Our midfield - do we have problems? (1 Viewer)

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SkyBlue_Bear83

SkyBlue_Bear83

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CCFC54321 said:
The simple facts are a midfield of Eccles, sheaf and palmer is not going to get you into the top 6.

Palmer although probably the most technical player probably in the championship isn’t consistent enough or delivers enough. A nearly man. I like him but you won’t win anything with Palmer as he has no end product.

A holding midfield of Eccles and sheaf will give you one thing and a defensive structure and that’s it.

How many goals you going to get out of those three this season? 6,7 or 8? Not enough or good enough from three midfielders. That area needs revamping next and hope we can stay around the mix until January as I’m convinced it’ll be strengthened.
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Palmer the most technical player in the championship?

Where was his technique when he lashed the rebound 20 yards over the bar from the penalty? And that sort of finish is the norm from Palmer unfortunately
 
Grendel

Grendel

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The Philosopher said:
Not a freak season, a season where we had 2 Prem Level superstars all season and a boost of points when Cal played. Other than them, our team was average at best (sorry, true). Jamie Allen and Tavares coming back isn’t going to improve our team to top level.
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The same Jamie Allen who played 42 games last season?
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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clint van damme said:
Freak season my arse, what nonsense.
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Not nonsense at all. The quality was heavily lacking, Luton finished 3rd comfortably, we got 5th with 70 points which usually wouldn’t even get you in the playoffs. This season comparatively is very strong and we won’t get there with Allen and co starting games.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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skybluecam said:
Not nonsense at all. The quality was heavily lacking, Luton finished 3rd comfortably, we got 5th with 70 points which usually wouldn’t even get you in the playoffs. This season comparatively is very strong and we won’t get there with Allen and co starting games.
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Less points getting you into the top 6 could indicate the league was actually stronger!

As for lack of quality, look at the prices some of the players who played for top 6 teams have gone for recently.
Theres a trend on here that sees people trying to run down city's achievements to try and prove their point.
We even had people trying to run down the FA Cup win a few months ago to try and bolster their argument that Robins is a better manager than Sillett!
 
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CCFC54321

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SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Palmer the most technical player in the championship?

Where was his technique when he lashed the rebound 20 yards over the bar from the penalty? And that sort of finish is the norm from Palmer unfortunately
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He is a very technical player that opposition fans compliment on regularly.

However, no end product at all and yes I get the argument that if he did he wouldn’t be in the championship but with hamer gone we really do need him to contribute more.
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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clint van damme said:
Less points getting you into the top 6 could indicate the league was actually stronger!

As for lack of quality, look at the prices some of the players who played for top 6 teams have gone for recently.
Theres a trend on here that sees people trying to run down city's achievements to try and prove their point.
We even had people trying to run down the FA Cup win a few months ago to try and bolster their argument that Robins is a better manager than Sillett!
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Ok, let’s look at the performance of the promoted teams so far.

P10 W0 D1 L9 GF9 GA27

It’s an inarguable fact that last year was a weak league.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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skybluecam said:
Ok, let’s look at the performance of the promoted teams so far.

P10 W0 D1 L9 GF9 GA27

It’s an inarguable fact that last year was a weak league.
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That proves absolutely nothing, it could be the EPL is stronger.
It's very difficult to say whether a league is stronger or weaker from one season to another to be honest. And promoted teams doing poorly after playing 3 or 4 games each proves absolutely nothing.
According to many on here we blew our best chance of promotion in 21-22 because the league was weak that year and would be much stronger in 22-23!
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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clint van damme said:
That proves absolutely nothing, it could be the EPL is stronger.
It's very difficult to say whether a league is stronger or weaker from one season to another to be honest. And promoted teams doing poorly after playing 3 or 4 games each proves absolutely nothing.
According to many on here we blew our best chance of promotion in 21-22 because the league was weak that year and would be much stronger in 22-23!
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Not gonna argue any more, but it is fairly obvious last year's league was weak. And this years will be far stronger.
 
Matt smith

Matt smith

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CCFC54321 said:
The simple facts are a midfield of Eccles, sheaf and palmer is not going to get you into the top 6.

Palmer although probably the most technical player probably in the championship isn’t consistent enough or delivers enough. A nearly man. I like him but you won’t win anything with Palmer as he has no end product.

A holding midfield of Eccles and sheaf will give you one thing and a defensive structure and that’s it.

How many goals you going to get out of those three this season? 6,7 or 8? Not enough or good enough from three midfielders. That area needs revamping next and hope we can stay around the mix until January as I’m convinced it’ll be strengthened.
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You think we’ll strengthen in midfield in January?

lots of talk on here won’t be strengthening/replacing till the summer.

it still baffles me we didn’t have our ducks in a row and got someone over the line
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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There are some dickheads on here. "Why didn't we replace Hamer?".... simple answer... We couldn't afford to replace him. Hamer took 2 seasons to become the player he is. If it was up to the same people, he wouldn't have developed into the player he is.

