single factor. That* is why I’ve never paid for football on my TV, and I’m sure that goes for everyone else on here too
*and being a skinflint
torchomatic
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I think Les makes some good points and he's also spot on with those on Social Media (and here) that will blame the Club at any costs. Italia, Captain Dart Brylowes, tim07, Orca, Armybike...there's a list of them who continually lay the blame at the door of CCFC whilst conveniently forgetting what other organisations have done to us.
Kurt Russell (I didn't think he escaped from New York) basically asking Wasps to come up with something to make it not seem so bad is breathtaking. The fact CCC can shaft it's incumbent club is also breathtaking. Is there another authority in the Country that would do this to its team? And, are there any fans in the country who would actually encourage it?
Kurt Russell (I didn't think he escaped from New York) basically asking Wasps to come up with something to make it not seem so bad is breathtaking. The fact CCC can shaft it's incumbent club is also breathtaking. Is there another authority in the Country that would do this to its team? And, are there any fans in the country who would actually encourage it?
It is very odd isn't it.
It's all very well saying the club should build their own facility - but the club cannot, they don't have the resources. Only SISU can do that, and they won't as we know. Yet for some the number one priority is to see SISU shafted which just adds another straw to the camel's back. Carry on like this and CCFC will just implode.
stupot07
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Sky Blue Kid
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That's because he had "Big trouble in little China"
Captain Dart
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The blame is on SISU not CCFC, they and the fans are victims, you don't see me attacking Venus or Mowbray (unlike Grendel), they're labouring under the conditions imposed upon them by the owners, they're not perfect but they're competent, which is something I do not think SISU are.
Bruce the Boot
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Sisu should do the honourable thing and move on then . Lack of vision is doing nothing for club.Its all a game to them .
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I, for one, don't want to see SISU shafted as the main priority. I want SISU to come up with the goods. Turn up at meetings- even if just to take away the arguments of others, or build a stadium, or show how the Butts could work, or sign a deal with Wasps, or build a category 2 training centre or anything at all that moves us forwards.
I think most people would prefer SISU saving the day, to constantly getting shafted in legal matters- although I am pleased that they do lose an some occasions, as I hope that will force them back to trying to find a way out for the club as opposed to maybe winning some money and possibly dropping the club.
And by salivating over the prospect of SISU being boxed into a corner, all you do is heap further misery on CCFC and the supporters, and you make their exit even less likely. They'd rather crash and burn than walk away and hand over the keys.
torchomatic
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Forgot to add you to my list. I'll edit my post when I get chance.
torchomatic
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And I also don't see you attacking CSF, Higgs, CCC, Wasps....
chiefdave
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Completely agree with this. You would like to think it isn't true but the longer this goes on the clearer it becomes that its not tin foil hat territory. CCC were involved in another court case recently that had some striking similarities to our situation.
That's the key, are other applicants being treated similarly and advised on managing their PR as Wasps are?
chiefdave
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That's the one.
If CCFC's owners continue to clash with Wasps this is all going to end in tears and not for the rugger buggers holding the whip handle either ! Thanks mainly to SISU, the club has never been so vulnerable to a combined squeeze on all fronts. We really will end up homeless at this rate and even if the team is playing on a park in Bedworth I'd wager a few quid that the hedge fund would carry on and conclude their fruitless court actions.
The council are culpable of late of trying to make things as difficult as possible but they are doing everything in line with the law as far as I can see so it's difficult to do anything other than moan. In another more vociferous and passionate City I wonder if the inhabitants might consider withholding council tax on mass and hit the bastards in the coffers ?!
The council are culpable of late of trying to make things as difficult as possible but they are doing everything in line with the law as far as I can see so it's difficult to do anything other than moan. In another more vociferous and passionate City I wonder if the inhabitants might consider withholding council tax on mass and hit the bastards in the coffers ?!
Nick
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Yeah, surprisingly not much media coverage.
Too many things seem to happen where it isn't just ccfc related, where they look the same.
Like that ethics committee where Reeves had been taking freebies, against the rules but they decided to change the rules instead
Grendel
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To be honest I don't see you ever mention anything football related.
Ranjit Bhurpa
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I would very much doubt it Chief, the 'partnership' between CCC and Wasps has a certain odour about it. Largely borne out of spite, vindictiveness and duplicity.
It makes me wonder if a team of like-minded oiks has been set up with the sole function of making life increasingly impossible for CCFC. "What can we come up with today chaps to really piss off everything and everyone associated with CCFC?"
No, I wouldn't read the CET either. Awful Wasps sponsored Birmingham rag that thinks Cov & Works sport is all about egg chasing and bowls.
But this isn't about CET v Observer.
Nor is it about CCFC v Wasps.
Nor about CCFC v CCC.
It's time for the SISU apologists took their heads out of their backsides. It's not for CCC, or Wasps, or Higgs charity, or CSF to secure an academy for CCFC.
It's for CCFC to invest in the facility, in order that CCFC can meet the criteria that secures funding to develop players...in order that the CCFC business thrives.
Why should a local authority or any other trading business do this for them?
While you're at it, ask yourself why CCFC aren't prepared to invest in delivering this model at Ryton, and I'll pretend I am also dumb enough not be able to work out that Ryton is to be sold to developers ?
It would be handy if say CCFCs newest director was also director of a company that builds houses, wouldn't it?...... Oh wait......
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But this isn't about CET v Observer.
Nor is it about CCFC v Wasps.
Nor about CCFC v CCC.
It's time for the SISU apologists took their heads out of their backsides. It's not for CCC, or Wasps, or Higgs charity, or CSF to secure an academy for CCFC.
It's for CCFC to invest in the facility, in order that CCFC can meet the criteria that secures funding to develop players...in order that the CCFC business thrives.
Why should a local authority or any other trading business do this for them?
While you're at it, ask yourself why CCFC aren't prepared to invest in delivering this model at Ryton, and I'll pretend I am also dumb enough not be able to work out that Ryton is to be sold to developers ?
It would be handy if say CCFCs newest director was also director of a company that builds houses, wouldn't it?...... Oh wait......
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Rusty Trombone
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I did as Fernando suggested earlier in the thread and read a few other mails that Kurt Russell had sent in respect of other people's applications. I'd say he treats others similarly, he is doing his job as one of many planning officers, he seems to want to give applicants the best chance they can of getting fair representation. I haven't seen where he has advised Wasps with their PR.
Hey, thanks for adding me to this list of sages.... Captain Dart, Armybike, Italia, Orca.....Venerable company indeed. I'll wear this badge with pride.
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stupot07
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Because the site is not big enough. Simples
You tell me how you get 3-4 outdoor grass pitches, an outdoor 3g pitch, an indoor 3g pitch, and all the other stuff (changing rooms, gym, canteen, classrooms, offices, medical rooms, etc,) required on the Ryton site...
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torchomatic
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Hey, thanks for adding me to this list of sages.... Captain Dart, Armybike, Italia, Orca.....Venerable company indeed. I'll wear this badge with pride.
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I had a different name in mind, but sages will do if you insist.