We bring in a loan signing and he's not good enough...

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Matt smith

Matt smith

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SkyBlueMatt said:
There are some dickheads on here. "Why didn't we replace Hamer?".... simple answer... We couldn't afford to replace him. Hamer took 2 seasons to become the player he is. If it was up to the same people, he wouldn't have developed into the player he is.

We bring in a loan signing and he's not good enough...

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Do you think it’s good enough that we sold the best midfielder in the league and didn’t replace him?
 
Gibbo

Gibbo

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skybluecam said:
Not gonna argue any more, but it is fairly obvious last year's league was weak. And this years will be far stronger.
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Early results tend indicate that - new contenders in Hull, Birmingham, Preston and Ipswich. Promoted teams (Ipswich again) not dead cert relegation candidates. Covid induced financials have now run out. Money is talking again.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Gibbo said:
Early results tend indicate that - new contenders in Hull, Birmingham, Preston and Ipswich. Promoted teams (Ipswich again) not dead cert relegation candidates. Covid induced financials have now run out. Money is talking again.
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This early in the season the indicators mean nothing.
At this point last season we were bottom and Luton were 16th.
Burnley and Sheff utd were in the top 6 but none of the other 4 made the play offs.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Matt smith said:
Yeah fair comment. Hopefully we can manage until January

if sheaf gets injured we’re fucked
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We aren't.

He missed 10 games last season. We won 7 and drew 3 of them. Same like O'Hare, people said we would get relegated without him and in the end we were one Dabo away from promotion.

We've got some good players in the team but I don't believe any of them are as unexpendable or vital as say Gyökeres or Hamer at this point. If someone misses out our performance level shouldn't really drop.
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
We aren't.

He missed 10 games last season. We won 7 and drew 3 of them. Same like O'Hare, people said we would get relegated without him and in the end we were one Dabo away from promotion.

We've got some good players in the team but I don't believe any of them are as unexpendable or vital as say Gyökeres or Hamer at this point. If someone misses out our performance level shouldn't really drop.
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Last year we had Hamer. How many of those 10 games did he play?

An Eccles-Kelly midfield should terrify any sane fan.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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skybluecam said:
Last year we had Hamer. How many of those 10 games did he play?

An Eccles-Kelly midfield should terrify any sane fan.
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It is irrelevant. Up until yesterday Eccles has been our best midfielder this season. Kelly also has been written off a million times but was exceptional in the last few games of last season. Whilst he isn't the solution, it is another thing people seem to forget.

The point is we would survive without Sheaf, like we would with anyone else in the team because frankly we haven't got any stand out players at this current moment in time. Last season we actually exceled in his absence, and the results prove that. None of our midfielders are as good as Hamer and we should be looking to upgrade across the board if we really want to hit the next level.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is irrelevant. Up until yesterday Eccles has been our best midfielder this season. Kelly also has been written off a million times but was exceptional in the last few games of last season. Whilst he isn't the solution, it is another thing people seem to forget.

The point is we would survive without Sheaf, like we would with anyone else in the team because frankly we haven't got any stand out players at this current moment in time. Last season we actually exceled in his absence, and the results prove that. None of our midfielders are as good as Hamer and we should be looking to upgrade across the board if we really want to hit the next level.
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Sheaf is our best midfielder and has already shown that this season.
 
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croatskyblue

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skybluecam said:
Ok, let’s look at the performance of the promoted teams so far.

P10 W0 D1 L9 GF9 GA27

It’s an inarguable fact that last year was a weak league.
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Or the promoted teams had less money this year than, say, Forest who signed 20 plus players pre-season when they went up?
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Grendel said:
Sheaf is our best midfielder and has already shown that this season.
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Of course he has been, when you hate Eccles and Palmer as much as you do.

Across the first four games Eccles was slightly better. The reality is we need more quality in those positions regardless.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Of course he has been, when you hate Eccles and Palmer as much as you do.

Across the first four games Eccles was slightly better. The reality is we need more quality in those positions regardless.
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Hatred I think is really an emotion more attributed to you and the bizarre obsession with Dabo which is deeply disturbing
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is irrelevant. Up until yesterday Eccles has been our best midfielder this season. Kelly also has been written off a million times but was exceptional in the last few games of last season. Whilst he isn't the solution, it is another thing people seem to forget.

The point is we would survive without Sheaf, like we would with anyone else in the team because frankly we haven't got any stand out players at this current moment in time. Last season we actually exceled in his absence, and the results prove that. None of our midfielders are as good as Hamer and we should be looking to upgrade across the board if we really want to hit the next level.
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I do kind of see your point but we’re still pretty much hoping he avoids injury as otherwise that midfield is just too under strength.
 
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